Character Battle IX Contest Analysis Crew - Part 6

#151 | xp1337 | Posted 8/26/2013 12:02:40 PM | message detail
Link would have put a stop to it too!

Bacon obviously saw this coming and put them together to prevent them from interfering!
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#152 | OlDirtyNumbers | Posted 8/26/2013 12:28:13 PM | message detail
Not even Link could stop this terror this is just the beginning

Just like Charizard got stronger round after round in 2010, the pokemenace would not let up until it had eradicated everything we love in the world

The only thing that can stop it is THE MOST PLAYED GAME IN THE WORLD
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#153 | Lopen | Posted 8/26/2013 1:21:39 PM | message detail
So yeah Pikachu probably beats Crono 1v1 this year straight up.

Hilarious and sad. And I don't even like Crono.

Thank you Draven for gloriously executing the contest field I don't want the contest to exist as this abomination!
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#154 | Bane_Of_Despair | Posted 8/26/2013 1:26:08 PM | message detail
I don't see anything wrong with Pokemon being more successful, unless you straight up just don't like the Pokemon games.
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#155 | Lopen | Posted 8/26/2013 1:39:37 PM | message detail
Games are okay but there are just too many contenders from a single game. You've potentially got a single game having like 5 or 6 NN breakers in it. That's not good no matter how you slice it.

People didn't like it when it was thrown around as potentially that way with FFVII characters being near elite so they should doubly dislike it when there's a just as big group that could probably upset the bottom few NN members pretty reliably.

They won't, though, because one is FFVII "quite possibly the most hated game ever made" and one is Pokemon "champion of 'upsets'"
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#156 | transcience | Posted 8/26/2013 1:47:53 PM | message detail
from a contest perspective, having a dozen personality-less monsters in the top 20-30 contest characters is pretty jacked up. that's probably hyperbole but not by much. I don't know of it's worth getting upset about, but Pokemon characters are straight up killing video game icons left and right. I think one or two of them should be up there but when you start talking 8 Pokemon in the final rounds, that's a little unbalanced. even for this unbalanced website.
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#157 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/26/2013 1:52:30 PM | message detail
What fascinates me most is that this isn't a GameFAQs tradition, like Link or FFVII - go back ten years and Pokemon was laughed out of contests with its tail between its legs, but now it's a machine, producing multiple entrants capable of beating everything short of the absolute elite.
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#158 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/26/2013 1:57:16 PM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
What fascinates me most is that this isn't a GameFAQs tradition, like Link or FFVII - go back ten years and Pokemon was laughed out of contests with its tail between its legs, but now it's a machine, producing multiple entrants capable of beating everything short of the absolute elite.


GameFAQs has matured into Pokemon. Lots of the people who would anti-vote it went to college, and among the things people do to get to know each is talking about things you liked as a kid, which far more often than not included Pokemon.

Our dorm wasn't even remotely nerdy and while we could get maybe 20 people to watch a major football game or show up to play Smash all night, we had more than a hundred show up for a RBY tournament.

(From what I heard like 10 showed up for the GSC tournament someone tried to put together, but lol GSC)
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#159 | Bane_Of_Despair | Posted 8/26/2013 1:58:05 PM | message detail
To be honest, Link has more in common with Pokemon than some people would like to admit. He doesn't really have a personality and every version of him in Legend of Zelda games are different heroes, different Links. So it's almost like he's his own species XD
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#160 | ZFS | Posted 8/26/2013 2:00:27 PM | message detail
Pokemon, man, I don't know. GameFAQs is something else!

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#161 | Lopen | Posted 8/26/2013 2:01:28 PM | message detail
I almost said it as a checklist criticism of the dominance but I honestly don't care too much about them having no personality-- they're not far behind the likes of Link and Crono or even Mario in this regard so that's kinda par the course. Kinda salt on the wound more than a legitimate gripe.

But yeah I remember people would jokingly suggest "piece of FFVII furniture" for the contest but it feels like Pokemon is looking to be more of a monster than FFVII ever was in terms of pumping out a bunch of strong characters. I bet an EXP Share would finish in the top half of the field.
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#162 | ZFS | Posted 8/26/2013 2:03:56 PM | message detail
A Pokeball would!
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#163 | Lopen | Posted 8/26/2013 2:07:35 PM | message detail
I can just imagine it too

"I have FOND MEMORIES of EXP SHARE it helped me level up my bad Pokemon!"

This would literally be said.
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#164 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/26/2013 2:07:52 PM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Kotetsu534 posted...
What fascinates me most is that this isn't a GameFAQs tradition, like Link or FFVII - go back ten years and Pokemon was laughed out of contests with its tail between its legs, but now it's a machine, producing multiple entrants capable of beating everything short of the absolute elite.


