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Character Battle VIII Contest Analysis Crew - Part 5
That argument has and always will be terrible. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
WORKED FOR MARIO/SAMUS! --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
When has it ever not worked in a SFF situation? --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
When's the last time Pokemon has ever gotten SFFd? --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
Stats > Common Sense And from a common sense perspective, Charizard/Bowser is not obvious at all. NES Generation: Bowser > Charizard SNES Generation: Bowser > Charizard N64 Generation: Charizard > Bowser GC Generation: Dunno, isn't a large fanbase anyway --- Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi |
its so awesome charizard is beating kratos --- -It's my job to keep punk rock elite- NoFx |
How much do we think Charizard beats Mewtwo by anyway? --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Pikachu vs Fox Pikachu vs Samus OKAY SO THEY'RE ALL PIKACHU SO WHAT --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
when
was the last time Pokemon beat a main Nintendo character? Bowser,
Luigi, Samus -- all these guys have handled Pokemon in the past. not
feelin' that upset at all. I could get behind it if I thought Charizard was naturally stronger, but I don't think he is. I'd take Sora or Bowser to get about 60% on Kratos. --- xyzzy |
I
also wouldn't write off L-Block. I don't have any idea how to gauge
what could beat L. I wouldn't say "Charizard would get more than 60% on
isaac so of course he'll beat L-Block." L-Block doesn't roll like that. --- xyzzy |
Mewtwo got 42% on Ganondorf- that's pretty good. Ganon > Bowser and Charizard > Mewtwo. --- Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi |
GC generation: Bowser > Charizard because Bowser was in Melee and Charizard wasn't. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
If you think that Charizard is just plain weaker, okay. But arguments like 'It's common sense!' or 'SFF match, so obvious!' are just stupid. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
L-Block wouldn't even beat Kratos. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
Just saying, if Charizard > Pikachu, Luigi > Bowser, and HG/SS comes out the day of their match in a day-battle: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2921 It's not unfeasible a bit. No guarantee, but it'll be close and I like Charizard there. --- T E A M C H O C O L A T E http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7355/64590879.png |
From: red sox 777 | #211 That's pretty good, but Bowser gets 45% at bare minimum against Ganondorf. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW |
From: KamikazePotato | #213 Well, I think the 64% on Duke vs. 62% on Kefka is a misleading statistic as it stands, but that's basically all Charizard's got going for him. I take Frog over Duke without worrying about it. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
GC generation: Bowser > Charizard because Bowser was in Melee and Charizard wasn't. Bowser was a joke in Melee, sadly, and Mario is just generally not nearly as big with this generation as with past generations. It's why SMG is so weak and part of the reason why Zelda 1 stomped the Mario games with the day vote. In terms of size, I think at this point, SNES > N64 > NES >>> GC. But lately the N64 generation has been a lot more powerful, probably because the SNES generation's opinions tend to be a lot more balanced. I know we'll never get these kinds of numbers, but I could see Charizard really running up the numbers on Bowser with the N64 generation with SFF (and just general strength). --- Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi |
You're right. The 64% on Duke was in a night match (with a big pic disadvantage). The 62% on Kefka was in a day match. Bowser is even more screwed than I first imagined! --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
That's pretty good, but Bowser gets 45% at bare minimum against Ganondorf. If Bowser's only worth 45% on Ganondorf, he has very very little chance of getting out of this division. I think he's probably better than that though. --- Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi |
Uh
huh. If Charizard is going to show me he can beat Bowser, he's going to
have to do better than beat someone who's apparently equal with Tails. Besides, how much stronger do we think this Kratos is compared to the one Ryu got 57% on back in 2006? --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
From: red sox 777 | #220 That's why I said "bare minimum." Bowser would definitely get more than that. Luigi managed to get awfully close to Ganondorf in 2007, and Bowser isn't far from there, I imagine. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW |
If Bowser is going to show me he can beat Charizard, he's going to have to do better than beat Kefka. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
I
forgot about L -- he's a legit threat for Charizard, but that's an
oddball I don't really know how to touch much. I'll just say I'd still
stick to my Kratos > L pick and move on. And if Mewtwo >= Midna, Charizard's probably quite a bit stronger than Mewtwo. I'd indirectly take Char > Pika > Mewtwo pretty comfortably. In terms of size, I think at this point, SNES > N64 > NES >>> GC. But lately the N64 generation has been a lot more powerful, probably because the SNES generation's opinions tend to be a lot more balanced. I know we'll never get these kinds of numbers, but I could see Charizard really running up the numbers on Bowser with the N64 generation with SFF (and just general strength). I agree with this. I would give Bowser the advantage every other generation, but that N64-one? RBY is why Charizard's this strong and would probably take Bowser to town in this key generation. --- T E A M C H O C O L A T E http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7355/64590879.png |
