GameFAQs Contests
Best. Game. Ever. Contest Analysis Crew - Part 5
ZFS posted... My current thoughts on this match: http://i.imgur.com/4mLqy6n.jpg Link is smiling, that's for sure. --- 3DS FC: 1805-2178-2522 NNID: Scarlettail |
ZeldaTPLink posted... LeonhartFour posted...looks like my reverse jinx of picking Pokemon to the finals is still looking 'great' Basically the point, yeah. Thanks for articulating that. --- KeepinItFresh since uhh... hell I don't know. Pkmn Y: Banco // FC 4038-7387-9954 |
LeonhartFour posted... also I put plenty of effort into every other writeup and nobody's ever like 'man I appreciate how great of a job you do' I did say I like these topics - your writeups are a big part of that, obviously. Just because I'm not saying "yay another great Leonhart writeup" every time you make one doesn't mean I don't appreciate them. It just sticks out more when one of your writeups sucks! Also, coming from you this is rather hypocritical as you never said anything positive about any of LMS's writeups either. When he did put in more effort after the numerous complaints, you never said "hey good job man, this is what we were talking about when we said we wanted to see a bit more content from you." You only bashed him into the ground when he did the lackluster "BLOWOUT TIME" writeups. Also, I never said "what's wrong with you man." I thought my critique of your writeup was fairly nuanced, as I also pointed out how I understand that it must get tiring to put out multiple high quality writeups every day. It was intended as constructive criticism more than anything. And if you think I'm a "lurker" you haven't been paying attention >_> I'm not a super frequent poster but I've been posting in these topics from time to time since the beginning. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta |
Just
one thing that wasn't clear. When I said "you guys hate contests", I
was being hyperbolic. I know you still like contests overall, but every
now and then people (and I'm not pointing to anyone specifically, but
the board as a whole) make those "RIP contests" and "what is the point
of contests anymore" posts, that while also hyperbolic, are pretty damn
annoying. So I wanted to mock those. It's like people want to be drama queens and threaten to not like contests anymore if the rallies don't stop, and that's pretty childish. Because I know if we have a Character Battle next year, everybody is gonna get in line to talk about the bracket, regardless of rallies. So the people saying they want to quit contests should either man up to that and quit contests, or admit they are still having great time and stop creating drama topics. Either way, those crew analysis are great, and I think you guys are all awesome, but that won't stop me from pinpointing the things that annoy me when they happen. Sorry. |
I
think you're reading wayyyyyyy too much into it, or maybe I'm just
speaking for myself personally. writing about an Undertale rally is
kinda pointless - it either happens or it doesn't. I never said baww
contests but you're all seemingly interpreting it that way. I had no
problem writing up the Skyrim match! --- add the c and back away iphonesience |
Mmmm in most cases I'd agree with you. Like Undertale vs Mario 64 next round I'd be with you Given how Pokemon got so much help from previous rounds where it was side by side with Undertale there were points of interest to be had though And yeah I do think that's a large part of why it's holding up right now. Not all counter rallying. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
ZeldaTPLink posted... I know you still like contests overall, but every now and then people (and I'm not pointing to anyone specifically, but the board as a whole) make those "RIP contests" and "what is the point of contests anymore" posts, that while also hyperbolic, are pretty damn annoying. So I wanted to mock those. This so much. When Undertale beat Mass Effect 3 the board was filled with "RIP CONTEST" kind of posts, and these sure as hell weren't all contest newbies. Even if Pokémon doesn't beat Undertale now these posts were stupid and whiny, as there are so many non-Undertale matches to enjoy regardless. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta |
I
don't personally see anything wrong with being exasperated over another
large rally when the scars of Draven were still relatively fresh even
after two years. This is the first full-on games contest we've had in
11 years and we were legitimately excited for it, but to have it look to
go the way of 2013 sucked. If that's whiny, fine, but I think that was the sentiment. --- http://i.imgur.com/RHvCiY3.png |