GameFAQs has matured into Pokemon. Lots of the people who would anti-vote it went to college, and among the things people do to get to know each is talking about things you liked as a kid, which far more often than not included Pokemon.

Our dorm wasn't even remotely nerdy and while we could get maybe 20 people to watch a major football game or show up to play Smash all night, we had more than a hundred show up for a RBY tournament.

(From what I heard like 10 showed up for the GSC tournament someone tried to put together, but lol GSC)


This pic pretty much ilustrates it.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Pokemon_ee057e_1196782.jpg

There is an age when you hate things just because kids like it, and there is age when you stop making a big deal about it and just play whatever you like.
#165 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/26/2013 2:08:02 PM | message detail
Honestly though Squirtle beating Dante doesn't even feel that absurd after seeing what Dante did compared to Zidane.

I mean 56% on Zidane puts you in 'you could lose to Ike if Awakening helps him at all' levels. Squirtle did really good, sure, but Dante didn't even normal-Dante struggle, dude bombed on a level that would seem absurd if Vincent hadn't happened.
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#166 | Lopen | Posted 8/26/2013 2:15:19 PM | message detail
Honestly the Dante match makes no sense at all especially considering in r1 he looked like the normal Dante. People say "oh Dante's fanbase abandons him against competition" but that hasn't really been the case in the past.

I'm more inclined to say PokeFAQs + slight Zidane boost than Dante falling off a cliff though. It's not as if Dante was projected to double Zidane or anything anyway. I think the stats had it at about 60-40 Dante-- granted that's SFF adjusted speculation but eh.
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#167 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/26/2013 2:17:27 PM | message detail
Clearly Ridley/Cloud was legit, Zidane just boosted so much we couldn't tell.
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#168 | Lopen | Posted 8/26/2013 2:20:25 PM | message detail
You don't even need to go close to that far, really!
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#169 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2013 2:29:33 PM | message detail
Round 1 Squirtle and round 2 Squirtle didn't appear to be on the same level. Just looking at where the stats have Ramza seems fishy. He goes from 50/50 on Laharl to 50/50 on Ridley and 62% on Laharl and 45% on Zidane.

I mean, I'm all for Ramza being as strong as possible, but yeah.

But who cares LET'S CHAMPION ALL THESE UNDERDOG POKEMON UPSETS UPSETS UPSETS

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#170 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/26/2013 2:33:45 PM | message detail
save_us.rat indeed
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#171 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/26/2013 2:35:58 PM | message detail
Pokemon is obviously not transitive at this point. Mewtwo, Squirtle (and to a lesser extent, Pikachu) are simply performing better than they did in Round 1.
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#172 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/26/2013 2:37:14 PM | message detail
Which means they'll be even better next round

RIP Cloud
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#173 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2013 2:37:28 PM | message detail
#174 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2013 2:37:46 PM | message detail
TheKoolAidShoto posted...
Which means they'll be even better next round

RIP Cloud


RIP Mario and Squall
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#175 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/26/2013 2:38:25 PM | message detail
I've actually thought about it, and now it seems more and more likely that anti-votes get spread around more in multi-way matches, leading to characters that draw a not-insignificant amount of anti-votes (See: Squall/Sora/Pokemon) overperforming to a degree.

Of course, that just makes things even worse for poor Master Chief.
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#176 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/26/2013 2:38:44 PM | message detail
DogFAQs vs PokeFAQs

Whoever wins, Squall loses
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#177 | Lopen | Posted 8/26/2013 2:46:22 PM | message detail
I disagree on Mewtwo performing better than he did last round. You can only chalk so much of that up to Mewtwo when Vincent lost to Phoenix Wright too.

This match too. It's hard to say for sure because Crono had super fodder and Pikachu had just normal fodder. I think they look pretty equalish on paper.

Squirtle's the only weird one there.
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#178 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/26/2013 2:49:16 PM | message detail
Mewtwo 60-40d a Phoenix Wright on steroids which he wasn't even predicted to do in 2010. Mewtwo hasn't actually been *that* strong in the past, really. Crono quadrupled post-Starcraft 2 Kerrigan which is pretty good. I'd take it over 69% on Lloyd, anyway.
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#179 | Lopen | Posted 8/26/2013 3:01:36 PM | message detail
I think Mewtwo demolishing Chester like he did suggests he was probably just stronger the whole time though.

I mean now we know that he's not that much lower than Spring Breeze and as weak as Spring Breeze was Zidane only got like 9x his votes. Mewtwo got over 20x Chester's votes.

