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Game of the Decade Contest Analysis Crew - Part 7

transiencemessage detail | filter | quote | #101
not really! it'd need to go into 58, 59% to think it was even odds with Brawl, and even then I'd favour the Nintendo game.

stats look nice though. San Andreas = Vice City makes sense.
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LeonhartFourmessage detail | filter | quote | #102
San Andreas is somewhat comfortably ahead of Vice City at this point!

We're also getting San Andreas > FFXII!
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transiencemessage detail | filter | quote | #103
Golden Sun overperformed on FFX if you ask me. those numbers don't look right with those two games.

...and that's Nintendo!
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LeonhartFourmessage detail | filter | quote | #104
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LeonhartFourmessage detail | filter | quote | #105
Well, we're at 56% now and rising! Go FFX morning vote go
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AppIekidjoshmessage detail | filter | quote | #106
agreeing with leonhart here!

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LeonhartFourmessage detail | filter | quote | #107
Don't worry! I'll get the MGS3/MM accuracy point to balance things out!
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AppIekidjoshmessage detail | filter | quote | #108
what a rivalry!

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Safer Sephiroth 777message detail | filter | quote | #109
FF always wins!
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transiencemessage detail | filter | quote | #110
so.. was there SFF in FF10/FF9?
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Lopenmessage detail | filter | quote | #111
I'm thinking no. I called for it, but I also called for the percentage to be like 68% so.

FFIX getting 37% on FFX without SFF makes sense to me at least.
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transiencemessage detail | filter | quote | #112
if there's any, FF9 could give RE4 a fight. I have to believe that there's some given what happened in FF8/FF9, unless you think FF8 beats FF10.
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Ngamer64message detail | filter | quote | #113
Majora's Mask vs Metal Gear Solid 3

Ever since I first glanced at the bracket and determined this was a day match, I thought the MGS winner was going to be doomed versus whatever made it out of the lower division (regardless of if that were Zelda or Pokemon). We've finally arrived at the big day and... my opinion hasn't changed a bit! Wind Waker didn't wow me in its final three matches so I guess I still might have backed MGS3 over it in a Night Match, but seeing SotC take this series to the woodshed time and again during the Daylight combined with how easily WW was dispatched of has me thinking that Majora earns an easy victory here at any time of day or night.

That being said, I still don't think MM has what it takes to turn this poll into an upper 50s kind of blowout. It might very well be the strongest Zelda of the decade, but I get the sense that voters are pretty well aware of how much Nintendo has dominated this bracket so far- could certainly picture MGS3 earning a slight (Snake-like) boost as our SmartVoters attempt to correct that bias. Otherwise I suppose you could just make the case that a 55%ish win would be Majora's natural strength- impossible to say otherwise, since its only two tests have been potential SFFfests!

In other words, look for Snake Eater to not quite be able to resist the NA day vote strongly enough to avoid the 55%ing.

The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - 56.06%

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Lopenmessage detail | filter | quote | #114
Well FF8 has more reason to SFF FF9 than FF10 does cause of the time period and the system.

Also I'd expect the SFF effects to be magnified in a 4 way poll were OoT is sapping half the votes, personally.
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The Real Truthmessage detail | filter | quote | #115
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X195message detail | filter | quote | #116
The final match is going to be Brawl VS FFX, I guess. Then Brawl is going to win. Not particulaly bad, Brawl is cool. What I hate is that it's going to win because it's a Nintendo game.

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transciencemessage detail | filter | quote | #117
ffx is strong because it's a Final Fantasy game too. goes both ways.
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Lopenmessage detail | filter | quote | #118
FFX is strong cause it's a MASTERPIECE~, man.

Get that propaganda outta here.
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X195message detail | filter | quote | #119
Still, suppose somebody never played either game, only heard from each of them(I know it's hard, but just do it.). Most likely they will like on the very least 1 character in Brawl, and the chances of them voting in it will be high.

