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Best Game Ever 2 Contest Analysis Crew (Part Four)

Ed Bellis | Posted 5/30/2009 9:11:56 PM | message detail | filter | #401
Match 55

Crappy match here ! Resident Evil 4 and Twilight Princess have both looked much, much better than MGS3 and Oblivion throughout the contest. They both beat Kingdom Hearts II, which I’d take over both of the latter games.

Really, the biggest question is, since they were both so close last time, which one emerges in first this time around. TP should beat RE4 here, since any additional overlap between the games will likely be at RE4’s expense – Zelda kinda stands out like a sore thumb in this poll. So yeah.

Metal Gear Solid 3 with 24%
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion with 16%
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess with 31%
Resident Evil 4 with 29%

ZFS | Posted 5/30/2009 9:52:28 PM | message detail | filter | #402
transience | Posted 5/30/2009 9:55:01 PM | message detail | filter | #403
MGS3rd place
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/30/2009 9:58:31 PM | message detail | filter | #404
I will sign up for the LTTP/FFVI/FFVII/SM64 match for the Guest analysis.
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but still not as cool as FastFalcon05, Guru Champ!
Ngamer64 | Posted 5/30/2009 10:29:04 PM | message detail | filter | #405
Apologies in advance for the late writeup and the horrible, HORRIBLE Moltar-ish percentages I had to go with at the bottom. Ate out last night and then caught the late show of Up, so my Oracle schedule's all thrown out of wack.


Ngamer's Rebellious Writeup

Whoa there Pokemon! The fast start wasn't much of a shocker- I don't think anyone expected FF8 to be in its range during the early vote, and even with MGS being okay there you had to like RBY's chances. But what really blew me away was that ASV- looking THAT impressive, despite the strongest Nintendo entrant ever looking over your shoulder the entire time? I think it's safe to say that Pokemon has replaced Halo as the new King of the ASV! (Well, co-kings along with Kingdom Hearts, perhaps.) Some will say that Ocarina disappointed here since it failed to hit 40, but to me this was entirely Pokemon impressing... I mean I said "Nintendo with 55-60%" yesterday and thought I was being generous, and then the two went out and combined for 61.33! HOWEVER, I do have to swallow my pride and admit that yes, FF7 did have the stronger showing between the two games this round. On the other hand as far as FF is concerned, yikes did FF8 ever get hammered despite having no excuses! Let's see how much better FFX can look in this next one.

Because X is certainly going to need to show us something here if it wants anyone's support against that brutal Ocarina/Melee/RBY Triangle of Death. Good heavens, can you imagine the kind of world-beating tear FFX is going to go on overnight against that pack? But then, will it get destroyed just as bad in the other direction once the ASV rolls in? Hm... Well since we have Melee both rounds, we can just use KH as a proxy for its co-King of the afternoon- should be a pretty good indication of how X will fare next time around. If it can end up reasonably close to Melee today, you've got to like its chances to reverse the trend when 1 Square is shifted out for 2 Nintendos. But how close is "reasonably close"? I... don't know!

Of course the same could be said of Melee- the sky's the limit here, and it's going to need to REALLY sky if it wants anyone's support for next round, considering some people aren't even all that confident about Melee v R/B/Y straight up anymore. I can't imagine SSBM having any trouble looking great here honestly... the series hasn't given us any sign of weakness all season, and this would be a really odd place to start.

As for the lower two games, my guess is that KH1 falls well back of its amazing R2 performance and allows X to widen the gap between the two significantly. This is in keeping with my "everyone's played them but nobody LOVES them" theory I used to explain KH2 dropping the ball when better competition arrived last week. In fact I think KH1's going to look weak enough here that KH1 vs KH2 will once again be up for discussion. And as for Diablo, ehh, I think that comes way down from last round as well. "Dedicated fanbase" hasn't worked out so well for SC or WoW or pretty much anything else this year, so even though DII sure seems to be the strongest of that group I'm still expecting it to get last place factor'd into a pretty poor showing, especially since Melee (and to a lesser extent KH) are going to DESTROY this day vote.

That should give us a result somewhere in the range of

Super Smash Bros. Melee - 33.00%
Final Fantasy X - 26.00%
Kingdom Hearts - 20.50%
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction - 19.50%

Seems... not so great, but oh well!

The Guru ROCKS, son!
( & aren't awful either)
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/30/2009 10:33:24 PM | message detail | filter | #406
I get to be the guest for Brawl's match, right?

And in the meantime, I will sign up for Ocarina of Time's match.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/30/2009 10:41:08 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #407
Moltar Status: complete global saturation
Match 54 - Bracket: SSBM > FFX - Vote: SSBM (231/336)
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/30/2009 10:43:07 PM | message detail | filter | #408
And in the meantime, I will sign up for Ocarina of Time's match.

Someone already signed up for that one. It's the one with Pokemon in it next round.
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but still not as cool as FastFalcon05, Guru Champ!
th3l3fty | Posted 5/30/2009 10:57:18 PM | message detail | filter | #409
brief fill-in write-up time!

TP and RE4 are another level above MGS3 and Oblivion, and TP/RE4 should benefit from the swap-out.

Metal Gear Solid 3 - 23.32%
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - 18.48%
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 30.03%
Resident Evil 4 - 28.17%
thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny
I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/30/2009 11:32:51 PM | message detail | filter | #410
Come on, fanboy pick! Pay off!
"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/30/2009 11:39:32 PM | message detail | filter | #411
Okay, I'll head for Mario 3's match.

I'm sticking with Mario 3 > Mario 1 for round 4, BTW.
ZFS | Posted 5/30/2009 11:47:25 PM | message detail | filter | #412
Lopen | Posted 5/31/2009 3:32:02 AM | message detail | filter | #413
Still liking RE4 here. But good show, MGS3.
No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/31/2009 10:50:34 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #414
The Contest Analysis Crew: Where fanboy picks pay off.
Moltar Status: complete global saturation
Match 55 - Bracket: TP > RE4 - Vote: RE4 (247/352)
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/31/2009 12:56:33 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #415
Final Fantasy X-------------------27.58% 34662
Kingdom Hearts-------------------22.48% 28251
Super Smash Bros. Melee------33.55% 42161
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction---16.38% 20586
TOTAL VOTES----------------------------125660

Matches Completely Correct - 34
Matches Partially Correct - 20
Matches Completely Wrong - 0

Results - SSBM beats FFX which beats KH which beats D2, not a shocker to anyone.

Post-Match Comments - Understandable that FFX only gets 45% on SSBM with KH here. Interesting to note that FFX did do better on KH this time around. D2 also looks pretty bad here, but then again, it just couldn't stand up to the other three games here.

Next Round Preview - OoT/RBY/Melee/FFX, holy crap this is huge

Crew Prediction Challenge - Points for all

Tran - 37
Guest - 32
HM - 31
Moltar - 31
Leon - 26
Ed - 23
Lopen - 23

Crew Accuracy Challenge - Moltar gets the point for SSBM, HM gets the point for FFX and D2, and Lopen gets the point for KH

HM - 54
Moltar - 47
Tran - 38
Guest (Luster, Zylo (3), HaRR, Kleenex (2), Soul, TRT (2), KP (4), Chaotic, Ngamer, GfK (3), Trout (3), BDawg (2), Luis, LMS (3), War, Ngirl, Mr3790 (3)) - 33
Lopen - 25
Ed - 24
Leon - 24
Moltar Status: complete global saturation
Match 55 - Bracket: TP > RE4 - Vote: RE4 (247/352)
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/31/2009 1:03:22 PM | message detail | filter | #416
Go go HM
"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/31/2009 9:16:24 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #417
Division 8: Round 3 - Match 56 – Super Smash Bros. Brawl vs. Call of Duty 4 vs. Metal Gear Solid 4 vs. Fallout 3

Moltar’s Analysis

Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Round 1 - 47.05% vs. Grand Theft Auto IV, Street Fighter IV and Persona 4
Round 2 - 41.06% vs. Call of Cuty 4, Grand Theft Auto IV and Super Mario Galaxy


Call of Duty 4
Round 1 - 35.79% vs. Super Mario Galaxy, Pokemon D/P and Team Fortress 2
Round 2 - 25.42% vs. Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Grand Theft Auto IV and Super Mario Galaxy

Beating up on Galaxy wasn’t that impressive after all!

Metal Gear Solid 4
Round 1 - 41.91% vs. Portal, Bioshock and LittleBigPlanet
Round 2 - 35.50% vs. Fallout 3, Portal and Halo 3

Go Go MGS4!

Fallout 3
Round 1 - 37.61% vs. Halo 3, Left 4 Dead and Mass Effect
Round 2 - 25.48% vs. Metal Gear Solid 4, Portal and Halo 3

Failout 3

*We now interrupt this regularly scheduled analysis for…shenanigans.*

Previously, Terra took Link and Mario to the top of Midgar Torre in Centro Midgar, but before they could reach Cloud, they were stopped by Squall and Tidus. They informed the trio that the entire land was on the brink of war. Link and Mario refused to wait for Terra to settle matters and attacked Squall and Tidus.