Not that I like doing measurements through fodder but yeah just sayin there's no real evidence he necessarily jumped from r1 to r2 there. From 2010 to 2013, yeah, a little.
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#180 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/26/2013 3:02:30 PM | message detail
Reminder that Chester beat Spring Breeze Dancin' in an update by 21 votes
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#181 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/26/2013 3:14:45 PM | message detail | (edited)
Lopen posted...
I think Mewtwo demolishing Chester like he did suggests he was probably just stronger the whole time though.

I mean now we know that he's not that much lower than Spring Breeze and as weak as Spring Breeze was Zidane only got like 9x his votes. Mewtwo got over 20x Chester's votes.

Not that I like doing measurements through fodder but yeah just sayin there's no real evidence he necessarily jumped from r1 to r2 there. From 2010 to 2013, yeah, a little.


Yeah. He did deal the two biggest blowouts in contest until now (correct me if I'm wrong). You can argue that Chester is garbage, but is Zero that weak too? Sure, both are turbo-fodder, but what's the chance of the 2 weakest characters in the contest getting in the same R1 match? I think there are other characters weaker, or at least as strong, as Zero, it's just that Mewtwo is really strong.
#182 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2013 3:15:35 PM | message detail
friendly reminder that Mewtwo almost lost to Midna once
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#183 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/26/2013 3:17:51 PM | message detail
friendly reminder that pikachu got doubled by Fox McCloud
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#184 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2013 3:18:32 PM | message detail
My very first match, too

We've come a long way, Pikachu.

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#185 | most_games_r_ok | Posted 8/26/2013 5:07:08 PM | message detail
bah

knew crono would be the first to fall
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#186 | Lopen | Posted 8/26/2013 9:37:58 PM | message detail
Add 3% to Yoshi and Gilgamesh, 4% to Sora

Mathematical blunder!
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#187 | Master Moltar (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/26/2013 9:57:35 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5237
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5238

Crew Predictions - 82/94

What Happened: Cloud disappoints, Squirtle impresses

What will Happen: Cloud may experience true PokeFEAR firsthand



Crew Prediction Challenge

KP - 84
Moltar - 82
Kleenex - 81
Leon - 80
Tran - 79
Guest - 77
Lopen - 70

Crew Expert Challenge

KP - 69
Tran - 66
Moltar - 63
Leon - 62
Kleenex - 59
Guest - 54
Lopen - 49


Crew Accuracy Challenge - Kleenex and KP get Cloud, Tran gets Frog and Squirtle, Leon gets Lugia, Moltar and Tran get Dante, Moltar, Leon, and KP get Zidane

Moltar - 60
KP - 52
Leon - 49
Tran - 47
Lopen - 45
Kleenex - 40
Guest - 32 (Kuza, Kotetsu (3), Tsunami, Suor, Turtle, LMS (2), Nintendoboy, PaulG (4), Bane (3), Chris, lefty (2), tennisboy, AKJ (2), DarkFalcon, FFD, Luis (3), meche, nameplz, pjbasis, FF999)
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#188 | Master Moltar (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/26/2013 10:07:26 PM | message detail
Division 6: Round 2 - Match 98 – (2) Sora vs. (14) Gilgamesh vs. (20) Yoshimitsu

Moltar’s Analysis

Sora
Round 1 - 46.81% vs. Scorpion and Aya

Sora might have recovered a little since 2010

Gilgamesh
Round 1 - 51.75% vs. Booker and Kaim

An FFV blowout, never thought I'd see the day

Yoshimitsu
Round 1 - 42.66% vs. Lu Bu and Groose

lol groose

This is weird. Sora should go big here, but Sora never goes big. He's still not in any doubt of losing though.

As for second place, I really don't know. Liz didn't do all that badly against Kirby, so Gilgamesh could have some strength after what he did to Booker but I don't know. And then there's Yoshimitsu who won that terrible threepack but I still don't know what to make of him.

I don't even know how this match adds up to 100%.

I just don't know.

Moltar’s Prediction: Sora: 49% - Gilgamesh: 28% - Yoshimitsu: 23%



Lopen’s Analysis

I'm thinking Yoshimitsu and Gilgamesh bust out the ridiculous swordsman LFF and Sora coasts?

Then again have you seen Sora's feet? And he swings a key around.

Uhhh well whatever, when there's triple LFF no one wins... or loses, I suppose. Could be worse!

I could see some people calling for Sora to SFF Gilgamesh for Yoshi to take second-- I wouldn't do that. Although Yoshimitsu's dangerously strong EUROPE vote may do some damage. Still like Gilgamesh for #2.