But yeah, it goes both ways.
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Master Moltar (tc)message detail | delete | filter | quote | #120
good morning

write-ups in a little bit

everyone picked Zelda
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Master Moltar (tc)message detail | delete | filter | quote | #121
Elite Eight: Round 5 - Match 124 – (1) Metal Gear Solid 3 vs. (1) The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask

Moltar’s Analysis

Metal Gear Solid 3
Round 1 - 76.85% on Timesplitters 2
Round 2 - 63.85% on Marvel vs. Capcom 2
Round 3 - 57.49% on Paper Mario
Round 4 - 50.62% on Shadow of the Colossus

Night match saved MGS3

Majora’s Mask
Round 1 - 83.40% on Wii Sports
Round 2 - 67.10% on Chrono Cross
Round 3 - 55.95% on Pokemon GSC
Round 4 - 56.79% on Wind Waker

Superior Zelda confirmed

What a great contest for Majora’s Mask, and I doubt it ends here. SotC has exposed all the MGS games. 3 only beat it because it was a night match, but now it has to fight the strong Majora’s Mask in the day. This should be a fairly easy match for it, as MGS is probably around the level of Pokemon GSC, if not lower.

Moltar’s Bracket: Zelda MM wins

Moltar’s Prediction: Zelda MM - 56%



Lopen’s Analysis

ZELDA

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Seriously, though.

I mean MGS3 nearly lost to SotC, and this is a day match against a LoZ title. Shouldn't even really be that close, unfortunately! (yay only 3 more of these things I'm dying)


Lopen's prediction:
ZELDA with 56.44%



Transience’s Analysis

This match seems obvious - I mean, we're talking about a game that put 55% on GSC and Wind Waker vs. a game that got 51% on Shadow of the Colossus. Oh, and it's a day match which is a massive advantage for Zelda.

I don't know though.. something about Majora doesn't sit right with me. I think it's the fact that it's best performance in my mind is the one against Chrono Cross. I just don't trust it against another Zelda or against a Pokemon title. Obviously it's strong but I can't help but feel that there's some weirdness there. There's no way I don't pick Zelda to win here, but don't be surprised if it can't shoot for the moon (LOL) here. The only reason that I feel it might is because MGS has just sucked hard this contest. I can't wait to see how it does vs. FFX.

transience's prediction: The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask with 56.45%



Leon’s Analysis

While I’m sure we’re all still wiping away the manly tears from Snake Eater’s victory last round, a simple eye test shows that it doesn’t really have much of a chance here. MGS3 only managed 57% against Paper Mario. While I can fully acknowledge that PM is legit, you have to consider the fact that Majora’s Mask got nearly 56% on G/S/C and more than that against Wind Waker. While I believe there may be a small bit of SFF involved in either of those results, it wasn’t significant, and there’s no way Paper Mario comes close to beating either one of them. It’d probably do respectably, but win? No way. Plus, the fact that this is a day match probably seals any small chance MGS3 had to win here.

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Leonhart’s Embarrassing Confession of the Match: My love for MGS3 allowed me to enjoy Act 3 of MGS4, believe it or not!

Leonhart’s Vote: Metal Gear Solid 3.

Leonhart’s Prediction: Majora’s Mask with 53.90%



Kleenex’s Analysis

ZELDA wins. MGS has embarrassed itself time and time again this contest, while Zelda has done the complete opposite. Shadow of the Colossus should be here.

Kleenex's Prediction: Majora's Mask with 56.89%



Applekidjosh’s Analysis

I have no idea wtf to do with this match. The stats make no sense to me, I still can't tell if SotC is super strong or MGS sucks in 1v1, and the Majora > Pokemon thing just seems like a big ZELDAFAQS OMG thing to me. doubleyou tee eff man?

I guess I'm going with Zelda because it's Zelda?

AKJ says Zelda > Metal Gear with 52.22%
Master Moltar (tc)message detail | delete | filter | quote | #122
Guest’s Analysis - TsunamiXXVIII

Well, definitely not much to go on here except for series trends, since intergenerational battles like this one would’ve never taken place in the other games contests until we got to the semifinals and these aren’t the type of games that would be going deep into one of these tournaments.

Wait, we’re already in the quarterfinals?

…Well, I’m stumped. Anyway, the Metal Gear Solid series has been largely disappointing this contest, though it may have been screwed over by getting all its games placed in the Characters =/= Games Division. So, what do we have to work with?

Neither of these games was in the 2004 Games Contest: Metal Gear Solid 3 because it wasn’t out yet and Majora’s Mask because they were limiting one game per series per division and Ocarina was blocking it. As for in 2009…

Majora’s Mask was soundly whipped by Pokémon twice and eventually taken out by the combined might of the Pokémon series, even though it was split two ways, and…the original Metal Gear Solid. That probably doesn’t bode well, except…in said match where both RBY and Gold/Silver were there, the second generation appeared to have a fairly good portion of the first generation’s strength—enough to beat Majora’s Mask outright based on the numbers shown in the SFF- and STF-free first round. In the 19 months since that match, said second-generation games were rereleased, so there’s no reason to think that they’d have gotten weaker—therefore, Majora’s Mask’s win suggests that it has boosted. Perhaps that “proxy for Ocarina of Time” theory is actually accurate?

