Best. Game. Ever. Contest Analysis Crew - Part 4

11/23/2015 12:42:42 PM#1
Hey everyone! Welcome to the Best. Game. Ever. Contest Analysis Crew topic!


EPISODE 3: It All Comes tumblring Down


Starring - Punished "Master" Moltar

Benedict Transience

Revolver Leonhart

Dr. Kleenex

Guest Starring - Guest Face

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Featured Writer - Lopen Gear


Current Guest List - Send write-ups to mastermoltar@gmail.com

Skyrim vs GoldenEye 007 - Xeybozn
Metroid Prime vs Half-Life 2 - Ultimaphazon
Super Mario 64 vs Final Fantasy Tactics - whatisurnameplz
Zelda: Twilight Princess vs Persona 4 - MechanicalWall

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Suikoden II - SE
Okami vs Final Fantasy IX - Bane_Of_Despair
Donkey Kong Country 2 vs Fire Emblem: Awakening - paulg235
Banjo-Kazooie vs Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - pjbasis

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs Final Fantasy IV - Ultimaphazon
Metal Gear Solid V vs Dark Souls - Luster Soldier
Super Metroid vs Super Mario Galaxy - Dr Football
Final Fantasy XII vs The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - spooky

Grand Theft Auto V vs Super Mario RPG - Tsunami
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas vs Chrono Cross - Black_Turtle
The Witcher 3 vs Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - MechanicalWall
Fallout: New Vegas vs Resident Evil 4 - FFD

Metal Gear Solid vs Earthbound - Evillordexdeath
Shadow of the Colossus vs Red Dead Redemption - haloiscoolisbak
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater vs Bioshock - spooky96
Starcraft vs Mass Effect 2 - whatisurnameplz
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that moment when you start looking back on the rivalry rumble fondly
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our last "pure" contest
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no amount of doom and gloom will reduce me to that
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iphonesience
actually you're right, freaking pokemon trainers beat cloud and sephiroth

screw that contest
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that match didn't count...!
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I still think OoT is winning this contest, for whatever that's worth
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I'm not convinced Undertale can get past Pokemon.
The split should be 45-55 at best for Undertale and the larger tumblr would probably be more pro pokemon than Undertale so even with a 50k rally or something , I don't think it would win.
You guys should always remember the rivalry rumble fondly, it was when I was among the crew
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11/23/2015 1:09:06 PM#10
i think i did okay inthat one so i'm okay with this
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<Die the death>! <Sentence to death>! <Great equalizer is the death>!!
Completely missed a sign-up topic I see. "Great".
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My old signature was really outdated. I haven't thought of a proper new one yet.
you didn't even submit your last writeup!
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iphonesience
11/23/2015 1:13:12 PM#13
Dantezoid posted...
You guys should always remember the rivalry rumble fondly, it was when I was among the crew


who are you
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<Die the death>! <Sentence to death>! <Great equalizer is the death>!!
Yeah, I know, so I guess it's fair. I probably would have if I had gotten a more interesting match. That doesn't excuse it at all, but it's most likely true.
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My old signature was really outdated. I haven't thought of a proper new one yet.
I am the one who showed you star guardian lux
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Now with more bold! Less italics due to bold.
I will admit that I'm a little disappointed, certainly, but honestly we shouldn't be complaining so much about this. Quite frankly watching the stats topic's reaction to the rallies was kinda fun.

Also, it's a contest, and people from anywhere should be free to come and vote.

Honestly I just hope the tumblur spillover doesn't kill Metroid Prime.
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Master Moltar posted...
EPISODE 3: It All Comes tumblring Down

hahaha that subtitle
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Might have to update my write-up, forgot about tumblr-spillover votes
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Oh yea, I guess raytan won.
Well the best thing about this Undertale rally is how bad it's making FFVIII look.
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Hey you used the word best when you meant worst, man.

