SlugSh0t 12/8/2018 7:12:58 PM#51
Averia posted...
Exactly how bad is Sonic looking right now ?
Who is the weakest character he would lose to according to lolstats ?

its being overexaggerated. mm and crono would get slapped by zelda hard as well. so it depends on how you see say cloud vs zelda. i think she wins so sonic with that already> crono
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3834-varia-division-round-3-samus-aran-vs-sub-zero

That was a night match; figure Samus improves, I dunno, maybe a percent in full 24 hours.

Snake probably goes up from here thansk to Europe but what is Samus currently projected to get on Sub-Zero?
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Zelda – 50.00%
Solid Snake – 49.68%
Mario – 49.09%
Samus Aran – 47.70%
*Sonic the Hedgehog – 43.55%
Sonic the Hedgehog – 42.16%
Sephiroth – 40.01%
*Auron – 39.79%
Tifa Lockhart – 39.17%
Mega Man X – 39.04%
Auron – 38.52%
Luigi – 38.10%
Aerith Gainsborough – 37.81%
*Geralt – 37.29%
Squall Leonhart – 36.68%
*Bayonetta – 36.63%
Geralt – 36.10%
Fox McCloud – 35.77%
*Simon Belmont – 35.66%
Bayonetta – 35.46%
*Vincent Valentine – 35.17%
*Pac-Man – 35.12%
*Ryu Hayabusa – 35.09%
Simon Belmont – 34.52%
*Sub-Zero – 34.55%
Vincent Valentine – 34.05%
Pac-Man – 34.00%
Ryu Hayabusa – 33.97%
*Magus – 33.85%
Sub-Zero – 33.35%
Jill Valentine – 32.83%
Mewtwo – 32.83%
*Rosalina – 32.79%
Magus – 32.77%
Waluigi – 32.19%
Ryu – 31.80%
Rosalina – 31.75%
Amaterasu – 30.91%
Captain Toad – 30.26%
The Boss – 29.30%
Frog – 29.25%
Shovel Knight – 28.70%
Captain Falcon – 28.06%
Lara Croft – 27.87%
*Lucina – 27.50%
Lucina – 26.62%
Garrus Vakarian – 26.39%
*Riku – 26.08%
Ramza Beoulve – 26.06%
*Shulk – 25.79%
Metal Sonic – 25.48%
Riku – 25.25%
Shulk – 24.97%
Ezio Auditore da Firenze – 24.67%
Revolver Ocelot – 24.66%
GlaDOS – 24.63%
King Dedede – 24.42%
Albert Wesker – 23.78%
*Claire Redfield – 23.25%
Miles “Tails” Prower – 23.13%
Claire Redfield – 22.59%
Richter Belmont – 22.23%
KOS-MOS – 22.21%
*Joker/Ren Amamiya – 21.58%
Commander Shepard – 21.28%
Geno – 21.00%
Joker/Ren Amamiya – 20.89%
King K. Rool – 20.75%
Master Chief – 20.60%
D. Va – 20.37%
Ellie – 20.23%
*Sans – 20.11%
Lloyd Irving – 20.07%
Nathan Drake – 20.02%
Sans – 19.47%
Aloy – 19.18%
Aqua – 18.93%
Metal Man – 17.90%
Hat Kid – 17.69%
Miles Edgeworth – 17.17%
Isabelle – 15.11%
Monokuma – 13.82%
Quiet – 13.59%
Goro Majima – 12.76%
Draven – 7.33%

Based on Mario/Samus. Set based on Tifa/Seph next.
transience 12/8/2018 8:15:12 PM#55
whoa samus didn't slow down. heck yeah.