MGS3 on the other hand finished a close third behind Resident Evil 4, with Twilight Princess easily in first. That it took two other games that also made the quarterfinals to knock it out seems to be a good sign, but you can’t really use that as a gauge since Majora’s Mask’s competition in that contest wasn’t even eligible for this one. Also, it got smashed by a Zelda game. Just like the original got knocked out one round after KO’ing Majora’s Mask by none other than Ocarina of Time (with help, of course, from RBY again.)

Considering the fact that 3 < 1, and that MM seems to be borrowing some of OoT’s power for this contest… I’d say Majora’s Mask with 54.27% sounds pretty goo…

OBJECTION!!!!

Upon further examination, neither Twilight Princess nor Resident Evil 4 advanced even one round further after taking out MGS3. The second-place finisher in that match was Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which is currently in the process of taking out Twilight Princess now and therefore fits with expectations. But the first-place finisher?

Metal. Gear. Solid. 4.

Okay, sure, it was close enough that Brawl probably would’ve taken first if it wasn’t being SFF’d by Twilight Princess, but it’s still an easy conclusion to draw that MGS4 was legitimately a beast then, and now, it went down to a game that couldn’t even go one round last time. Ignoring the fact that it also points to 4 >>> 3, when right now 4 looks like it could be weaker than 2, the general point of this is that maybe Characters =/= Games isn’t the reason that stuff like SotC and Diablo II looked like beasts when all they’ve produced for Character Battles is complete fodder. (Yes, I know Diablo went on a tear in the Villains contest, but he then lost an intercompany battle to Arthas freakin’ Menethil. You know, the guy who got 60-40’d by Kefka earlier this year?) Maybe the entire West Division just plain sucks.

The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask with 61.89% of the vote



Crew Consensus: Everybody is going with Zelda here
transiencemessage detail | filter | quote | #123
price is right'd
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GTMmessage detail | filter | quote | #124
Moltar has the ability to change his bracket from GSC winning last round to MM winning this round!
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TsunamiXXVIIImessage detail | filter | quote | #125
Yeah, amazed at how close everyone's picks are. I suppose I went a bit overboard when I decided to raise my prediction from its original status, but I'm definitely pleased to see that I'm the only one that went over and that Majora's Mask is indeed outperforming all of the regulars' expectations. I don't really think I'm qualified to analyze FFX-MM, but if Majora's Mask does win that one, I'd like to come back for Brawl-Majora's Mask.
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Lopenmessage detail | filter | quote | #126
Man I was about to yell about the Price is Right but then I realized it didn't matter cause of Kleenex
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-LusterSoldier-message detail | filter | quote | #127
I don't really think I'm qualified to analyze FFX-MM, but if Majora's Mask does win that one, I'd like to come back for Brawl-Majora's Mask.

BlAcK TuRtLe expressed an interest in FFX/Brawl already, but if that match-up doesn't happen, I can bet that he would want to claim Brawl/Majora's Mask.
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red sox 777message detail | filter | quote | #128
Has FFX/MM been taken yet?
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Not that I know of.
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Master Moltar (tc)message detail | delete | filter | quote | #130

From: GTM | #124
Moltar has the ability to change his bracket from GSC winning last round to MM winning this round!


whoops secret's out

From: red sox 777 | #128
Has FFX/MM been taken yet?


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red sox 777message detail | filter | quote | #131
Great, time for some x-stats fueled Zelda hype.
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Master Moltar (tc)message detail | delete | filter | quote | #132
Final Four: Round 6 - Match 125 – (1) Fallout 3 vs. (2) Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Moltar’s Analysis

Fallout 3
Round 1 - 81.00% on inFamous
Round 2 - 74.27% on Deus Ex
Round 3 - 58.80% on Batman: Arkham Asylum
Round 4 - 60.60% on Halo
Round 5 - 51.94% on Metroid Prime

Fallout struggles with Prime.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Round 1 - 83.26% on Mario Kart DS
Round 2 - 76.44% on Valkyria Chronicles
Round 3 - 72.90% on Pokemon DPP
Round 4 - 52.75% on Twilight Priness

Brawl unstoppable

Well, this is going to be a 24-hour snoozefest. Fallout’s quarter of the bracket was weak, and Brawl is going to show that with a beatdown. Fallout may have looked decent if this were just a night match, but Brawl is also going to have the benefit of the day to balance things out.