A world united,
Becomes divided,
War starts without fail
Now witness the tale

13: Trapped

*Outside the tower*

Zelda: We’ve finally arrived!

Peach: Hey, you guys are here too?

Zora: Yes, we came with Link. I’m guessing Mario is here too.

Yoshi: Yoshi Yoshi! (They must already be in the tower)

Goron: Well then let’s get to steppin’!

???: Not so fast.

Luigi: Who said that?

Auron: I did, Lieutenant of Squad 10, Auron.

Rinoa: And I’m the Lieutenant of Squad 8! Hee hee, Squally is going to be happy we stopped you.

Tingle: Honey, you haven’t stopped us.

Rinoa: Nooo, but I did distract you long enough for this to happen.

Nintendo characters: ??

???: Darkness trap! *A black cage then appears around the Nintendo characters.*

Rinoa: Yay Vivi!

Vivi: I’ve been following you for a while, but now that you’ve gathered, it was easy to trap all of you.

Deku: Let us out!

Auron: No, the crimes you have committed on our soil are many. You will remain here until we get further orders from our captains.

Rinoa: Ha Ha, you got caught! =P

*Meanwhile, at the top floor of the tower*

Squall: ‘Blacken, Hachi!’ *Squall is surrounded by a black mist*

Tidus: ‘Erase, Ju!’*Tidus turns clear*

Mario: *hand-signs* Mushroom Fire Flower! *Mario grows bigger, and his hat and overalls turns white and red.

Link: Lon Lon…Transform! *Transforms into Fierce Deity Link*

*Just before a huge fight is about to break out*


Squall: A scream?

Tidus: It sounded like…Terra!

~*To Be Continued*~

I have SSBB > MGS4 in my bracket. Not only were these two games the strongest of the 2008 games, but really, I didn’t see Fallout 3 or CoD4 challenging them here. Fallout 3 only confirmed that after its last round match. I knew it was going to drop drastically in strength from the GotY polls!

This should go “as planned” SSBB already crushed CoD4, and MGS4 already beat down Fallout 3. Brawl should be stronger than MGS4 and it looked more impressive last round. Fallout 3 vs. CoD4 is kind of “who cares”, but give me Fallout there.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: SSBB > MGS4

Moltar’s Prediction is: SSBB: 36% - MGS4: 31% - Fallout 3: 18% - Call of Duty 4: 15%
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/31/2009 9:16:42 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #418
Lopen’s Analysis

Whoo it's a repeat of the GotY! Well, I expect virtually the same thing here, with Brawl > MGS4 > Fallout 3 (the other interloper shall not be named. What a failure.)... but with two differences:

1. I think the contest voting base is a bit less harsh towards modern day Nintendo than the PotD fanbase. I blame the shiny colors for the contest poll pictures... makes people happy. Brawl does much better here.
2. The interloper shall hurt Fallout 3 the most. Wii Flagship vs PS3 Flagship vs other. Now "other" has two options. The franchise votes will be flying and poor Fallout 3 will be like "man this sucks"

You notice these write-ups are getting shorter? Yeah, I do too! End this contest already. (not even the shiny colors can prevent the rage filled waters deep within my black SOULLLL)

Lopen's Prediction:
Branded Brawlers - 35.02%
Fallout 3 - 22.02%
Interloper - 12.35%

Transience’s Analysis

Today was probably the match of the contest - a grueling 10 hour comeback followed by an absolute struggle to build on that lead. I don't think RE4's clear here yet, but it's gotta be the fave. Nice show by it. Let's hope RE4 wins so that MGS4 can go unimpeded the rest of the way; there are only two non-Nintendo games left with any shot at going deep, MGS4 and FFX. (FF7 excluded, of course.) Goddamn Nintendo, man.

Anyway, MGS4 has been a hot subject for a couple weeks now. How strong is it? I've been a vocal supporter of the game for a while, maybe its biggest one that isn't driven by favouritism. I've called it the most popular MGS game for a good while. I think it's on the cusp of our top 10. I think this format is suited to it thanks to being the PS3 savior and all that crap. We saw it in the GOTY polls - the more options, the better MGS4 does. It's got a strong core fanbase behind it.

I think it's got a good shot to compete with Brawl here. People talk about how unique Brawl is compared to the three shooters here, but that's blatant ignorance: MGS overlapped more with all the games in the GOTY poll but still did best when they were in the poll.