mario/samus rsff believe
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Plot twist: Sephiroth rSFFd Tifa
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Samus Aran – 50.00%
Zelda – 48.94%
Solid Snake – 48.63%
Mario – 48.05%
Sonic the Hedgehog – 42.63%
Tifa Lockhart – 41.07%
Mega Man X – 40.92%
Luigi – 39.95%
Sephiroth – 39.16%
Auron – 38.95%
Aerith Gainsborough – 37.01%
Geralt – 36.50%
Squall Leonhart – 35.90%
Bayonetta – 35.85%
Fox McCloud – 35.01%
Simon Belmont – 34.90%
Mewtwo – 34.42%
Vincent Valentine – 34.42%
Pac-Man – 34.38%
Ryu Hayabusa – 34.35%
Sub-Zero – 33.82%
Magus – 33.13%
Jill Valentine – 32.13%
Rosalina – 32.09%
Waluigi – 31.51%
Ryu – 31.13%
Frog – 30.66%
Amaterasu – 30.25%
Captain Toad – 29.62%
The Boss – 28.68%
Shovel Knight – 28.09%
Captain Falcon – 27.47%
Lara Croft – 27.28%
Lucina – 26.92%
Revolver Ocelot – 25.86%
Garrus Vakarian – 25.83%
GlaDOS – 25.82%
King Dedede – 25.60%
Riku – 25.53%
Ramza Beoulve – 25.51%
Shulk – 25.24%
Metal Sonic – 24.94%
Miles “Tails” Prower – 24.25%
Ezio Auditore da Firenze – 24.15%
Albert Wesker – 23.28%
Claire Redfield – 22.76%
Geno – 22.02%
Richter Belmont – 21.76%
KOS-MOS – 21.74%
Master Chief – 21.59%
Joker/Ren Amamiya – 21.12%
Nathan Drake – 20.99%
Commander Shepard – 20.82%
King K. Rool – 20.31%
D. Va – 19.94%
Ellie – 19.81%
Sans – 19.68%
Lloyd Irving – 19.64%
Aloy – 18.77%
Aqua – 18.53%
Miles Edgeworth – 18.01%
Metal Man – 17.52%
Hat Kid – 17.31%
Isabelle – 15.84%
Monokuma – 14.49%
Goro Majima – 13.38%
Quiet – 13.30%
Draven – 7.18%

two numbers on there just make you go "hmm"
Crono’s looking pretty dead here to me
transience 12/8/2018 9:00:39 PM#59
yes he is. he might win the overnight but it might not matter much.

I'm like Slowflake with trying to predict where the vote's going to go after the first few minutes lately
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i am a big fan of metal sonic > tails and simon > vincent personally
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
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wait simon > vincent is completely independent of anything else

that's even better
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red sox 777 12/8/2018 9:14:06 PM#62
Crono needs to get moving, like now. Unless he's still good for a 300 vote rally in the last hour like he was before.
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transience 12/8/2018 11:21:57 PM#64
transience posted...
yes he is. he might win the overnight but it might not matter much.

I'm like Slowflake with trying to predict where the vote's going to go after the first few minutes lately


I have got to stop doing this
xyzzy
So here's a question - at what point do we think that Samus overperforming here? Because I kind of doubt that Tifa almost beats Snake.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
I dunno, it’s hard to say - strength has clearly not been transitive from match to match in this legend bracket, I’m I’m kinda at the point where I say just throw it all out.

Also hopefully Crono can bury Mega Man overnight so I don’t have to do two writeups for the first match tomorrow.
Not transitive except when rematches happen, apparently!
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
squexa 12/9/2018 12:28:52 AM#68
KamikazePotato posted...
So here's a question - at what point do we think that Samus overperforming here? Because I kind of doubt that Tifa almost beats Snake.


My guess is that ZSS is much stronger than Samus. If we can get a ZSS vs Mario rematch, we should hopefully be able to measure how much stronger ZSS is.
congrats to BKSheikah the BYIG guru
Samus has a very good reason to improve her performance against Mario in the rematch. The first match had sprite pictures. While the sprite for Samus is certainly recognizable for sure, Mario is perhaps the king of sprites by having the most iconic sprites in video games. Even without ZSS, I think Samus should look better in the rematch.
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looks like crono couldn’t even be bothered to take the lead huh

oh well
squexa 12/9/2018 10:07:04 AM#71
LusterSoldier posted...
Samus has a very good reason to improve her performance against Mario in the rematch. The first match had sprite pictures. While the sprite for Samus is certainly recognizable for sure, Mario is perhaps the king of sprites by having the most iconic sprites in video games. Even without ZSS, I think Samus should look better in the rematch.