Thought you should know.
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LongLiveraytan
11/23/2015 5:53:51 PM#22
Division 4: Round 2 - Match 77 – (1) The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim vs. (8) GoldenEye 007

Moltar’s Analysis

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Round 1 - 66.62% vs Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney

GoldenEye 007
Round 1 - 55.93% vs Diablo II

So after R1 I'm feeling a lot worse about this match. Excuses aside, Skyrim only doubled PW, and that seems very unimpressive as SotN was able to triple another PW game.

Goldeneye had a decent performance, but it doesn't look to be the top-tier game that some might have hoped. Still, Diablo II has proven itself in the past, and Goldeneye, while not the top-tier game some might have hoped for, does have some solid strength. If it wins this match, it'll be more so due to Skyrim's weakness.

I'll stick with Skyrim, but this should be close and I wouldn't be surprised if old beats new once again.

Moltar’s Bracket: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Moltar’s Prediction: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - 53%



Transience’s Analysis

Let me just get right to it: I'm very skeptical of Skyrim. 67% on Phoenix Wright is bad, rally aftereffects or not. SOTN got 75%! Oh, and Goldeneye beat SOTN like 60/40 back in the day. Contest trends are moving very quickly away from Skyrim and it has to face a 'classic' game here.

I wish I had more faith in Goldeneye. I would take it and not look back. The argument for Skyrim is kinda simple - wouldn't Skyrim get more than 55% on Diablo 2? Well.. I'm not sure, really. I've been trying to eyeball where the Elder Scrolls games are and just haven't been very successful. Morrowind got an okay percentage on Metroid Prime but it didn't mean much. Oblivion got exactly what you would expect on Mario RPG.. but Mario RPG lost to Goldeneye so Skyrim has to be a couple of steps above that. Mass Effect 2 didn't impress me and I'm not even sure that I would correlate the two.

I think I'll probably stick with Skyrim here but I have zero confidence. If this were a Zelda or a Metroid I would abandon it in a heartbeat. No matter how many times 007 proves its worth, I just can't get over the idea of an outdated N64 shooter being legit strong.

transience's prediction: Skyrim with 51.41%



Leonhart’s Analysis

Skyrim had one of the most disappointing performances of the first round in the eyes of many against Phoenix Wright, coming up just short of a doubling. I’m not convinced it was all that bad, but it certainly wasn’t the power people were hoping to see from it. Speaking for myself, I wasn’t all that impressed with GoldenEye’s performance on Diablo II, which isn’t that strong of a game. For whatever you may think of Skyrim, I can’t see it losing to Diablo II. I think this will be a close match either way.

I’m going to lean GoldenEye just because of OLD GAMES, but I really have no strong confidence in either game here. I think that’s a good thing because this division is completely wide open now. Should be fun to see who comes out on top! Skyrim winning would be the biggest victory of the contest by far for NEW GAMES, but it’s hard to side with it because of that.

Leonhart’s Vote: GoldenEye 007

Leonhart’s Prediction: GoldenEye 007 with 51.10%
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11/23/2015 5:54:00 PM#23
Kleenex’s Analysis

How about that contest! Are we having fun yet? Woo!

As with last round, we can probably expect some spillover from the Undertale nonsense. Skyrim didn’t fare too well last round and western games have mostly been a flop, but I also don’t think Goldeneye looked particularly great either. I also think - and hear me out on this - that Tumblr would prefer Skyrim over Goldeneye. Phoenix Wright was definitely a very Tumblr game, and Skyrim suffered for it, but what about Goldeneye is particularly enticing to the Tumblr crowd? I really can’t think of anything. I’m sure there’s a mod that’ll turn all the NPCs in Skyrim into Undertale characters or something like that, right?

Also Goldeneye is still stupid and I would never back it.