From: KamikazePotato | #223 Kefka vs. Tails: Percentages (Honestly) --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
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Kefka wins with...55%? Not sure. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
Then
Bowser should be fine. Everyone associated with Duke in 4-ways has
looked AWFUL this contest (with the exceptions of Kefka, Marth, and
Guybrush Threepwood), so I think he was just a 4-way paper tiger. I'll take Midna, Frog, and Kefka over Duke and Tails without worrying too much about it. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
Altair has looked awful? --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
And that's like...everyone Duke is associated with in 4-ways. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
Liquid
looking even worse made him look less awful! And yeah, he did better on
Vivi than we would've given him credit for pre-contest, but yeah. But
Altair's one of those guys who has reason to look better this year
anyway. ...Liquid vs. Duke? --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
From: KamikazePotato | #230 Gordon looked bad. Ike looked bad. Zack looked bad. Niko looked terribad. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
And
I'm thinking Marth probably would've ended up looking bad if he hadn't
gotten the ideal opponent to overperform against, but not being able to
outdo Ridley? That's somewhat disappointing in its own right. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW |
From
my perspective Sora's always been the favorite in this division. Then
there were 3 characters who had chances of beating him: Charizard,
Bowser, and L-Block. Sora's shown himself to be vulnerable by barely
doubling Laharl, while Charizard has impressed with 64% on Duke at
night and 54.5% on Kratos here. L-Block and Bowser have both done about
as expected. Hierarchies are the worst argument we've heard this contest. If Charizard loses to Bowser in the division final it'll mean that Kefka actually would easily beat Duke now, not that Charizard got rSFF'd. --- Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi |
I don't think Ike and Zack looked particularly bad. Gordon was disappointing and Niko sucked, yeah. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
From: KamikazePotato | #235 They ended up looking a decent bit worse than we thought they were, pre-contest. Ike was supposed to whip Zidane, and Zack was supposed to at least get 40% on Mega Man (Don't even start the Mega Man > Mario hype train discussion!). --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
No,
it wasn't. KH said it best when he pointed out that Sephiroth and Marth
draw from similar anime-esque loving crowds. Ridley was the pure
opposite of Cloud - it was a perfect chance to stand out. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
Zidane was probably underrated- both him and Alucard looked very good this contest. --- Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi |
Yeah I think the bishounen card is being overplayed a bit, personally. It's a funny theory but I don't really believe it. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
That's
a pretty lame excuse, honestly. He's still the guy who lost handily to
Donkey Kong. LFF or not, you'd figure if he's worth something, he
finishes closer than this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2888 --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
Ike
was supposed to whip Zidane before Dissidia turned all the low-tier
Square guys into low midcarders. Zack still performed better than Cid
Highwind, and Mega Man in general has hulked up a good bit this contest. Pre-contest expectations shouldn't mean anything when deciding whether or not a performance is okay in the grand scheme of things. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
No, it wasn't. KH said it best when he pointed out that Sephiroth and Marth draw from similar anime-esque loving crowds I take great offense to this. --- Mustache...and Green... |
Zack still performed better than Cid Highwind I think we all expected him to do better than just 2%. And pre-contest expectations are derived from previous appearances for most of these characters, so yeah, they do mean something. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
More like SFF. That's why DK and Tails looked so awful in that match. --- Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi |
Not
so much after like half the characters in the field seem to be
different! Whether it's Dissidia or random boosting or dropping or
whatever, a lot has changed. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
From: red sox 777 | #244 Yeah, but how much credit are we willing to give DK here? Losing handily to him is bad, LFF or not. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
Oh, and I still think Sora cruises through the division. >_> --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
(Also, you might want to downplay the Zack dehyping a bit. Remember who he manhandled in Round 1.) --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
From: KamikazePotato | #248 SFF! That's my story and I'm stickin' to it! Or not. Yuna's just not that great at this point, and I'm willing to admit that. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
DK
is really not weak. He was a midcarder in 2003 and 2004 (remember the
incredulity with which people regarded the stats saying DK = Luigi?).
He was even with Master Chief in 2005, and he held up to Kirby pretty
well in 2007 despite any damage he may have taken from SFF. This year,
he put up 44% on Vivi again. --- Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi |
