snake_5036 12/6/2018 5:20:23 PM#351
transience posted...
Link should definitely go close to 60 on Cloud but there's just something about the Link/Cloud matchup that makes me pause before going that high.

yeah, same

I'll believe Link can hit 58%+ on cloud when I see it. Link's had all the reasons to boost way ahead of Cloud in the past, yet Cloud still managed to keep Link under 55%
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transience posted...
Link should definitely go close to 60 on Cloud but there's just something about the Link/Cloud matchup that makes me pause before going that high.


Some of us thought Link would aim for mid to high 50s back in 2010 based on Cloud looking bad throughout the contest, but then Cloud manages to hold Link under 54% in the final.
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LusterSoldier posted...
transience posted...
Link should definitely go close to 60 on Cloud but there's just something about the Link/Cloud matchup that makes me pause before going that high.


Some of us thought Link would aim for mid to high 50s back in 2010 based on Cloud looking bad throughout the contest, but then Cloud manages to hold Link under 54% in the final.

That something was antivotes. People didn't want Link to win yet again.
paulg235 12/6/2018 5:51:30 PM#354
Last few days were busy for me. Sorry for the late showing, guys. Here's a quick write-up;

I think we can all agree Link's easily winning this match. He has beaten his performances on Cloud in each successive match they have had together. I don't think he'll goes as far as beat his 2011 performance (I blame that on bad contest), but it'll be between that and 2010. If he does, that really says a lot about the Square decline, and for good reason. That company stopped been on the downswing since the two Kingdom Hearts titles.

I'm actually don't think Cloud even beats Mario and Samus anymore, so it'll be interesting to see how he performs in the losers bracket.

Winner - Link - 56.73% (I just used my oracle here http://www.oraclechallenge.com/index.php?file=predictions&id=534)

EDIT: Should be "That company has been on the downswing..." and it should be "I" instead of "I'm" in the second paragraph.
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(edited 12/6/2018 5:53:23 PM)report
Link looked bad throughout the 2010 contest until he hit Nintendo-based competition. Then people wanted to use clear SFF matches to deny that Link was closer to the field in 2010 than he had been before.
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transience 12/6/2018 5:59:45 PM#356
I'm not sure that Cloud could beat Zelda, let alone Link
xyzzy
transience 12/6/2018 6:02:39 PM#357
there was a time when Cloud getting to 48% on Link in the opening 5 would be a huge huge deal

unfortunately this is 2018 Link
xyzzy
Yeah, Link HAS been getting weaker over the years. It just doesn't matter because there's still no one who can legitimately beat him.
That was a fun first minute.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
transience 12/6/2018 6:03:39 PM#360
everyone is getting weaker!
xyzzy
transience 12/6/2018 6:06:17 PM#362
don't do it, Link!
xyzzy
Lopen 12/6/2018 6:07:23 PM#363
transience posted...
everyone is getting weaker!


the planet's dyin, cloud
No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
Yeah, I'm really curious to see what kind of swing this next update has.

(watch nothing change)
redrocket 12/6/2018 6:10:55 PM#366
Beast of the Wild
It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest
Cloud's gonna be lucky to stay over 40 at the end...
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
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transience 12/6/2018 6:11:31 PM#368
man I was right, Cloud's early vote crushes Link's now
xyzzy
also for the record Sonic projects Snake to beat Zelda with 51.24%

runback time
LeonhartFour posted...
also for the record Sonic projects Snake to beat Zelda with 51.24%

runback time


Zelda had a sprite picture when she faced Sonic, and it appears that sprites hurt Zelda by about 1%.
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Link losing %

This is going to stay under 60% probably. I guess the "FF always wins" is voting now but it will normalize eventually.
good god

how did crono lose to this goober
there is a very real chance Mario (or Samus!) does better on Link directly than Cloud
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
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wait a second

Cloud’s in smash now...is he getting SFFed by Link!?!?
I can't believe my 59% was giving Cloud too much credit.
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
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yeesh. I’m not convinced that anyone can get 40% on Link anymore. maybe Snake?
add the c and back away
iphonesience
like, this honestly makes me question if mario and samus are really all that. zelda could be the #2 character.
add the c and back away
iphonesience
transcience posted...
like, this honestly makes me question if mario and samus are really all that. zelda could be the #2 character.


What do you think Cloud gets on Sephiroth nowadays?
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I think Zelda can be #2, but she already proved that on her own merits. This match doesn't change my opinion on that - I thought Zelda/Snake/Mario/Samus were a tossup before this already!
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
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transience 12/6/2018 7:32:35 PM#381
you could be right, but I never considered Zelda as an honest threat to Mario or Samus. hierarchy and all that. but if this site is just that crazy for Zelda, maybe!
xyzzy
Well, when I mean #2, I mean indirectly (for what that's worth these days when the entire top tier is Nintendo-related). Mario can very easily Hierarchy his way past Zelda even if he's weaker, but if he can't then it gets fuzzier. Zelda might be able to match what he did to Sephiroth.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
transience 12/6/2018 7:38:06 PM#383
eh, my take on this is if samus is #2 and mario #3 but mario out-hierarchies samus, then she's #3 because there's no one she can go over with that strength. same goes for zelda.
xyzzy
Well there does exist the possibility of something like Snake>Mario>Samus>Snake
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
zelda is our only hope to defeat link
Calintares 12/6/2018 7:40:40 PM#386
The Mana Sword posted...
zelda is our only hope to defeat link


then all hope is lost.
ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.
I'm now feeling really bad about Cloud's chances vs. Mega Man.
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
RIP Paul Bearer. Ohhhh nooooo. :(
no i mean next contest
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
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The crew went pretty low huh

Cloud is just sad now
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transience 12/6/2018 8:38:25 PM#392
I should bring back my 2-11 poll (and leave out sephiroth/sonic)

Cloud
Crono
Samus
Mario
Zelda
Pikachu
Mega Man
Snake
xyzzy
transience 12/6/2018 8:40:46 PM#394
eh, not really, not after getting crushed by samus
xyzzy
Eh, I wouldn't be surprised if she kept it close with Pikachu, Mega Man, and Crono. Maybe not win, but close.
I don't think Cloud is that much stronger than Tifa, to be honest.
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
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Indirectly:

Samus
Mario
Zelda
Snake
Cloud
Mega Man
Pikachu
Crono
(Tifa)
Like if he's still at his 2010 number against Ryu then he gets around 55% on Tifa.

(For reference, if he matches his 2010 number against Ryu then Peach beats Ryu)
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
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(edited 12/6/2018 8:49:28 PM)report
If you put Tifa on these lists you have to put Mega Man X as well. They're basically equal.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

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