Skyrim with 57%



Guest’s Analysis - Xeybozn

Pre-contest, I was kind of surprised at how nobody was debating this match. I remember a lot of arguing about whether Goldeneye would have any strength now that it's old and nobody cares about it, but everyone agreed it didn't matter because Skyrim would be an absolute beast. If you want an idea of what we were expecting then, look at the Guru stats; 78% of Gurus had Skyrim making the division finals, with more people picking Skyrim > SM64 than Goldeneye > Skyrim. But now that we've actually seen both of these games, this match looks a lot more interesting; Skyrim did fairly well in the first round, but it isn't the terrifying monster so many of us were expecting. Meanwhile, Goldeneye did about as well on Diablo as MSG4 did in Game of the Decade. Is that enough to make it the favorite here? I don't think I'd go that far, but the stats do slightly favor Goldeneye, as does the performances of older games all contest. Then again, Skyrim's probably a bit stronger than it looked last round (thanks Undertale rally), and it still has a lot of great performances in site polls. I'm going to stick with Skyrim, but this should be a fairly close match no matter who wins.

Prediction: Skyrim - 52.73%



Crew Consensus: Avoided the curse! Most of us favor Skyrim
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yes skyrim avoids the curse

my bracket is saved
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Pokemon vs Undertale should be fun. Whoever loses, we win.
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No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
"my bracket is saved"
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iphonesience
11/23/2015 5:59:25 PM#28
"I know that's going to be the consensus, but I dunno. Mario didn't get a chance to use its best time. I think it's probably a 51/49, kH/FF9 kind of match with RBY taking it but I wouldn't write that in stone."

Yes I'm with tranny on this one, I think Pokemon edges it out but leaves room for World or 64 to hulk up and finish the job (as I originally picked).

"at least this will stop all the middle age men trying to rationalize "girl voters" as seeing squall is hot and voting for him no matter what, cause wow that was a little weird!

(Lookin at you, NGamer!)"

HEY NOW I refuse to take more than partial credit!

"do we have a term yet for 16 year old girls voting for a hot dude? rTJF (reverse The Jug Factor)?"

Yes we named it "TSF" on the last episode of The Show, The Stud Factor.

"oh hi i prefer nicomaki over nozoeli but i respect ur opinion, i'm kurumi-san on LINE :3 :3"

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transcience posted...
"my bracket is saved"

we are speaking in relative terms of course
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xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out?
Ngamer have you ever heard of italics

they are quite useful
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thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny
I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris
"The last GameFAQs contest" - SBAllen, 2015
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Communists
11/23/2015 6:08:54 PM#32
Lopen posted...
Pokemon vs Undertale should be fun. Whoever loses, we win.

Ehhhh what if they rally 30k outside voters but Pokemon's so beloved it gets 35% tumblr support to edge out a win and then there's no rally in the next round since it was all Undertale maniacs driving the bandwagon.

The perfect crime.
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11/23/2015 6:59:43 PM#33
LOL @ how mario 3 looks if you ignore the actual reason
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11/23/2015 7:03:52 PM#34
Division 4: Round 2 - Match 78 – (5) Metroid Prime vs. (4) Half-Life 2

Moltar’s Analysis

Metroid Prime
Round 1 - 63.09% vs The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

Half-Life 2
Round 1 - 63.90% vs Demon's Souls

Remember that poll where Prime beat Half-Life in a 12 hour day match with like 51%? Pretend I linked that here.

I see that match either going the same way, or MP winning by a larger margin. The Half-Life series doesn't look any stronger and really has no reason to get stronger these days. That means that all Prime has to do is not be weaker than it was 5 years ago, and based off that R1 performance and pre-Wii Nintendo's showings in general, that does not look to be the case.

Moltar’s Bracket: Metroid Prime

Moltar’s Prediction: Metroid Prime - 53%



Transience’s Analysis

This matchup is funny: Prime won 50.5/49.5 in 2010 and Steam/PC gaming has exploded since then. And yet.. everyone picked Prime in a classic case of groupthink. You just don't pick the PC game over the Nintendo game on GameFAQs, even when results show that it is indeed possible!

