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#151 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 10:33:47 PM | message detail
You don't have to be impressive to beat Pac-Man! That's the thing I don't get here. We're holding up Pac-Man like he's some big shot. He's never been that. You don't have to be something special to beat him.
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#152 | ZFS | Posted 8/3/2013 10:33:59 PM | message detail
Except he isn't anything like other generic dudes. Weird comparison to make. He's also far more known than any of these other guys.
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#153 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/3/2013 10:34:53 PM | message detail
I don't think it's very fair to compare Drake to the other Generic McDudes. He'll have some of the issues they do, but he's gotten a lot more 'press' than losers like Alan Wake.
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#154 | transience | Posted 8/3/2013 10:35:18 PM | message detail
Pac Man is nothing special. Drake should rock him.

it's doubting Drake as a guy who can carry a poll that gets people to pick Pac Man. no one thinks Pac Man is strong.
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#155 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 10:35:24 PM | message detail
I think Drake wins with a big draw in the poll but I'm just skeptical UC has the playrate on this site yet without Pac-Man losing his "its Pac-Man!" votes. Even with the PS3 gaining ground it still only has 65% ownership as of the last poll. That's sufficient but what percentage of PS3 owners have played a UC game here? If it's as high as 2/3 of owners that's still kinda iffy territory.
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#156 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 10:38:08 PM | message detail
Honestly, it's probably better for Drake that he doesn't need 50% of the vote to win than for Pac-Man. He doesn't need to have half the voters recognize him. He just needs like 1/3.
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#157 | ZFS | Posted 8/3/2013 10:38:33 PM | message detail
Yeah, characters like Booker and Lee and Alan Wake and Niko are kind of their own thing. Drake has the regular guy design, with a much more in your face personality. Those other guys might as well be blank slates for most people.
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#158 | ZFS | Posted 8/3/2013 10:39:57 PM | message detail
It has 67% compared to 53% back in 2010. Pretty big jump, I think. And Uncharted has only gotten more popular with it. U3 is free on the PS3, even!
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#159 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 10:40:32 PM | message detail
You know, if Drake had beaten The Boss back in 2010, his perception is probably different even though he didn't even lose by that much. Then he would've gotten 45%+ on WCC and people would've been like, "Hey Drake is decent AND he's had UC3 since last time, too!"
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#160 | 3DSRage | Posted 8/3/2013 10:41:15 PM | message detail
Just my two cents, but having Steve in the poll gives Drake an edge, imo.
#161 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 10:42:03 PM | message detail | (edited)
Basically it comes down to name me a successful new character from this gen that isn't multiplatform.

I just think this generation has been too disjointed as far as ownership goes. Like there was no system that utterly dominated like the PS2.

If Dante and Kratos debuted this gen they probably aren't that good either, sadly. Then again Master Chief has been decent despite being on a minority system so maybe I'm just underestimating how well a guy can do with a system that isn't near universally owned. Time will tell.

I'm just saying if the UC series is also on the 360 I take Drake here without thinking. As it is ehhh.
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#162 | ZFS | Posted 8/3/2013 10:43:27 PM | message detail
I kinda think Uncharted is popular enough that it doesn't matter too much about other systems. I mean, across three games the series has sold nearly 20 million copies. It's pretty huge, despite being on one system.
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#163 | Xuxon | Posted 8/3/2013 10:44:24 PM | message detail
in MC's case, just about everyone has at least played Halo on someone else's Xbox. he didn't even really gain any lasting popularity on here after the 360 released.
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#164 | transience | Posted 8/3/2013 10:44:32 PM | message detail
Uncharted is popular. I just don't trust anything that debuted after 2005.
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#165 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/3/2013 10:50:11 PM | message detail
RIP Shepard > Aerith
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#166 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 10:51:19 PM | message detail
Shepard still got it in the bag
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#167 | Jakyl25 | Posted 8/3/2013 10:51:55 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
I kinda think Uncharted is popular enough that it doesn't matter too much about other systems. I mean, across three games the series has sold nearly 20 million copies. It's pretty huge, despite being on one system.