We'll have to see. I suspect people treat ZSS and Samus as separate characters in the same way that they treat Zelda and Sheik as separate characters and if ZSS = Samus, it means that Snake is almost on par with Tifa and Sonic has fallen way below Luigi, both of which seems odd.

Either way, this ZSS performance seems like a Link lite beating and it's not entirely clear whether Snake is weaker than Cloud. If ZSS goes on a bandwagon run tearing through losers and SFFs Zelda hard, she can put the fear of god into Link.
congrats to BKSheikah the BYIG guru
A little above Tifa is better than Snake looked last time he faced Samus 1v1!
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transience 12/9/2018 12:36:10 PM#73
argh there goes my pick

every close one has gone against me this year, it feels like
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Lopen 12/9/2018 12:48:51 PM#75
transience posted...
every close one has gone against me this year, it feels like


Welcome to my world (as to be expected considering you're the crew member I've been agreeing with most this year)
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Mega Man did poorly against Pikachu in this timeframe. He rebounded in the last two hours so I wouldn't call this match over just yet.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Lopen 12/9/2018 1:09:05 PM#77
Lopen's unofficial analysisx2

Cloud vs Winner
Winner may as well be called loser because neither of these guys have a chance as neither made a statement against the other. I suppose Mega Man has a slightly better chance on the off chance that Crono was SFFed by Cloud, but I'm not convinced that actually is a thing that happens based on previous matches involving CT/FF guys.

Cloud with 56.12%

Samus vs Mario
With Smash hype at an all time high, and Samus now 0-2 against Mario (I'm pretty sure this is at least partially why Crono/Mario 04 was not close at all), it's time for the Samus miracle run to begin, and in convincing fashion. I think Samus is going to go big on the swing as she's basically got every intangible in her corner. Mario's got negative momentum from losing to Zelda, Mario is way less the favorite in Smash, and people remember past results and want Samus to win at this point.

As the board's foremost expert on Mario vs Samus matches, having called both percentages within 1.5%, when both were WACKY RESULTS, you can trust me on this one. You will not be disappointed!

Samus Aran with 55.89%
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Master Moltar 12/9/2018 3:32:05 PM#78
Losers Bracket: Round 4 – Cloud Strife vs Mega Man/Crono

Monika’s Analysis

Cloud
Legends Round 1 - 60.40% vs. Alucard
Legends Round 2 - 56.73% vs. Crono
Legends Round 3 - 39.48% vs. Link

Mega Man
Legends Round 1 - 49.89% vs. Pikachu
Losers Round 1 - 60.03% vs. Ganondorf
Losers Round 2 - 50.67% vs. Pikachu
Losers Round 3 - 50.00% vs. Crono

Crono
Legends Round 1 - 54.88% vs. Bowser
Legends Round 2 - 43.27% vs. Cloud Strife
Losers Round 2 - 54.75% vs. Bowser
Losers Round 3 - 50.00% vs. Mega Man

MM/Crono might be too close to call right now, but neither of them are on the level of Cloud. Cloud had no problem with Crono before, and if Mega Man is equal to him, then we should expect around the same number.

If Cloud did SFF Crono a little, then Mega Man is going to do a little bit better, but I also don’t think there was any significant SFF in that match. That means Cloud should have an easy time with whoever gets here.

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Monika’s Prediction of the Day: Cloud – 56%

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Master Moltar 12/9/2018 3:32:49 PM#79
Sayorience’s Analysis

I'm writing this at 10am EST where it looks like Mega Man might win? It really doesn't matter all that much though in terms of this match. We've already seen the Crono match and it'd be really surprising if Mega could close the gap all that much.

I do feel better about Mega Man facing Cloud than Crono, though. There's the real possibility that Cloud had some overlap with Crono, and it would really only go in Cloud's favor. The only major factor here is Smash coming out, and while both Cloud and Mega are in it, the people that it's bringing to the site are going to be largely NIntendo fans and that benefits Mega more than others. I'll throw two predictions out here just in case Crono makes a comeback.