And yet.. it's probably the right move. This website has kind of jumped five years into the past with this contest. Metroid Prime isn't a classic 90s game but it does represent a time period when Nintendo was good and popular. The Metroid name has some value to it and it always does best when it's up against western games or ones without a proven fanbase on this website. Super Metroid did really well and while that's more COD than Super Metroid, it can't hurt to throw it into the equation here. Prime probably takes this without ever being truly threatened.

transience's prediction: Metroid Prime with 53.96%



Leonhart’s Analysis

We saw this match in Game of the Decade, and Metroid Prime won with 50.73%. Random variation could turn this in Half-Life 2’s favor here if the two have stayed that close. I feel like their round 1 performances seem to indicate they’re still close. I actually thought Half-Life 2’s performance was a little better, but I’m willing to give Prime the benefit of the doubt that maybe Morrowind overperformed a bit due to sharing the poll with Skyrim.

I’m going to side with Metroid Prime here again because it won last time and because it’s Nintendo. That’s not to say Prime couldn’t lose a close match against a western game because it lost a close match to Fallout 3. I just feel like the intangibles favor Metroid Prime in what is essentially another tossup match.

Leonhart’s Vote: Metroid Prime

Leonhart’s Prediction: Metroid Prime with 50.73%
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11/23/2015 7:03:56 PM#35
Kleenex’s Analysis

We saw this match five years ago. It was close but Metroid managed to win and I don’t really see a reason why that would change here. I can’t imagine Half-Life has gotten more relevant and people on this site love them some Nintendo. I’d probably take Morrowind to beat Demon’s Souls too, for what it’s worth. We’ll probably get a reasonably close match, but I don’t have much faith in Half-Life making too many pushes to win this one. At least the match pic is better than last time.

Metroid Prime with 52%



Guest’s Analysis - Ultima

We have seen Metroid Prime go against Half-Life 2 during GotD. Prime won with less than 51%, so that result could easily be different now, 5 years later.

Honestly, Prime's win against Morrowind with 63% didn't really impress me a whole lot. Other Elder Scrolls games have done poorly, and I think Morrowind is likely to be the weakest of them all. Half-Life 2 got 64% against Demon's Souls, which probably isn't all that great of a performance either. The Souls series has gained some popularity since the first PS3 exclusive game, and I'd certainly pick Dark Souls over Morrowind, but we have seen before that new games don't necessarily boost the popularity of the earlier games (see Persona 3)

Basically, neither MP nor HL2 have really shown anything to make them a huge favorite for this match. Let's not forget that Prime has brackets, so if HL2 had a minor lead going into the final hours, I'd expect rallying for MP. HL2 needs to score a convincing win (more than 51%) if it doesn't want to get beaten by a final rally, and I just don't think it has the strength to do that. Prime should win it.

Prediction: Metroid Prime with 50.85%



Crew Consensus: Prime 2 - HL2 - 0
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man everyone else stuck with Skyrim?

figures
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no one went with half-life eh? boo
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xyzzy
Ngamer64 posted...
Lopen posted...
Pokemon vs Undertale should be fun. Whoever loses, we win.

Ehhhh what if they rally 30k outside voters but Pokemon's so beloved it gets 35% tumblr support to edge out a win and then there's no rally in the next round since it was all Undertale maniacs driving the bandwagon.

The perfect crime.


Works for me. I had SM64 > SMB3, so I'll take SM64 > RBY.
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Crew curse confirms HL2 win, thanks for helping my bracket.

Also my analysis is kinda weird since I thought we had to send it in by afternoon. Therefore before the massive Undertale rally.
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Oh yea, I guess raytan won.
(edited 11/23/2015 7:38:06 PM)report
11/23/2015 8:35:55 PM#40
Division 4: Round 2 - Match 79 – (3) Super Mario 64 vs. (6) Final Fantasy Tactics

Moltar’s Analysis

Super Mario 64
Round 1 - 80.04% vs Mario Kart 8

Final Fantasy Tactics
Round 1 - 57.58% vs Resident Evil 2

You know what SMW is doing to FF8 today (minus the rallyfuel)? That's what SM64 is going to do to FFT. Potentially worse if 64 > World and 8 > Tactics like I'm guessing.