Know what else was pretty huge?

Pac-Man
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#168 | ZFS | Posted 8/3/2013 10:52:25 PM | message detail
It sure was. Over thirty years ago!
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#169 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 10:53:30 PM | message detail
Raise your hand if you've played a game of Pac-Man in the last decade
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#170 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 10:53:55 PM | message detail
Also if you've got something that matters more than STEVE as a #3 I also take Drake. This is basically going to more or less be a 1v1 though I think. The more STEVE takes the more it hurts Pac-Man though I think so if Kleenex is even close to right Drake should have it easily.
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#171 | hylianknight3 | Posted 8/3/2013 10:54:10 PM | message detail
*raises hand*
#172 | Dr_Football | Posted 8/3/2013 10:54:19 PM | message detail
*Raises hand*

lets go blowout
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#173 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 10:54:26 PM | message detail
*raises hand*

I've played Pac-Man in the last year in fact!
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#174 | ZFS | Posted 8/3/2013 10:54:30 PM | message detail
Like, Pac-Man can still win if people don't care about Drake here, but that's really how Pac-Man wins - no one likes the other person.
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#175 | Jakyl25 | Posted 8/3/2013 10:54:46 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Raise your hand if you've played a game of Pac-Man in the last decade


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Man_Championship_Edition_DX
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#176 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/3/2013 10:54:48 PM | message detail
Pac-Man Championship Edition is one of the finest games of the generation
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#177 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 10:54:58 PM | message detail
Oh right, I forgot we were on FogeyFAQs

Better change my Oracle
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#178 | ZFS | Posted 8/3/2013 10:56:38 PM | message detail
Pac-Man Championship Deluxe is A++.
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#179 | The Mana Sword | Posted 8/3/2013 11:03:13 PM | message detail
I expect a Draven-esque comeback by the time I wake up.
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#180 | Dr_Football | Posted 8/3/2013 11:07:54 PM | message detail
well that was a fun update
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#181 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 11:15:49 PM | message detail
Welcome to the League of Steve
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#182 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 11:20:11 PM | message detail
Steve's going up like 1% every update

Rallying starting early this time
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#183 | ZFS | Posted 8/3/2013 11:25:16 PM | message detail
Looks like Drake kinda sucks.
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#184 | transience | Posted 8/3/2013 11:30:51 PM | message detail
I kinda like Drake's chances here, but yeah, he's not worth much. he's basically like Ocelot was 8 years ago.
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#185 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 11:32:47 PM | message detail
Drake's chances of being more than a low midcarder weren't really that great. I just figured he had enough to get past Pac-Man.

He still might. Night vote should go his way.
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#186 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 11:36:11 PM | message detail
I like Drake if for no other reason than if Pac can't put it away I suspect Drake might get "rallied" in the morning as has happened for many board favorites close to the end of the poll. If this is a squeaker Drake wins and I think it will be.
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#187 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2013 12:29:43 AM | message detail
Icons: 100
Generic McDudes: 1

Drake finally got the team on the board!

(Assuming this holds anyway)
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#188 | Master Moltar (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/4/2013 2:36:16 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5193
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5194

Crew Predictions - 48/52

What Happened: Yoshimitsu and Game and Watch win matches and destroy brackets

What will Happen: Neither are going to surprise in R2, they weak.