I still like Brawl to take this, but that's because I also think highly of it. I think Brawl and MGS4 are this gen's strongest games by a good bit. TP can't touch these two. Let's see if MGS4 can hold up in round 4 of this rivalry as well as it did in rounds 1-3. A lot of people are calling for Brawl to dominate here. Time to prove them wrong.

transience's prediction:

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 32%
Metal Gear Solid 4 - 30%
Fallout 3 - 21%
Call of Duty 4 - 17%

Leonhart’s Analysis

Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Brawl opened up a can in the last match and basically made the “Melee vs. Brawl?” question relevant again. Most people simply assumed Melee would do better due to Brawl’s mixed reaction, but that may not be the case here. Now we’re treated to Brawl vs. MGS4 IV, though this is their first meeting in an actual contest match. Brawl took two out of three against MGS4 in the GOTY polls and seemed to do better when there were fewer entrants. It managed to win when there were three entrants. Can it win with four?

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare: We all thought Call of Duty 4’s whipping of Mario Galaxy in round one was impressive, but then Brawl came out and proved that Galaxy’s just weak. The idea of an FPS being a top tier game on GameFAQs was kinda silly in the first place, though I did think it was strong enough to take advantage of Brawl/Galaxy SFF. I just didn’t expect Brawl to destroy Galaxy though. Oh well. Call of Duty 4 probably gets last here. Nothing to see here, folks.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/31/2009 9:17:27 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #419
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots: Metal Gear Solid 4 has looked good so far in the contest, and it beat Fallout 3 far worse than it did in either of the 2008 GOTY polls. I think I’d chalk that up to Fallout 3 dropping since then rather than to MGS4 going up, though a mixture of both is possible. The higher the PS3’s ownership gets here, the better MGS4 gets. It goes hand-in-hand with the PS3 in a way that no game does with its system sans Mario games with the first three generations of Nintendo. Still, as good as MGS4 has looked, it hasn’t looked as good as Brawl has so far. I’m holding out hope for the upset though!

Fallout 3: Fallout 3 did well in the GOTY polls earlier in the year, but last round proved that this match is all about Brawl and MGS4. Fallout won’t be crashing the party with a surprise first or second here. It should be able to beat Call of Duty 4 though, but it might end up closer to it than it will MGS4 or Brawl.

Leonhart’s Vote: Metal Gear Solid 4! GrrrLIQUID!!!!

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Super Smash Bros. Brawl – 30.68%
Call of Duty 4 – 15.75%
Metal Gear Solid 4 – 30.00%
Fallout 3 – 23.57%

Ed Bellis’s Analysis

Obviously this match is between Brawl and MGS4; Call of Duty 4 and Fallout 3 proved last round that they couldn’t stand up to the former two juggernauts. I’m gonna side with Brawl on this one – it’s just looked more impressive to me, whereas, today’s MGS3 performance aside, the MGS series in general has looked a little weaker than expected.

That said, it wouldn’t surprise me to see MGS3 pull out a win. It’s probably the game that has the biggest “people voting for it without having ever played it” factor, which is… pretty substantial, actually. Should be close at any rate.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl with 34%
Call of Duty 4 with 14%
Metal Gear Solid 4 with 32%
Fallout 3 with 20%

Guest’s Analysis - LinkMarioSamus

Today's result is disgusting, showing that nobody gives a damn about shooters of any sort. It seems that name value has prevailed in the vast majority of situations, which is just stupid. Also this is my first 0-pointer.

Now we come to division 8, home to what may be one of this site's top 5 games in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. It will win easily. The main question is whether Brawl SFFs Metal Gear Solid 4. And I will say...well, even if it did, it should still be able to advance with ease. Wow will it be ironic with MGS3 and 4 in the finals but 1 eliminated by Pokemon. Aside from that I'm picking Call of Duty 4 to barely edge out Fallout 3 for third.

Prediction: Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Metal Gear Solid 4
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 35%, Call of Duty 4 - 20%, Metal Gear Solid 4 - 30%, Fallout 3 - 15%
Bracket: Metal Gear Solid 4 > Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Favorites: Metal Gear Solid 4 > Fallout 3
Favorites Bracket: Super Mario Galaxy > Metal Gear Solid 4

Ho ho ho. Way for a short analysis.

Crew Consensus: SSBB > MGS4 yawn
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/31/2009 9:22:08 PM | message detail | filter | #420
Time for HM to jump in with an MGS4 > Brawl analysis
"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."
ZFS | Posted 5/31/2009 9:36:27 PM | message detail | filter | #421
Shame that MGS3 couldn't hold on at the end of this match to pull out a win. Weird how the 'worst' MGS game is the only one that's going to be left after this round! Good show, GameFAQs.

Unlike yesterday, I'm going with the consensus pick of Brawl > MGS4. Brawl has looked stronger the entire contest, beat it multiple times in the GotY polls, and is the only Nintendo game against a bunch of shooters that are bound to have far more overlap with MGS4 than with it. That doesn't paint a nice picture if you're MGS4.