Anyway, shit's getting real now. Time to see if Undertale can do it again. --- http://i.imgur.com/RHvCiY3.png |
The Mana Sword posted... I don't personally see anything wrong with being exasperated over another large rally when the scars of Draven were still relatively fresh even after two years. This is the first full-on games contest we've had in 11 years and we were legitimately excited for it, but to have it look to go the way of 2013 sucked. That was ONE sentiment, and I don't have a problem with that. "I hate rallies" isn't an opinion I agree with, but it's a totally fair opinion. My problem was with the "RIP contest" and "there's no point anymore" sentiments, and there was definitely a lot of that going on too. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta |
transcience posted... I think you're reading wayyyyyyy too much into it, or maybe I'm just speaking for myself personally. writing about an Undertale rally is kinda pointless - it either happens or it doesn't. I never said baww contests but you're all seemingly interpreting it that way. I had no problem writing up the Skyrim match! Pretty much. If anything was making me disinterested in writing about that match, it was Melee/CT, not Undertale/Pokemon itself. The feel good story of the contest (sorry Undertale) just got taken away from us, and it was lame. But if you want an "after the fact" analysis, here we go: The Undertale rally is coming. People are banking on Pokemon getting a high backfire rate and thinking that'll be enough to win, but I don't really buy that. People are banking on Pokemon's natural strength to be enough to hold off Undertale, but the strength difference between Mario World and Pokemon probably isn't all that different. Probably the one advantage Pokemon has over FO3 or Mario World is that it does have places it can counter-rally, and Pokefans will rally, much like Melee fans did yesterday. They did it all throughout 2013. I didn't think it would be enough, and it looks like I might be wrong! 'yay' for my bracket I guess Of course, I didn't bank on vote totals being as insane as they are today (relative to the rest of the contest, of course). That's really Pokemon's biggest advantage because that's what let us shake off most rallies in the past. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
I feel pretty vindicated on all fronts here I think Pokemon holding up way better early was evidence of rally backfire (Pokemon isn't that much stronger than SMW here) I think the late afternoon second coming of Undertale votes late in the match causing a massive surge in Undertale votes and minimal change in Pokemon votes is evidence that a "rally" is occurring --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Assuming Undertale finishes the job here, is any non-ZFS person realistically thinking another game will beat it? --- http://i.imgur.com/RHvCiY3.png |
If
Undertale wins this, is the game not getting past OoT such a crazy
prediction? In '13 Draven was only able to beat Link with a small
percentage and help of a potential DDoS attack. I'm not sure if any of
the Undertale rallies are as big as the Draven rally in the
Link/Shepard/Draven match was. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta |
The
thing with Undertale is that its natural GameFAQs strength will grow
with every match. Pokemon was barely doubling it at the freeze. Like, I
wouldn't be surprised if you re-ran Undertale/ME3 tomorrow that
Undertale could beat it without needing a rally. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
LTTP needs to crush Majora hard tomorrow for me to feel like it can beat OoT and I'm not seeing that. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Well,
I'll give Pokemon some credit for at least making me wonder if
Undertale could do this, but we're basically back to "If Undertale
rallies, it wins. Undertale will rally, so Undertale wins." --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
So much for my guru bracket meanwhile wizardsfan lives on. no justice --- http://i.imgur.com/RHvCiY3.png |
at least the reverse jinx appears to have worked sadly it resulted in creating the Undertale monster so I apologize for that --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
I suppose the upside here is that Skyrim is slightly benefitting from this --- http://i.imgur.com/RHvCiY3.png |
woo lot of posts today just want to say thanks to those coming out the woodwork to say they enjoy the crew! --- Moltar Status: hype Contest Analysis Crew Archives: http://thecrew.speedrunwiki.com/ |
Division 5: Round 4 - Match 117 – (1) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs. (2) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Moltar’s Analysis The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Round 1 - 91.03% vs Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Round 2 - 76.89% vs Suikoden II Round 3 - 64.96% vs Final Fantasy IX Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Round 1 - 74.99% vs Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trials and Tribulations Round 2 - 60.61% vs Banjo-Kazooie Round 3 - 62.03% vs Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest Well this is easy, the only question here is how much is OoT going to beat SotN by. I’m not even sure I’d take SotN over FF9, so I can see OoT actually getting the doubling here. Overflow from the previous match should also help out OoT, which would be nice considering it's been a minute since OoT had an impressive performance. Moltar’s Bracket: Ocarina of Time Moltar’s Prediction: Ocarina of Time – 67% Transience’s Analysis After a crazy couple of days, we're back to plain old 90s single player games. We're probably going to have a spill-over from the Undertale match, especially if we have rallies and counterrallies and it ends up being close, but it shouldn't really matter. I would expect any runoff to support Ocarina over SOTN if anything. SOTN is a popular game but not to Pokemon and Undertale fans. Those are Nintendo types of people and Zelda is by far the more relevant series right now. SOTN does have one advantage here: three Zelda games and SOTN. SOTN could overperform based on that. GameFAQs has a history of being a little Zelda crazy and it's finally starting to show. Ocarina has turned into FF7 in terms of its image: the game that always wins. Put three Zelda games together, along with the run-off, and who knows? People may just mass antivote Zelda. Not enough to lose though. SOTN has looked maybe a half step below FF9 so I think 35% is a fine number. If there's any wonkiness here, SOTN could embarrass Ocarina. It's happened two matches in a row so maybe we'll see three. transience's prediction: Ocarina of Time with 64.78% Leonhart’s Analysis Ocarina of Time has put up two very mortal and beatable performances in a row. Sadly, that no longer really matters now that Chrono Trigger is dead and Final Fantasy VII will soon be dead, but it should be interesting to see if that trend continues. Symphony of the Night has looked really impressive in all of its matches. It should be interesting to see what it can do considering it’ll be sharing a poll with three other Zeldas. It stands out like a sore thumb here, so it might benefit from it and make OoT look even worse. Again, it won’t matter in the long run, but I can get a little schadenfreude imagining what Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy VII could’ve done to this washed up former champ! Leonhart’s Vote: Symphony of the Night Leonhart’s Prediction: Ocarina of Time with 64.44% --- Moltar Status: hype Contest Analysis Crew Archives: http://thecrew.speedrunwiki.com/ |
Kleenex’s Analysis I hope you guys like ZELDA because boy do we have some ZELDA for you. The first match featuring ZELDA gives our premier ZELDA a chance to redeem itself after a couple paltry performances in round 2 and 3. ZELDA’s opponent put up some nice numbers against DKC2, but that game is terrible by virtue of not being ZELDA. I’m still in the camp that not-ZELDA is weaker than people give it credit for, so I think ZELDA might recover a bit of its former glory today. I suspect we will see something similar to the last time we saw ZELDA face not-ZELDA in a contest match, which was back in 2010. ZELDA will probably do a bit worse than that match, but this should be a big win for ZELDA in preparation for its big match next round against ZELDA. ZELDA with 68% Guest’s Analysis - Ctes Today is gonna be a very boring day compared to the previous two, but at least one don't have to fear rallies in the slightest. It's Zelda day ft. Castlevania. Ocarina of Time will destroy in this match. SotN might very well be the weakest game in the top 16 unless you count a non-rallied Undertale with no bandwagon whatsoever. The only interesting this about this match would be determining OoT's chances against the winner of the first half of the bracket, but that's all down to rallies either way. Spillover will probably support OoT the most here, but I doubt there'll be any noticable difference. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time with 70.12% Crew Consensus: ZELDA --- Moltar Status: hype Contest Analysis Crew Archives: http://thecrew.speedrunwiki.com/ |