Crew Prediction Challenge - tough stuff

Kleenex - 48
Moltar - 47
KP - 47
Leon - 45
Tran - 43
Guest - 43
Lopen - 41

Crew Expert Challenge - kleenex growing his lead

Kleenex - 39
Tran - 38
KP - 38
Leon - 37
Moltar - 36
Guest - 32
Lopen - 29


Crew Accuracy Challenge - Tran gets Groose, KP gets Lu Bu and Lee, Tran gets Yoshimitsu, Lopen gets Meat, Moltar gets Game

Moltar - 35
Leon - 26
Tran - 27
Lopen - 25
Kleenex - 21
KP - 21
Guest - 17 (Kuza, Kotetsu (2), Tsunami, Suor, Turtle, LMS (2), Nintendoboy, PaulG (4), Bane, Chris, lefty (2))
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#189 | Master Moltar (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/4/2013 9:39:32 AM | message detail
Division 6: Round 1 - Match 54 – (7) Fox McCloud vs. (12) Pokemon Trainer Blue vs. (21) Wolf O'Donnell

Moltar’s Analysis

Fox
Landmaster!

Blue
Personally, I prefer the air. (Falco's blue so it's close enough)

Wolf
*howls*

And this tough division ends with another tough match to call. Fox is the strongest character here, but Wolf is an anchor. Blue is Pokemon and has a good chance of taking advantage of the Space Animal split to win.

I am going to bet against that though. Red isn't all that strong and Blue is going to be beneath him. He's also not a playable character like Red is in the games, he's the rival. Between that, and a stronger playable Nintendo character being here, I don't like Blue's chances.

Fox is going to need to smash Wolf into the ground here (no pun intended). If Wolf does better than a 2:1 split, then I'm very worried about Fox to win. I'm thinking 70-30 would be good enough.

Moltar’s Prediction: Fox: 42% - Blue: 40% - Wolf: 18%



Lopen’s Analysis

NUMBER CRUNCH ALERT

I originally had Blue here just as a gut pick cause you know, who actually analyzes with stats and stuff, but then I really got to thinking about how I think the match goes. After actually you know... analyzing this... Fox losing seems unlikely.

Basically it's not unreasonable to think that Wolf will be directly siphoning Fox. So the questions you have to ask yourself are two here:

1. How much does Fox get on Wolf
2. How much does Fox get on Blue without Wolf there (since Fox + Wolf will be virtually identical to Fox in terms of poll strength)

Fox gets 55% on Red pre-sff by X-STATZ... that seems reasonable to me. Say blue it's actually 60-40%, since he's probably a bit weaker. So for me that means Blue is getting about 40% here if he doesn't get SFFed.

Now the question here is can Fox + Wolf's remaining 60% go significantly enough to Wolf to get Blue the win. I'm thinking Fox probably 80-20s him, which means he cannot, as Wolf will only be taking 12% of the 60 there. Even if Fox only 70-30s him Wolf is only at 18% which means Fox wins 42-40. And this is all assuming that Blue doesn't eat any SFF of his own. Even if you assume it's 55-45 Fox Blue scrapes by in an 80-20% split.

I see a very slight chance Blue gets rallied, and that might be enough to win, if it's a 70-30 split, but Blue shouldn't actually be the favorite here, I don't think, and any reasonable expectations of strength say this won't even be close. You stat people should know better.

Lopen's prediction:
Fox - 47.35%
Blue - 40.20%
Wolf - 12.45%



Leonhart’s Analysis

I know people are big on POKEFEAR this year, but I feel pretty good about Fox. Remember that match in 2007 when it was Fox/Captain Falcon/Wario/Banjo? Fox got over 45% in that match. I know Pokemon has had good success resisting LFF in the past, but I don’t really get this idea that Blue is going to be completely and totally immune to it to the point that he’s going to beat Fox, who is stronger than people seem to believe. I don’t expect Blue to ride any sort of momentum from the Rivalry Rumble. Those matches should be thrown out for all intents and purposes here because they don’t really matter. I mean, Blue could win and I wouldn’t be totally surprised, but I think Fox wins this more easily than the board expects.