Sayorience's predictions:

Cloud over Mega Man with 52.52%
Cloud over Crono with 57.56%


Leonhart’s Analysis

As I’m writing this, Mega Man and Crono are in a deadlock, so it’s hard to say which one of them is actually going to win this! Regardless, I don’t think it’ll end up mattering too much in terms of the outcome of this match. We’ve already seen Cloud easily dispatch Crono once during this phase of the contest, and unless there was some minor SFF there, the result should be the same (as we’ve seen in Crono/Bowser and Samus/Tifa) regardless of which one is here.

Leonhart’s Vote: Cloud Strife

Leonhart’s Prediction: Cloud Strife with 56.50%

Kleenex’s Analysis

I’m writing this assuming Mega Man holds on to his slim lead, and given the trends we’ve seen, he should. So how does Mega Man stack up against Cloud? Probably about the same as Crono. There was likely a little SFF happening in the Cloud/Crono match, so I can potentially see Mega Man holding up a little bit better, but it’s tough to see him bucking the trend and flipping what should be a 56/44 match. Even with Cloud looking completely pathetic against Link last round, he should be safe here. Next round is where he needs to worry.

(Also if by some miracle Crono is here, please download a browser extension to replace all instances of Mega Man with Crono)

Kleenex’s prediction: Cloud with 56%

Guest's Analysis - Hbthebattle

It’s pretty clear these guys are about equal, but we know how that ends already. If Mega Man is here, I think he’d get a little less SFF and do a little better, but neither can win.

Cloud over Crono with 55.45%

Cloud over MM with 53.67%

Crew Consensus: Cloud cuts down whoever gets here.
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Safer_777 12/9/2018 3:51:18 PM#80
I think the only other time that crew didn't know the winner of the match on t heir analysis was on the finals of the game of the decade and they went with that right?
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
Master Moltar 12/9/2018 4:30:27 PM#81
dont remember if that's the only other time but that was one case
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Master Moltar 12/9/2018 4:35:36 PM#82
Losers Bracket: Round 4 – Mario vs. Samus Aran

Monika’s Analysis

Mario
Legends Round 1 - 59.25% vs. Sephiroth
Legends Round 2 - 51.42% vs. Samus
Legends Round 3 - 49.09% vs. Zelda

Samus
Legends Round 1 - 58.93% vs. Tifa Lockheart
Legends Round 2 - 48.58% vs. Mario
Losers Round 2 - 58.58% vs. Tifa Lockheart
Losers Round 3 - 56.60% vs. Solid Snake

Samus did a lot better than her first showing against Mario. Since then, we’ve seen Mario lose to Zelda, and Samus destroy Snake who went even with Zelda. rsff finally confirmed we did it

In terms of the rematches, we haven’t seen a result flip by more than 1%. I think Samus does a little better this time, but once again the hierarchy (which is now L(ink)oZ(elda) > Mario > rest) keeps her from shattering the glass ceiling.

next contest tho samus > mario indirectly and directly we gonna get there

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Monika’s Prediction of the Day: Mario – 51%

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Master Moltar 12/9/2018 4:35:42 PM#83
transience’s Analysis

I need a real, honest to god reason to pick Samus over Mario. "Smash Bros" could maybe be it, but probably not? That's practically got Mario's name in the title. "Revenge votes" doesn't seem like a thing after Bowser, Pikachu, etc. Mega was a lot closer to Pikachu than Samus was.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but I don't go against the king without a reason. Zelda at least had her series in her corner. Samus is putting up a Mario-beating performance here, and I'd *love* to see Samus/Zelda, but I can't go all in. Samus needs to prove that she can beat the king who's whipped her for over a decade now.

transience's prediction: Mario with 50.84%

Leonhart’s Analysis

Samus keeps putting up impressive performances, and it keeps not mattering because she ends up getting thwarted by the hierarchy when she faces Mario. Could she actually run this back and beat Mario? At this point, Samus is probably our only hope for a semi-interesting final. Not to say she can beat Link, but we’ll have already seen Zelda lose to Link once and we’ve seen Mario get SFF’d by Link many times in the past. Plus, it seems like Samus is indirectly our #2 character at this point, and if she can resist getting smashed by Mario like she once did, maybe the same would be true if she faced Link. Do I think any of that will ACTUALLY happen? Probably not, but it’s pretty much all I’ve got left to root for this year, which is a sad commentary in and of itself…!