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Division 6: Round 4 - Match 118 – (1) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. (2) The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask Moltar’s Analysis The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Round 1 - 88.02% vs Cave Story Round 2 - 65.45% vs Final Fantasy IV Round 3 - 70.58% vs Dark Souls The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask Round 1 - 75.89% vs Valkyria Chronicles Round 2 - 68.87% vs Final Fantasy XII Round 3 - 50.53% vs Super Metroid ‘well then’ super metroid I was originally under the impression that Majora was a lot stronger, like close to LttP, but struggling with SM hurt it IMO. That’s not to say SM is weak, but we’ve seen LttP crush SM enough to know that there is a good difference in strength between the two even before SFF. It looks like OoT and LttP are a good step ahead of not only WW/TP, but also MM. I guess this’ll be a good chance to find out how big that gap is. Again, since MM struggled with a SNES game like SM, I have low expectations for it here. Moltar’s Bracket: Link to the Past Moltar’s Prediction: Link to the Past – 60% Transience’s Analysis Majora got exposed last round. I love Super Metroid and I hope it's a top 10 video game but the reality is that it's probably closer to 20. LTTP is somewhere between 3 and 6 depending on how you feel about Mario 64, Chrono Trigger or Pokemon RBY. LTTP whipping Super Metroid is one of the core tenets of this contest. As such, LTTP should probably whip Majora. But how badly? I think LTTP is good for 60% but it's really hard to predict this. I could see LTTP dropping 70% in an overlap situation (maybe people see OOT in the poll and realize that they don't need to vote for Majora?) or maybe Majora puts a scare into LTTP. It's certainly more relevant than LTTP today with the new 3DS remake (as opposed to the LTTP remake that came out in 2013!). My hope here is that LTTP outperforms Ocarina on SOTN and sets up an FF6/FF7 kind of situation where the SNES game has a shot at winning, or at least scaring, the major players of this contest. The top half of the bracket is a total mess so let's get a match of note that really matters on the bottom half. transience's prediction: Link to the Past with 62.74% Leonhart’s Analysis Here is our first of two Zelda/Zelda matchups, but neither match is really up for debate. Majora’s Mask needed everything it had to beat Super Metroid, and for as great as Super Metroid has looked this year, there’s no way it beats Link to the Past. I never really thought Majora had much of a chance to win here anyway. Not sure if LTTP will lay down any significant SFF on Majora or not, but hopefully MM can at least keep things respectable since it’s one of the rare Zelda games that I actually like. Leonhart’s Vote: Majora’s Mask Leonhart’s Prediction: A Link to the Past with 55.03% Kleenex’s Analysis I’m actually kind of disappointed we couldn’t cram a 4th Zelda game in today, but such is life. After last round, there is no debate here. Link to the Past has looked a monster so far this contest, and Majora’ nearly dropped the ball when plucky upstart Super Metroid briefly forgot its place in the Nintendo Hierarchy. I’d really like to see Link to the Past go huge here to really put the fear into Ocarina next round. Sure it could just end up a FF6/FF7 situation, but it’s fun to think about. Zelda: A Link to the Past with 65% Guest’s Analysis - Mespirit Crew Consensus: ZELDA --- Moltar Status: hype Contest Analysis Crew Archives: http://thecrew.speedrunwiki.com/ |
Emergency Guest Analysis Oh hey looks like maybe missing another topic won't hurt me after all. And what perfect timing, since apparently the job of the Guest Crew is to make weird upset picks and wouldn't you know it, I'm just stubborn enough not to be put off my Majora pick by that match against Super Metroid! No, seriously, you can look at the Oracle prediction topic. My initial prediction is like somewhere in the sixties for ALttP, and then just a few minutes later I make a prediction for a Majora's Mask win because I actually hadn't been paying enough attention to realize that Majora's Mask had made a comeback on Super Metroid. Obviously SNES SFF means ALttP would've killed Super Metroid, but here? After seeing Chrono Trigger, the poster child for SNESFEAR, lose to Melee? I maintain that Majora's Mask has the slight edge over Link to the Past in the battle for the title of #2 Zelda game. Majora's Mask with 50.01% of the vote --- FC 5026-4424-6331 -- Native Vivillon type: Polar Still need Marine, Sun, Icy Snow, Monsoon, River, and Jungle |