Lopen's prediction:
Sora - 48.44%
Gilgamesh - 28.16%
Yoshimitsu - 23.40%



Leonhart’s Analysis

Sora: Voted Most Schizophrenic

Gilgamesh: Voted Most Persistent

Yoshimitsu: Voted Least Attractive

Sora sure is lucky he hasn’t faced anyone who can take advantage of how bad he is in night matches. While Gilgamesh and Yoshimitsu won their matches easily, they faced some horrendous competition. Neither of these guys would beat Scorpion, and Sora already beat him fairly easily. I think being FF gives Gilgamesh an edge over Yoshimitsu for second place here, but it could go either way.

Leonhart’s Vote: Sora

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Sora – 50.00%
Gilgamesh – 30.00%
Yoshimitsu – 20.00%
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#189 | Master Moltar (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/26/2013 10:08:00 PM | message detail
Kleenex’s Analysis

Gilgamesh in a round 2 match is about the only thing left in this contest that I enjoy (unless Crono won yesterday). I guess he probably has a shot at second place here, just because that Yoshimitsu 3-pack was total trash. Maybe Gilgamesh gets wrecked by Sora, but they're pretty far apart on the Square Spectrum, so I don't think that'll be the base. Sora obviously wins the match, but that was never up for debate anyway.

Kleenex's Prediction
Sora with 51.00%
Gilgamesh with 27.00%
Yoshimitsu with 22.00%



Transience’s Analysis

Sora takes first in one of the biggest r2 blowouts that doesn't include an elite character or a goddamn Pokemon. I just don't think Sora's worth a whole bunch these days now that Kingdom Hearts is a punchline. But he's good enough to beat up Scorpion and good enough to blow these two guys out of the water.

Second place is kinda similar to Frog vs. Lugia. Gilgamesh has the more impressive performance, is more in line with GameFAQs's taste, and didn't struggle to beat Lu Bu. But he's also overlapping somewhat with Sora. Plus, while Yoshimitsu isn't the most popular guy, he is pretty well-known, much moreso than Gilgamesh. But I kinda doubt that he places here.

transience's prediction:

Sora with 52%

Gilgamesh with 27%
Yoshimitsu with 21%


KP's Analysis

A yawn match. Only thing to see is whether or not Sora is screwed against Pikablue next round.

Sora - 45%
Gilgamesh - 30%
Yoshimitsu - 25%



Guest’s Analysis - Tsunami

Right, so about second-round blowouts—they just don’t happen unless there are extreme mitigating circumstances. Sephiroth appeared to have “weak competition” and only got 52.04%. Kirby appeared to have weak competition too and ended up with a mere 51.28%. Technically there is “SFF” in this match with a pair of Square characters but it’s minimal at best as the two have never shared a game. (Why haven’t there been more pre-FFVII Square characters in Kingdom Hearts games, anyway? And how did Setzer of all people manage to be the one character to pull of the feat?) Yoshimitsu still feels like the obvious third-place finisher even though he’s the odd man out in regards to genre, but then again it’s a fighting game character against two RPG characters. Taking that into consideration…

Sora 52.01%
Gilgamesh 26.91%
Yoshimitsu 21.08%




Crew Consensus: Sora defeats the baddies and heads on to the next level
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#190 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/26/2013 11:15:10 PM | message detail
Well damned if it didn't actually happen. I knew that I was trying to get "just a little closer" having percentages that were less than 0.1% away from a whole percentage, and damned if tranny didn't fall right into the trap. Wait, and my 52.01% is the high prediction, too! C'mon, Sora, hold up!
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#191 | The Mana Sword | Posted 8/26/2013 11:49:32 PM | message detail
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#192 | Master Moltar (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/27/2013 12:25:28 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5239
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5240

Crew Predictions - 83/95

What Happened: Leon did as expected and Pikachu beat Chrono Trigger

What will Happen: Pikachu looking pretty strong going into R3



Crew Prediction Challenge

KP - 85
Moltar - 84
Kleenex - 82
Leon - 81
Tran - 81
Guest - 78
Lopen - 72

Crew Expert Challenge

KP - 70
Tran - 68
Moltar - 65
Leon - 63
Kleenex - 60
Guest - 55
Lopen - 50


Crew Accuracy Challenge - Moltar gets Shadow, Moltar and Tran get Leon, KP, Leon, and Kleenex get Gordon, Lopen gets Pikachu, Tran gets Crono, Chris gets Magus