Leonhart’s Vote: Fox McCloud

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Fox McCloud – 45.00%
Pokemon Trainer Blue – 34.00%
Wolf O’Donnell – 21.00%
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#190 | Master Moltar (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/4/2013 9:39:40 AM | message detail
Kleenex’s Analysis

I hate this match. I don't think Wolf holds Fox down all to much here, but after how well Pokemon has been doing so far, it's tough to be sure that Blue won't take this one. The question remains, though, is how much do people actually care about the human characters in Pokemon games. N bombed, sure, but he was from Gen 5. Red didn't look that great in 2010 against Ocelot, but did against Mega Man X. There's also that whole Rivalry Rumble fiasco, and as much as I would rather discredit anything from that contest, there's definitely something to it.

Pokemon appears to be on a pretty severe nostalgia kick this year, and betting against it seems like bad business. I really hope I'm wrong, though.

Kleenex's Prediction
Fox with 38.00%
The Accursed Pokemon with 45.00%
Wolf with 17.00%



Transience’s Analysis

Fox is probably stronger than Blue (though when it comes to RBY stuff, all bets are off). But what about when you throw Wolf into the poll? I don't honestly think many people care about Wolf -- maybe Falco, but not Wolf. I don't think he hurts Fox much. But if he hurts Fox at all, he'll probably lose to Blue.

I don't think there is a real argument here, you either think Blue is decent enough to beat a slightly hampered Fox or not. I'll go with the Pokemon guy.

transience's prediction: Blue with 45%, Fox with 40%, Wolf with 15%



KP's Analysis

SMELL YA LATER

Gary Oak - 42%
Fox - 40%
Wolf - 18%



Guest’s Analysis - tennisboy213

I was happy to see Blue make the bracket as I nominated him and Pokemon RBY is either my favorite or second favorite game of all-time. Other than Jigglypuff, first-gen pokemon have always shown to have significant strength. Pokemon humans in general are weaker, however.

That said, I think Blue is underrated. A one on one match with Fox would be closer than people think. Also, Rivalry Rumble.

Fox McCloud has always shown to be a solid midcarder and he would probably beat Blue 1 on 1. However, Fox has been paired with one of only two other Star Fox characters in the contest in Wolf O'Oonnell. Even a little LFF could be the difference in this match.

It's been suggested that Fox could SFF Blue, but I don't see it happening much if at all. While they are both Nintendo, Blue is a Gameboy character and Fox is an SNES/N64/SSB character. Blue is also a Pokemon character, and Pokemon characters are pretty resistant to SFF. I see Blue getting around 45%, and I feel there will be enough LFF for him to eek out a win.

tennisboy213's Prediction

Fox McCloud - 40.20%
Pokemon Trainer Blue - 45.28%
Wolf O'Donnell - 14.52%



Crew Consensus: Blue is the slight favorite over Fox
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#191 | th3l3fty | Posted 8/4/2013 10:41:28 AM | message detail
man I really want to pick Fox but NOSTALGIA
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#192 | transcience | Posted 8/4/2013 10:44:02 AM | message detail
thought Fox would be the favourite for sure, especially with this Crew
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#193 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/4/2013 10:48:22 AM | message detail
I think Fox should be the favorite, I just feel really weird about that match. If Blue channels even a tiny bit of his Rivalry Rumble showing, Fox is toast.
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#194 | transcience | Posted 8/4/2013 11:03:52 AM | message detail
dat Wolf. while doing my writeup I realized than no one would ever vote Wolf with Fox in the poll. I should have buried him.
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#195 | most_games_r_ok | Posted 8/4/2013 11:10:15 AM | message detail
If only Blue can keep this up
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#196 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/4/2013 11:11:59 AM | message detail
SMELL YA LATER LOSERS
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#197 | th3l3fty | Posted 8/4/2013 11:12:16 AM | message detail
this is the best
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#198 | The Mana Sword | Posted 8/4/2013 11:16:49 AM | message detail
LOL at certain people who thought the fox/wolf split would be 60/40

still this is stupid
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#199 | transcience | Posted 8/4/2013 11:16:53 AM | message detail
Drake/Blue/Game and Watch is interesting
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#200 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/4/2013 11:17:34 AM | message detail
Not as interesting as Link/Blue/Charizard
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