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Character Battle VIII Contest Analysis Crew - Part 7

transients | Posted 3/10/2010 11:50:43 PM | message detail | filter | #251
he didn't die like other Nintendo characters would have! there is no way Fox gets even close to Luigi there.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/10/2010 11:50:49 PM | message detail | filter | #252
From the stats-topic:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/detail.php?board=8&topic=53839086&message=592983799

They've not far apart by any means except when Pikachu hulks up once a contest.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2010 11:51:33 PM | message detail | filter | #253
Pokemon doesn't get SFF'd by a whole lot of anything. That doesn't really mean much to me. Luigi still ended up with nearly 56% by direct comparison, which is close to what Fox got on Sora.
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Draco1214 | Posted 3/10/2010 11:52:39 PM | message detail | filter | #254
50/50? wow, I'd never go that far. PIkachu almost beat Luigi and got damn close to Samus.

He also got like 42% on Leon.
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transients | Posted 3/10/2010 11:53:03 PM | message detail | filter | #255
I think Pikachu is wonky as hell. I think he does well against elite comp and poorly against scrubs. that's why he gets 46% on Crono and 56% on Ike or whatever it was. he's just bizarre.

Snake is elite instead of a bum, so I expect a nice performance. sprite pic doesn't hurt either.
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transients | Posted 3/10/2010 11:53:29 PM | message detail | filter | #256
heh, Leon also got like 42% on Pikachu.

yay Pikachu
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2010 11:53:30 PM | message detail | filter | #257
Yeah, but Fox is a bum, so what about that!
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transients | Posted 3/10/2010 11:54:04 PM | message detail | filter | #258
also that was in the SPRITE ROUND

SPRITEFEAR
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/10/2010 11:55:00 PM | message detail | filter | #259
Pikachu beat L-Block in the sprite round. I fear Sprite Pikachu.

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red sox 777 | Posted 3/10/2010 11:57:37 PM | message detail | filter | #260
Fear fear fear!
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2010 11:58:19 PM | message detail | filter | #261
Snake to have 70% by the freeze and go UP on the second update

Book it
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transients | Posted 3/10/2010 11:58:51 PM | message detail | filter | #262
sounds like more rat hate
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2010 11:59:21 PM | message detail | filter | #263
More like Snake > Link fear
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transients | Posted 3/10/2010 11:59:47 PM | message detail | filter | #264
can't hear you over all this Missingno
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transients | Posted 3/11/2010 12:00:19 AM | message detail | filter | #265
man, Leon, you're on a roll lately!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/11/2010 12:01:53 AM | message detail | filter | #266
Ladies and gentlemen, Sprite Pikachu

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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 12:02:27 AM | message detail | filter | #267
Pikachu Sprite a Noble Niner confirmed
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transients | Posted 3/11/2010 12:02:43 AM | message detail | filter | #268
the shame is that we'll blame the picture instead of giving Pikachu his due yet again.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/11/2010 12:03:10 AM | message detail | filter | #269
GLORIOUS
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transients | Posted 3/11/2010 12:03:34 AM | message detail | filter | #270
everyone should just be grateful this isn't a day match or else something really awful could happen.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 12:04:43 AM | message detail | filter | #271
Also, good luck, Sephiroth.

At least Snake doing poorly gives me a reason to get on the SQUALL > SNAKE bandwagon next round yeehaw!
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2010 12:07:52 AM | message detail | filter | #272
Pika Pika?

Well, Snake winning this one narrowly is about the best result I could have hoped for. If Pikachu wins, I think there would be backlash directed against Missingno which would ruin his chances against Seph.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi
transience | Posted 3/11/2010 12:21:15 AM | message detail | filter | #273
real quick:

- what does Snake get on Bowser with a real picture?
- what does Snake get on Yoshi with a real picture?

I would say that it wouldn't be a whole lot more, and Snake's got the added advantage of this being a night match. that probably makes this somewhat equal.

Snake sucks this year
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 12:22:11 AM | message detail | filter | #274
I think I'm gonna hang out in here for a while. This is the stats topic bombshell.