Moltar’s Bracket: Super Mario 64

Moltar’s Prediction: Super Mario 64 - 67%



Transience’s Analysis

Is this our first Nintendo/Square matchup of note? Well, there was FF6/TTYD, but that was Nintendo reaching out into the realm of RPGs. This is Nintendo-ass Nintendo against a damn Square RPG. This is a good barometer kind of match to gauge the temperature of our two biggest fanbases.

FFT isn't that popular and it can't play the 90s card because Mario 64 trumps it. Still, I think FFT should be able to hold up at least a little bit. It's been overrated for like a decade thanks to its overperformance on Metal Gear Solid. Can it avoid a doubling?

Well, I'm looking at FF8/SMW - a similar type of strength matchup - and FF8 did avoid the doubling. Some people would argue that 64 > World but I'm not convinced -- but I am convinced that 8 beats out Tactics. SO I'll aim for the 66%ish area with the full understanding that Mario 64 might push for 70 here. Tactics just isn't that big here.

transience's prediction: Mario 64 with 67.95%



Leonhart’s Analysis

Final Fantasy Tactics got a good win against Resident Evil 2, but this is the end of the line here. It should be interesting to compare Mario 64’s performance against FFT to Mario World’s performance on FFVIII. As I write this, Mario World currently has about 64% on FFVIII. I’d favor FFVIII in a direct match with FFT, but I’m not exactly unbiased here. If Mario 64 can’t match Mario World’s number here, I’d lean toward World as the strongest Mario game. It’s all conjecture at this point, of course, but that’s my gut.

Leonhart’s Vote: Final Fantasy Tactics

Leonhart’s Prediction: Super Mario 64 with 64.64%



Kleenex’s Analysis

The second two battles today are pretty big mismatches. Mario 64 might very well be the strongest Mario game around these parts and Tactics is definitely on the lower end of the Final Fantasy spectrum. Unless Mario really bombs today I think it’s still a safe bet to make it out of the division, but I’m not going to trust the percentages on these matches too much because who knows how accurate they’re going to be given the expected wonkiness.

Super Mario 64 with 64%



Guest’s Analysis - whatisurnameplz

FFT vs. RE2 – 57.58%

SM64 vs. MK8 – 80.04%

There was a lot of debate pre-contest about FFT’s R1 match being the closest of the round, then it beat RE2 handily. Meanwhile, you can argue Mario 64 disappointed R1, given how it probably SFF’d Mario Kart.

Regardless, Mario is winning this match. Just look at today’s match: As of 12:24 EST (when I’m writing this), Mario World is near 63.5% against FF8. If not for Undertale it could almost be a doubling.

I’m of the belief that Mario 64 will be the strongest of the three Mario games, and the only one that will be able to beat RBY. I even have it beating FF7 in my bracket (Mario vs. Cloud 2015 let’s goooooo).

I’m assuming FFT is weaker than FF8, so Mario 64 should be able to get a solid doubling here.

Mario 64 – 70.19%


Crew Consensus: A tactical victory for SM64
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I'm guessing the crew isn't factoring in tumblr spill-over?
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Oh yea, I guess raytan won.
dunno about others, but I wrote these before Undertale started actively coming back
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xyzzy
Ok. I originally had it at 67.19%, then I e-mailed Moltar asking him to raise it by 3%
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Oh yea, I guess raytan won.
whatisurnameplz posted...
I'm guessing the crew isn't factoring in tumblr spill-over?


I don't expect it to have a significant leaning in either direction except for maybe P4/TP, and that match is a foregone conclusion.
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Master Moltar posted...
Is this our first Nintendo/Square matchup of note?


that hurt tranny

that hurt
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yeah I somehow blanked on a match that was happening today
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xyzzy
especially since I mentioned it in the next paragraph!
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xyzzy
you even mentioned it in the writeup!
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Master Moltar posted...
Guest’s Analysis - whatisurnameplz
Regardless, Mario is winning this match. Just look at today’s match: As of 12:24 EST (when I’m writing this), Mario World is near 63.5% against FF8. If not for Undertale it could almost be a doubling.


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The Mana Sword posted...
I still think OoT is winning this contest, for whatever that's worth


I like this
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