Every time Brawl and Fallout 3 have met in the past, the result was always the same. That is, Brawl easily beats Fallout. This time will be no different. Well, this time may be a little different. Fallout may look a little better than it should thanks to a number of factors. Game of the Decade voting, anti-Brawl votes, whatever. Still, that ‘backlash’ isn’t going to stop Brawl from winning this one.

Moltar’s Bracket: Brawl wins

Moltar’s Prediction: Brawl - 60%



Lopen’s Analysis

Pretty anti-climactic semi-final. I guess this has potential to be kinda close given the GotY results of that year, but I somehow don't think it will be. In any case, given that we've seen this match in a GotY setting, very little doubt should be had about Brawl's victory here.

Lopen's prediction:
Brawl with 55.18%



Transience’s Analysis

A 24 hour match?! I don't have to write two of these bloody things a day anymore? Amazing!

Unfortunately there isn't much to say here. I think the most interesting thing about this match is seeing how Fallout 3 stacks up -- or more specifically, how Division 1 and Division 2 look in comparison to the rest. Division 1 and 2 has been this weird void where no games of real strength reside. Because of this, people have gotten the idea that Fallout 3 is a legit game.

And it is -- as long as you realize what you're talking about. Some people were entertaining Fallout 3 over games like Wind Waker or FF9 and that probably isn't happening. If you think of it as being something that can compete with the Portals and Bioshocks and Metroid Primes of the world then yeah, it's legit. But it doesn't have a chance against Brawl.

I actually see Fallout 3 overperforming here due to it being the so-called 'cinderella' of the contest. We're going to have three major Square/Nintendo sequels and then Fallout 3, which may as well be its own IP since Fallout 1 and 2 don't matter at all. It may have been the favourite to get here but other people don't know that. Brawl backlash is at an all-time high here. That said, Brawl should be putting 60%+ on this game so an overperformance might be in line with what some people are expecting out of Fallout 3 here.

This match is the calm before the storm. Final Fantasy vs. Zelda is coming with a Smash game waiting in the wings. Let's take these 24 hours and appreciate how good this contest has been.

transience's prediction: Super Smash Bros. Brawl with 58.83%
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Leon’s Analysis

This one’s gonna be pretty ugly. Fallout 3 ended up getting exposed pretty badly against Metroid Prime. Not to take any credit away from Prime, but less than 52% on it isn’t a good performance for some of the expectations people had for Fallout 3. Some people thought it could be the strongest non-Square, non-Nintendo game, but I don’t think that’s the case now. Again, while Metroid Prime redeemed itself this contest, it’s not touching Twilight Princess or Brawl. It’s closer to Galaxy than to either of those games, and it might even lose that one. So I’m not gonna get too scared when Brawl puts up a nice number here because FFX still got dis! Whoo, three days left, time for 24 hour matches!

Leonhart’s Embarrassing Confession of the Match: I know most people seem to be in favor of the 12 hour format, but I miss 24 hour matches. Yeah, I know 12 hour matches are good for getting past blowouts and stuff, but that’s not what I care about when it comes to contests. I care about the close matches, and those don’t feel as epic in the 12 hour format.

Leonhart’s Vote: Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Leonhart’s Prediction: Super Smash Bros. Brawl with 60.00%



Kleenex’s Analysis

Time for some 24 hours matches. Too bad the first one is going to be pretty boring, but the other two could be good. I mentioned this the other day, but Fallout 3 is in for a very rude awakening today. Those first two divisions were awfully weak. When Tales of Symphonia is statistically stronger than all but 5 out of the 32 games in the quarter, it should send up some serious red flags. Not to take away from Fallout 3's run, though. It certainly should be commended for having the chops to make it to the semifinals, but now it's playing with the big boys. And a big boy Fallout 3 is not. I'm not sure how ugly this is going to get - I see a lot of 60/40 talk going on. The fact that Brawl has a full day to wreck havoc on Fallout might make this possible, but I think I'm going to be slightly more conservative here. If for no other reason than to fool myself into thinking that Brawl isn't a huge favorite to win the contest outright.