Squall > Snake CHOO CHOOOOOOO
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 12:22:22 AM | message detail | filter | #275
Bomb shelter, rather.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/11/2010 12:22:25 AM | message detail | filter | #276
I don't think this result means anything for Snake, honestly. We've seen Pikachu do this before.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/11/2010 12:22:46 AM | message detail | filter | #277
Squall > Snake would be excellent.
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transience | Posted 3/11/2010 12:23:54 AM | message detail | filter | #278
oh god time to look

...what is a Boardy
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 12:24:22 AM | message detail | filter | #279

From: transience | #278
oh god time to look

...what is a Boardy


The Boardies are Icehawk's annual Board 8 award "show."
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/11/2010 12:25:28 AM | message detail | filter | #280
Curses.

Oh well, best 25 minutes since Phoenix > Magus.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 12:25:54 AM | message detail | filter | #281
More like worst 25 minutes since the last time Squall lost a match.
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transience | Posted 3/11/2010 12:25:56 AM | message detail | filter | #282
oh, well congrats to Chris for winning something in it

on to more important things, I still claim that Shepard could hang with Fox!
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/11/2010 12:31:22 AM | message detail | filter | #283
The next time Squall loses is later today!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 12:32:39 AM | message detail | filter | #284

From: HaRRicH | #283
The next time Squall loses is later today!


If that's the case, then this won't even be the worst match of the day!
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transience | Posted 3/11/2010 12:36:00 AM | message detail | filter | #285
Snake's doing fine here, really. that there is a 57% update, which is what most of us predicted. we're not even out of the power hour yet.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 12:36:48 AM | message detail | filter | #286
Yeah, Snake will end up doing okay by the end of this deal, but it didn't really matter if he won this match with 50.01% or 100%, just as long as he won.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/11/2010 12:37:40 AM | message detail | filter | #287
...Pikachu is winning Europe!

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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/11/2010 12:37:40 AM | message detail | filter | #288
Yeah, I thought I was sitting pretty with a 55% Oracle but it looks like Snake's going to steamroll past that.

And I forgot Auron/Squall is tomorrow! Come on, Auron, come through for me so I don't have to care who wins Bowser/Charizard!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 12:38:31 AM | message detail | filter | #289
Those European Pokefreaks are insomniacs, I tell ya! All the Snake voters are sleeping!

It looks like they didn't learn from the The End battle in MGS3!
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/11/2010 12:39:39 AM | message detail | filter | #290
I'm really rooting for Auron tomorrow though I've barely played FFX and KH. It's time to prove my years-long upset right, dangit.

I don't even have a good sig for Leon ready if it does happen though...I'll think of something hopefully.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 12:40:26 AM | message detail | filter | #291
I don't even have a good sig for Leon ready if it does happen though

Don't bother wasting your time! You won't need it!
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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 3/11/2010 2:36:00 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #292
Cloud Strife 69.93% 37679
Captain Falcon 30.07% 16200
TOTAL VOTES 53879

Leon Kennedy 43.12% 29110
Ryu 56.88% 38402
TOTAL VOTES 67512


Crew Predictions - 90/104

What Happened: Cloud easily takes out Falcon and Ryu beats...pixel man with gun.

Why it Happened: Cloud may have started bad, but definitely recovered and ended on a respectable note. Ryu also had a strong showing, but it's likely that Leon's awful sprite helped him look good.

What will Happen: Cloud will wreck Ryu.



Crew Prediction Challenge - free points


Moltar - 96
Kleenex - 95
Red Sox - 94
Ngamer - 94
Tran - 94
Lopen - 90
Guest - 89



Crew Accuracy Challenge - Red Sox and Moltar get points for Cloud and Moltar gets the point for Ryu

Moltar - 21
Ngamer - 20
Guest - 19.5 (Bio: 2.5, CM: 2, Marsman: 1, FF999: 3, vcharon: 1, Luis: 1, GfK: 2, War: 1, Turtle: 2, Smashy: 1, Ngirl: 1, Luster: 1, Curt: 1)
Lopen - 14
Tran - 14
Red Sox - 10.5
Kleenex - 7
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Moltar Status: Prediction: Snake > Pikachu (138/176)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 3:02:23 AM | message detail | filter | #293
Ryu breaks 40% on a Noble Niner like he always does!
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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 3/11/2010 11:19:12 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #294
Gear Division: Round 3 - Match 110 – (3) Auron vs. (2) Squall Leonhart

Moltar’s Analysis

Auron
Round 1 - 57.64% vs. Aerith
Round 2 - 56.69% vs. Zero

Another expected Auron performance

Squall
Round 1 - 68.01% vs. Akuma
Round 2 - 64.52% vs. Terra

Wait…what

This is a cool match. Squall/Auron has been debated for a pretty long time. Time to find out who wins this battle of the Square near-elites! Squall was the big favorite pre-contest because while Auron has looked good over the years, Squall has looked slightly better.