Leonhart’s Vote: Samus Aran

Leonhart’s Prediction: Mario with 51.75%

Kleenex’s Analysis

We just saw this a few days ago, and Samus got way closer than pretty much anyone expected. Part of me wants to say she could flip things here. Unfortunately, every rematch we’ve seen so far has told us that the results don’t change that much. Mega Man was the only one to reverse things so far, but his original match was close enough for variation to matter. I don’t think 52/48 is close enough, despite Samus killing Snake today, who went even with Zelda, who just beat Mario. Because, you know, stats. I do kinda hope my theory that ZSS is better than suited Samus these days is tested, because I think that’s the one thing that may give her a shot. Otherwise, expect about what we saw last time these two met.

Kleenex’s prediction: Mario with 51%

Guest’s Analysis - War

As I'm writing this I'm watching Snake do all he can to reach 44% against an opponent that he statistically should beat.

There is a reason this is happening.

No, it is not because the opponent he 'should' beat is actually a lot stronger than him. Even though this is true.

No, it is not because we've seen this before, right down to the hype being due to Sonic and Zelda matches. Even though this is also true.

It is because some princess decided to grab for the title of Queen.

Make no mistake, in these contests there is one Queen.

The Queen would not be jealous over King Harkinian playing badminton with another woman.

The Queen would not fear Ganon, a being so weak that he needs to disguise himself as Impa, and could be defeated by Bagu wielding a thing called the Handy Glove.

The Queen would definitely not go on a date to a bar, only for her man to get pissed off at a Daira spilling booze brewed by his parents.

A princess has reached for something far beyond her status, and there is a phrase appropriate for the occasion.

God Save The Queen.

And May Everyone Else Burn.

Samus with 54%

Crew Consensus: Mario does it again.
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I’ve been so busy I missed the entire crono mega man until 8 minutes before the end of the poll. Guess I missed another good one

Go my cloud
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transcience 12/9/2018 6:04:56 PM#85
what the heck is this
add the c and back away
iphonesience
So much for rematches producing identical results
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
five minutes down

please go up this update samus
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
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also i wish i screenshotted it but when i voted it was like 25-0 crono or something hilarious like that
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
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Mario probably takes the lead on the next update, but if Samus can hold the line during the Power Hour she's got a real chance
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Lopen 12/9/2018 6:10:59 PM#91
Bah Samus I have a streak here you're failing me!
No problem!
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aww well that was fun
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That strong board vote for Samus might have been from bracket voting. It's far more likely someone had Samus at this spot in their bracket, where as Mario probably wasn't in this spot on most people's brackets (they had Mario getting to Link in the Legends Final). So that made it easier for someone to vote for Samus this time.
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transcience 12/9/2018 6:39:09 PM#95
there’s not much left to cheer for this contest. I guess Cloud?
add the c and back away
iphonesience
paulg235 12/9/2018 6:42:16 PM#96
So is Zelda about to win the Loser's bracket and allow Link to SFF her twice to make her entire half of the bracket look like crap?

Could we seriously see Alucard>Snake in the unadjusted xstats?
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paulg235 12/9/2018 6:44:20 PM#98
transcience posted...
there’s not much left to cheer for this contest. I guess Cloud?

Cloud/Mario (or Cloud/Samus if she comes back) seems to be the only interesting match left to see if Cloud is still strong enough to beat the plumber.
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Calintares 12/9/2018 6:59:19 PM#99
it feels sad that Cloud never was able to get his revenge against Mario for that 2002 match, and now it's probably too late.

he would've done it in any other contest.
ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.
damn you hierarchy!!!!!
does anyone even read this

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