Kleenex's Prediction: Super Smash Bros. Brawl with 58.67%


Applekidjosh’s Analysis

I don't think anybody thinks this match is in any doubt. Brawl is going to the finals (JUST AS PLANNED)

AKJ says Brawl > FO3 with 57.00%



Guest’s Analysis - Luster Soldier

Fallout 3 is likely the weakest entrant to ever reach the semifinals of a 1v1 contest, thanks to Northeast Division being so weak compared to the other divisions. There was no doubt that Fallout 3 had an easy path to the semifinals and this match will showcase how bad the Northeast Division was.

Brawl needs to go big here and break 60% before I'd give it a chance of defeating FFX. A lot of the Oracle guys seem to be underestimating this match at 55-57% for Brawl, but that does not seem very likely based on 2 different projections I came with up.

Right now, I would have no problem putting Twilight Princess at 55% on Fallout 3. If TP got 55% on Fallout 3, Brawl would be expected to get 57.47% here when extrapolating through Brawl/TP. Putting TP at 55% on Fallout 3 is actually on the conservative side here, because I would definitely pick TP to break 60% on Metroid Prime. With TP at 60% on Metroid Prime, it would be projected to get 58.39% on Fallout 3 based on Fallout 3/Metroid Prime. Add on Brawl being stronger than TP by a little bit, and Brawl should be in the running to break 60%.

Luster Soldier's Bracket: Super Smash Bros. Melee (whoops)

Luster Soldier's Prediction: Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 60.80%



Crew Consensus: Brawl wins easy
The Mana Swordmessage detail | filter | quote | #134
I see Moltar refuses to recognize that Melee/Brawl ever happened.
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Leonhart’s Embarrassing Confession of the Match: I know most people seem to be in favor of the 12 hour format, but I miss 24 hour matches. Yeah, I know 12 hour matches are good for getting past blowouts and stuff, but that’s not what I care about when it comes to contests. I care about the close matches, and those don’t feel as epic in the 12 hour format.

Hmmm... I'd have said we only needed to see 64 games in this bracket, given how the format was limited, but that first round ended up being a BLAST. So I guess I'd have to disagree with you overall.

I'd say the current setup is ideal except that the 24 hour matches should have been extended into one extra round, so that we'd have seen them for these three plus Fallout/Prime, Brawl/TP, FFX/RE4, and MGS3/Majora. (Not that any of those results would have flipped given the extra time, I just think they deserved it!)

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-LusterSoldier-message detail | filter | quote | #136
The 24 hour matches would have been a good idea for the quarterfinals, but there's not enough time to extend the contest by 2 days and not overlap the contest with the holidays. Maybe for the next contest, we should suggest that idea to Bacon.
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Ngamer64message detail | filter | quote | #137
Yes, we did suggest it when the bracket first came up, and he said it was a good idea but that we wouldn't have time for it this season.

So we can be hopeful for next time!

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LeonhartFourmessage detail | filter | quote | #138
The first round could've still been a blast with 24 hour matches. It's really got little to do with the format!
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LeonhartFourmessage detail | filter | quote | #139
Also, Ngamer, where's the FFX kudos, hmmmmmmmmm?!
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Ngamer64message detail | filter | quote | #140
Well yes, but I'm assuming that by "all 24 hour matches" you meant limiting the field to 64 entrants like the old days, rather than making the insane suggestion that a single Contest should last 120+ days.

FFX thoughts will be coming in the Majora writeup!

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Lopenmessage detail | filter | quote | #141
Oh, it's 24 hours?

Man, that just shows how much I've been paying attention. Anyway I totally agree with Leonhart there. I just can't get into these 12 hour matches enough. Hell I straight up miss like 1/3 of them.
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From: Ngamer64 | #140
Well yes, but I'm assuming that by "all 24 hour matches" you meant limiting the field to 64 entrants like the old days, rather than making the insane suggestion that a single Contest should last 120+ days.


Well, yeah.

I still think 128 entrants is too much, but Bacon's all into the "Let's make everyone a winner!" stuff.
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LinkMarioSamusmessage detail | filter | quote | #143
Man I wish Melee was there instead. Would be far less disgusting to see it rock the match.

Nobody over 61%? I somehow think that Brawl will get around 64% without much problem.