2005? Auron loses to Ganon 55-45 while Squall is pretty much even with Vincent (and Vincent > Ganon one year later)
2006? Auron loses to a weaker Crono with 45% while Squall gets 42% on a beast Snake who beat Sonic who beat Crono.

Admittedly, Auron is probably the winner in four-ways seeing as how he’s beaten Sonic, something with Squall failed to do several times. It’s really hard to say anything conclusive about their 2007 and 2008 runs seeing as how both kept getting hit by SFF/LFF.

Now we’ve hit this contest, and Terra match aside, both characters have done pretty much as expected. I went into the match thinking that Squall is the favorite, and I’ve seen no reason to change my mind, especially from Auron. Terra can be explained as DISSIDIA BOOST, so I still think Squall will edge out Auron in a close one.

Moltar’s Bracket: Squall > Auron

Moltar’s Prediction: Auron: 49% - Squall: 51%



Lopen’s Analysis

The battle of disappointments, but both of their opponents had reason to do well last round so I don't think you can take much from it. I figure Squall's going to get support in a rout here because people are like "Squall > Zero and there wasn't much breathing room"

Well I won't go against this, I still like Squall here, but not necessarily because I think Squall's a lock to do 7% better than Zero. More just Squall vs Auron in a SFF match I have a hard time buying more of the vote going Auron's way. "Gut." Ha ha ha... yeah. Should be a close one much like Squall/Vincent was back in the day, but Squall's more proven in SFF situations so yeah let's go with him.

Lopen's prediction:
Squall with 50.53%



Transience’s Analysis

Here's a big match. Ever since 2006, we've had an argument going on about Auron, Squall, Tifa and Vincent. All are top 15 characters. All have had new spinoffs and movies and all that good stuff. They all seem to be about the same strength, but who does the fanbase prefer?

If you go on pure strength and recognizability, you take Squall in this match. You can make arguments for Auron if you bend the numbers enough, but ultimately Squall has had the better performances. He performed a little better against Aeris than Auron did this year. He's been in more games. He's a main character and has a more central role in the KH series. He's just more relevant than Auron.

But Auron's got this fan-favourite thing going on, and this isn't a matchup of strength. This match is all about who the fanbase prefers. Auron's had this argument in his favour for years:

- what's more popular, FF8 or FF10? (answer: FF10)
- is Auron as liked within the FF10 fanbase as Squall is within the FF8 fanbase? (yes)
- now that Auron has KH2 and is apparently pretty awesome in it, what advantage does Squall now have over him?

It's a solid argument and I think it has some merit. People on average just seem to like Auron more than Squall. In matches with overlap, Auron has fared better than Squall has. Both get murdered by Cloud, but Auron has stood up better over the years. Auron's also withstood Sephiroth a couple of times and not gotten killed.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 3/11/2010 11:19:43 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #295
And yet I'm backing Squall here -- don't even ask me why. It's an x-stat thing, it's a matter of him being more relevant, and it's that Auron has never once looked stronger than him. He might beat him in a heads-up match but Squall looks to be the stronger character. Auron will have to prove it to me.

Also, this is a day match and Squall's probably better in the day than Auron is. This match probably isn't that close but it's tough to say who wins. Then again, I said the same thing about Squall/Vincent and we all saw how that turned out.

transience's prediction: Squall with 52.45%



Ngamer’s Analysis

Quickie w/ Ng: I like that Squall doesn't get his insane dead hours vote, I like that Auron's sporting the bigger swordzzzz, I like that he gets to face Smilin' Squall, and I like that Auron has looked more impressive through the first two rounds. But what I REALLY like is how I'm 2 for 2 in willing upsets to happen when my bracket's life depends on it. Let's keep a good thing going!