Moltar - 62
KP - 53
Leon - 50
Tran - 49
Lopen - 46
Kleenex - 41
Guest - 33 (Kuza, Kotetsu (3), Tsunami, Suor, Turtle, LMS (2), Nintendoboy, PaulG (4), Bane (3), Chris (2), lefty (2), tennisboy, AKJ (2), DarkFalcon, FFD, Luis (3), meche, nameplz, pjbasis, FF999)
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#193 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 5:02:28 AM | message detail
KP threatening to win all three competitions

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#194 | Master Moltar (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/27/2013 7:30:16 AM | message detail
Division 6: Round 2 - Match 99 – (25) Mr. Game and Watch vs. (4) Nathan Drake vs. (12) Pokemon Trainer Blue

Moltar’s Analysis

Game and Watch
Round 1 - 39.74% vs. Lee and Meat Boy

Hard to believe G&W won a match

Drake
Round 1 - 41.80% vs. Pac-Man and Steve

He's more than your average McDude

Blue
Round 1 - 48.16% vs. Fox and Wolf

Pokemon does well, it's kind of a theme for this contest

I'd take Fox over Drake, and Blue looks to be equal to or a bit stronger than Fox. Therefore, give me the Pokemon Trainer to win.

Also Game and Watch is going to get hit hard here.

Moltar’s Prediction: Game and Watch: 15% - Drake: 38% - Blue: 47%



Lopen’s Analysis

On the one hand, you think maybe G&W will LFF Blue enough for Drake to have a chance. I mean, think of it this way... Pac-Man & Red >= Ocelot, Drake > Pac-Man. Pretty straightforward stuff, right? Now let's ignore the years these results actually happened for a moment... no go?

Okay, fine...

PokeFAQs was here, Drake is a loser. There, ya happy?

Lopen's prediction:
Blue - 47.35%
Nathan Drake - 40.17%
G&W - 12.48%



Leonhart’s Analysis

Mr. Game & Watch: Voted Most Shallow

Nathan Drake: Voted Most Talkative

Pokemon Trainer Blue: Voted Biggest Troll

As much as I’d love to see Drake win this, I just can’t see it. He didn’t look impressive enough against Pac-Man, and we’ve already seen repeatedly that Nintendo fans don’t care to completely fodderize one of their own to ensure the other advances. G&W probably isn’t that strong on his own anyway, so Blue shouldn’t have any problem laying the smack down here. Still rooting for Drake to do something crazy, but I ain’t bettin’ on it.

Leonhart’s Vote: Nathan Drake

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Pokemon Trainer Blue – 51.00%
Nathan Drake – 35.00%
Mr. Game & Watch – 14.00%



Kleenex’s Analysis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFO5t9rbYNY

Kleenex's Prediction
Game & Watch with 29.00%
Drake with 26.00%
Blue with 45.00%


Transience’s Analysis

I have a blue house with a blue window.
Blue is the color of all that I wear.
Blue are the streets and all the trees are too.
I have a girlfriend and she is so blue.
Blue are the people here that walk around,
Blue like my corvette, it's standing outside.
Blue are the words I say and what I think.
Blue are the feelings that live inside me.

transience's prediction:

Blue with 48%

Drake with 41%
Game and Watch with 11%


KP's Analysis

Drake might've been a debatable first place pick at the start of Round 2. Not so much anymore.

Pokefear - 45%
Drake - 33%
MGAW - 22%



Guest’s Analysis - FantasyFreak

Pokémon has been really scary in this competition so far. Squirtle, Mewtwo, Pikachu, and Charizard have all been dominating in their matchups, and Blue managed to squeak by Fox, who should normally be able to beat him. Now he gets to face off against Nathan Drake. Will this surge of popularity of the series be enough to propel him past Drake? Maybe.

I say maybe because Game and Watch is there too. While G&W doesn't have any shot of not coming in last place, he can still possibly bring Blue down... but I don't think that Drake is quite strong enough to capitalize on it. I think Blue is going to squeeze by again.

Blue - 42.56 %
Drake - 37.87 %
G&W - 19.57 %



Crew Consensus: Smell ya later
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#195 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 7:32:46 AM | message detail
#196 | Lopen | Posted 8/27/2013 7:37:20 AM | message detail
Blue's one of the only Pokemon characters in the bracket I actually like but at this point I just want Pokemon to lose something it's not expected to just to freshen things up
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#197 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 7:38:33 AM | message detail
It'd be ironic if Drake beat a Pokemon considering he's wearing a suit...!
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#198 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/27/2013 7:41:59 AM | message detail
Clearly Vincent's performance was because people thought he was Drake Blue to get 85% confirmed.
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#200 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/27/2013 8:39:32 AM | message detail
You are giving Drake too much percentage.He struggled to beat Pac-Man.Blue will get higher percentage than round 1.
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