And it's ironic to think that that entire quarter of the bracket is deemed "the weak quarter" given that it housed the winner of Crispy Gamer's GotD (Half-Life 2), and a game that almost defeated the eventual champion in the 2nd round (Fallout 3), and...a game that got a 1 seed in that contest only to get doubled in the 2nd round (Metroid Prime), a game that was caught cheating in the Final Four against World of Warcraft (Halo: Combat Evolved), and...whatever. Still, I think it's really something that that was the "weak" quarter of the bracket when it's filled to the brim with games often considered to be solid GotD candidates.
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Ngamer64message detail | filter | quote | #144
Brawl vs Fallout 3

No more two matches a day? Only three days left in the season? Thank goodness! As awesome as this bracket has been, I've got to admit I'm 99% worn out and even looking forward to the offseason a little. GotD did a way better job of keeping my interest up than the last two Contests, but even with all these fun results I'm feeling pretty drained here in the final week. ...which is entirely reasonable given all the stuff I'm involved in on top of hosting The Show every week, but still!

ANYWAYS, not all that much to say in regards to the match itself. We've always known that the Smash/TP winner was going to destroy whatever weaksauce entrant survived Divisions 1&2, and barely outlasting Prime combined with how Brawl figures to eat this ASV for lunch have only made Fallout's prospects look even bleaker. The one ray of hope some are holding onto in terms of an FO3 overperformance is Anti-FavoriteFAQs, but ehhhh, I just can't see it. While its true that Snake has taken advantage of similar situations the last two years, pulling it off in a Games Contests appears to be roughly 10x as difficult. I mean, I thought RE4 and MGS3 were excellent candidates for that same "factor" in these past two matches, and instead they both got blown to a thousand pieces!

Except Brawl to get a bit anti-voted in the early going before powering away to a no-doubter, getting percentage stalled in the dead of night, then blasting Fallout with a massive ASV beatdown to push it toward 60%. (But will that be enough to make it the favorite for the Championship? Stay tuned!)

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 58.69%

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2010 10:45:00 PM | message detail
Well, yeah.

I still think 128 entrants is too much, but Bacon's all into the "Let's make everyone a winner!" stuff.


Okay, that was my original point. Lowering to 64 games would have cost us Deus Ex > Rock Band, TF2/Fable, SF4 > Sonic, Halo 3 > Sunshine, and all the rest of what was a hugely enjoyable Round One. I can't see how anyone could support cutting that in favor of going 24 hours for all matches.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2010 10:45:00 PM | message detail
Well, yeah.

I still think 128 entrants is too much, but Bacon's all into the "Let's make everyone a winner!" stuff.


Okay, that was my original point. Lowering to 64 games would have cost us Deus Ex > Rock Band, TF2/Fable, SF4 > Sonic, Halo 3 > Sunshine, and all the rest of what was a hugely enjoyable Round One. I can't see how anyone could support cutting that in favor of going 24 hours for all matches.


So, what, we miss an exciting first division featuring a bunch of games that wouldn't even win another match?

Woo. There haven't even been that many close matches in this contest anyway.
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TheKoolAidShotomessage detail | filter | quote | #147
F*** that noise, some of the best matches this season were fodderific games going at it. Especially in the first round where we actually care about every match thanks to the Battle Bracket.
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red sox 777message detail | filter | quote | #148
For a game of the decade contest, I think we really only needed 64 games. There was a ton of fodder or pseudo-fodder (meaning games that weren't technically fodder but were weak and uninteresting contestwise) in this year's contest. For a full all-time games contest, there's a lot more strong, interesting, and deserving games so 128 is a good idea.
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Ngamer64message detail | filter | quote | #149
red sox 777 | Posted 12/20/2010 11:47:23 PM | message detail
For a game of the decade contest, I think we really only needed 64 games. There was a ton of fodder or pseudo-fodder (meaning games that weren't technically fodder but were weak and uninteresting contestwise) in this year's contest. For a full all-time games contest, there's a lot more strong, interesting, and deserving games so 128 is a good idea.


This was exactly my original line of thought. But looking back on it now and thinking about how this would have cost us all the matches above plus MvC 2 > New Mario, Paper Mario > Gears, Dead Rising/TWEWY, Pokemon > GTA4, Morrowind > Warcraft, MM9 > Demon's Souls, and the hilarity of No Mercy/Fire Emblem and the first 6 hours of Mario Kart/Phoenix Wright made me realize how incredibly, incredibly wrong you and I and Leon were.

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red sox 777message detail | filter | quote | #150
I don't think so, for me anyway. Most of those matches ended up being not very memorable for me. I don't know that it's entirely the matches' fault, or the 12-hour format, or perhaps my general lack of interest in modern gaming.
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