Ngamer Says: Auron > Squall, 50.11%



Kleenex’s Analysis

No time for a big fancy analysis for this match. Squall's been better than Auron forever and I see no reason for that to flip now. Squall should win this fairly easily.

Squall with 54.78%



Red Sox’s Analysis

This is a match that I'm sure some people will provide a lot of analysis and commentary on. I'm not sure who the guest is, but there are multiple people at least who could be guests who will probably provide us with a wall of text. I'm not going to, because the match has never interested me that much. That doesn't mean I'm confident about the result, but Squall has always seemed just a little bit stronger than Auron to me, and therefore a fairly clear, yet not heavy, favorite. That is, I thought there were good reasons Squall deserves to be the favorite, but those reasons do not give him a terribly high probability of winning.

After what we've seen this contest, I don't think there's even a great case for Squall being the favorite anymore, though I guess he remains favorite until proven otherwise.

Let's compare them through the years:

2006: 42% on Snake vs. 45.5% on Crono- Advantage Squall
2007: 49% on Sonic with Sora, then Snake in the poll vs. 57% on Ryu- Even
2008: 58% on Yoshi vs. 54% on Sonic- Even
2009: 64.5% on Terra vs. 56.5% on Zero, 57.5% on Aeris- Even

Actually, I'm just going to base my prediction on Aeris, since Squall faced her in 2007 too, getting about half a percent higher than Auron did. But I guess Auron would have done better in a 24-hour match making it even closer......

Prediction: Squall with 50.24%
Upset Potential: 48%
Upper Bound: Squall with 55%
Lower Bound: Auron with 55%



Guest’s Analysis - Leonhart

This is the showdown I’ve been waiting all contest to see. Both characters have done just about as expected up to this point (Squall’s performance on Terra looks better in retrospect after Bowser whipped Sora the other way), so this is hopefully going to be an epic duel for the ages, a la Squall/Vincent 2005, only with a better winner!
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 3/11/2010 11:20:18 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #296
Personally, I think Squall’s always been a little bit ahead of Auron. If you look at their 2006 matches (which should give us some pretty clean extrapolation through Snake, Sonic, and Crono), Squall wins with 52.50% of the vote. That’s not a huge margin of victory, of course, but close enough that it wouldn’t be in doubt.

But then again, that was three years ago. The only problem is that this is basically the only clean read we’ve EVER gotten on Auron other than maybe 2005. In 2003, he faced Cloud. In 2004, he faced Sephiroth. In 2005, he faced Ganondorf (who was on Villains Contest ‘roids) who then faced Samus, maybe a little SFF there. In 2007, he faced Cloud. In 2008, he faced Sephiroth. Auron looked great the last two years though. He smoked Ryu and Bowser in round 2 in 2007 and almost beat Ryu in round 3 in spite of Cloud. He beat Sonic easily in 2008. That one victory over Sonic is probably the best evidence Auron’s got in his corner to win because he beat him and Squall couldn’t do it in two tries in 2007. In Squall’s defense, Sonic got announced for Brawl in the middle of that contest, so I think if the Blue Blur hadn’t gotten that announcement during the contest, he would have beaten him, too, but that’s purely conjecture, obviously.

This is a match that could go either way. There’s really no clear favorite in this match, no performance that clearly puts one character above the other. I think that’s one of the things that makes this match so intriguing. Both characters are very strong, and they both have solid arguments for winning. And while I know Dissidia hasn’t really helped New Square noticeably, it might be enough to put or keep Squall over the top here, just a minor X-Factor. Hopefully, it’ll be a good one!

Leonhart’s Vote: Squall Leonhart

Leonhart’s Anticipation Level: As high as it’s been all contest

Leonhart’s Prediction: Squall Leonhart with 52.50%



Crew Consensus: Auron has one supporter while the majority goes with Squall.
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/11/2010 11:26:02 AM | message detail | filter | #297
Everybody picked the same character but one.

Yeah, I'm not gonna touch that one.
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EyeBeeTeeBee | Posted 3/11/2010 11:40:00 AM | message detail | filter | #298
dammit crew
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2010 11:48:07 AM | message detail | filter | #299
About time groupthink gets one right.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
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Draco1214 | Posted 3/11/2010 11:50:48 AM | message detail | filter | #300
Come on Crew Curse!
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