Oh,
it's today? The day when the top 3 Zelda games come together to finally
establish the pecking order among themselves, I mean. For reasons
unknown to everybody, even though the series fails to impress insofar as
innovation is concerned (at least Final Fantasy bothers to do this!) it
still remains the most popular series on this site. Majora's Mask is
probably the exception though - with the unforgettable 3-day cycle and
moonface designed to give you eternal nightmares. Maybe that's why it
won its undeserved spot as GOTD a few years ago... After unfairly
beating FFX and SSBM in really unforgettable matches. That said, it's the weakest of the 3 Zeldas to be judged today, especially after we watched it have the fight of its live against Super Metroid of all things. A blowout is in order, though I will count on the off-chance that MM has a fanbase of players who haven't actually played LttP... Why did A Link Between Worlds not make this contest? Superior to the original, it might have been clo- Nah, that's not how this site works. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 64.17% --- 3DS FC: 1951 - 0028 - 4303 |
...Huh. I just noticed that I actually have ALttP in my bracket, which means that my opinion that Majora's Mask would win was obviously something that formed after lockdown. Which seems weird because up until very recently, SNES games were all but unbeatable, and while Majora's Mask over Super Metroid helped start the beginning of the end, I hadn't even realized that that had happened and was saying that I still believed MM could've beaten ALttP had it gotten the chance even as it was seemingly on its way to a loss. Well, my bracket's shot anyway so might as well stick with it in my Oracle. --- FC 5026-4424-6331 -- Native Vivillon type: Polar Still need Marine, Sun, Icy Snow, Monsoon, River, and Jungle |
Well,
the day after Undertale matches always have inflated vote totals and
then they gradually slip back to normal in a couple of days. Thankfully,
the next Undertale match is right around the corner, so the vote totals
ought to be able to stay kinda high! --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
whatisurnameplz posted... So LttP is as strong as Super Metroid before SFF? That's...a very tough question. In an actual match between ALttP and SM, I expect ALttP to win handily because of SNES SFF. And in indirect matches against neutral opponents...ALttP should still be stronger. They only look equal in this contest because their common opponent isn't neutral; it's another Zelda game. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if A Link to the Past was indirectly stronger than Majora's Mask. But Majora's Mask has one thing going for it that makes it hard to beat: It's essentially an officially licensed OoT romhack. That's the real reason everyone in Termina looks like someone Link knew from his previous quest; Nintendo reused existing assets and basically took shortcuts to quickly produce a second game. So, yeah, Majora's Mask pretty much confirmed to be able to ride its "Ocarina-lite" status to beating all but the most elite games. Ocarina itself, obviously, and FF7. Probably RBY as well since we saw it embarrass MM twice in the 2009 contest, once with GSC LFFing it. (The sheer strength GSC showed in that match in spite of RBY's presence made GSC > Majora a sexy upset pick in GotD...lol at how that turned out.) Hey, that reminds me...Melee lost in GotD in an SFF match against Brawl, the runner-up, while GSC faced the champion, MM, directly. Based on those matches GSC should've broken 47% on Melee; it instead just narrowly failed to break 40%. I believe that Brawl-Melee is a similar situation to this one, a case where the fanbase actually prefers the option that is actually weaker indirectly, but given its performances this contest... Melee vs. Majora's Mask. Who you got? (Based on a topic I made during one of RBY's matches, Pokémon seems to be another series where contest strength doesn't match up with the core fanbase's preferences, but the gap caused by so many people leaving the series after one or two generations is so large that it doesn't matter that fans who have played every generation seem to have the first two generations as the worst two; RBY would still crush any other generation directly and GSC would do the same to any that isn't RBY.) --- FC 5026-4424-6331 -- Native Vivillon type: Polar Still need Marine, Sun, Icy Snow, Monsoon, River, and Jungle |