The only thing that might reverse this result is the fact that it seemed to do better when there were more options during the GotY poll, but I doubt that makes much of a difference here. Brawl cruises to an easy win, MGS4 comes in second. Easy way to end the round.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl -- 33%
Metal Gear Solid 4 -- 26%
Call of Duty 4 -- 21%
Fallout 3 -- 20%

Bracket: Mario Galaxy > Metal Gear Solid 4

transience | Posted 5/31/2009 9:40:38 PM | message detail | filter | #422
shoulda gone with MGS4
Ngamer64 | Posted 5/31/2009 10:05:50 PM | message detail | filter | #423
Whoops, that "dual writeup" didn't work out so well last night. I'll have to catch up tonight instead!

Ngamer's Rebellious Writeup

Hmmm, really not sure what to make of that performance by Melee. I mean, the final percentage was pretty respectable, and it didn't have any real trouble distancing itself from FFX by the time it was all over. But YIKES did X ever take it apart overnight! The DSV was solid, but then bam, it fell right off a cliff again when KH started owning the ASV. And since FFX is going to do more of the same next round, and with Pokemon being right there to take the ASV... I don't know, this performance just makes it hard to say with any certainty that Melee's going to hold up better than RBY already has when OoT rolls around. I'm having a difficult time finding a way SSBM finishes anywhere but 4th place actually, something I never thought I'd be saying!

For tonight, I've got to agree with the Crew in saying that this one should be rather dull- probably the last less than exciting matchup we'll see this season. Yes RE4 impressed us last round, but I get the feeling that there may have been a slight bit of overlap between TP and KH that could have been helping it out, whereas this time if any two games hold each other back I'd think it would be the mature 3PSes in RE4 and MGS3. So Zelda ought to be able to extend its win a little bit and shoot for 30, while I'd imagine MGS takes a slight step back the the usual percentage the series pulls and is never in contention to advance.

If I had to pick a "surprise" result, I'd go with a slight overperformance from Oblivion. The game has impressed despite a rough path where it had to split the RPG vote with ToS twice and WoW once- now that it has free reign on the whole genre as well as all the Xbox and PC vote, pushing for 20 here doesnt't seem out of the question. Possibly it could even contend with MGS3? ...nay, let's not get too crazy!

Not too much else to say, so final answer:

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 30.41%
Resident Evil 4 - 27.40%
Metal Gear Solid 3 - 22.32%
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - 19.87%

Seems... okay, I think.

The Guru ROCKS, son!
( & aren't awful either)
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/31/2009 10:14:07 PM | message detail | filter | #424
I wrote my writeup before yesterday before Resident Evil 4 took the lead. At least Twilight Princess has *one* very good thing going for it (Biggest. Game. Ever.) which makes it deserving to win the match, but RE4 is best game ever quality while TP is not. Bah. This site = bunch of fanboys. And I don't like it.

Majora's Mask > any Final Fantasy after VII, IMO
Ngamer64 | Posted 6/1/2009 1:26:06 PM | message detail | filter | #425
Ngamer's Rebellious Writeup

Holy smokes MGS3! (As of when I'm writing this, RE4's up about 300 with about 30 minutes left to play.) Golly, I thought if today was going to be interesting at all it would have to be because RE4 made a late run at TP; instead I must have been dead on about it sharing fans with Kingdom Hearts, because boy does Zelda ever look like a worldbeater here. The showing by RE really baffles me though... I mean yes I expected MGS3 to hold it back a little as another mature PS2 action option, but on the plus side it got to jettison a true shooter in HL2- don't get how that makes it fall back to its R1 strength. I guess the easy answer is that it becomes tougher and tougher to knock out MGS games as more quality alternatives are added to the mix, and Oblivion certainly has some legit strength (yess, matching by 20% pred!), so these 4 fit the bill. Just weird that RE4 had a whale of a time pulling in front of 3, considering how 1 barely even put up a fight in going down to the two Nintendo options. Guess I was way off in my original 1 > 2 > 3 prediction for this series!

Now then, I made a major mistake yesterday in calling TP/RE/MGS the "last dull poll of the season." First of all because it ended up not being dull in the least, and secondly because I forgot about THIS match! Now I realize some people will try to make a case for MGS here, because 3 looked really good, 3 seemed to confirm that these games do better as you add more options, and 4 has a chance to be the strongest MGS of all. But I'm not buying it. We've already seen F03 come down off its recency-boosted GotY high- I think MGS4 was riding some of that same recency itself, and that if you held the 1v1 final again today Brawl would extend its win. The main reason I'm picking Brawl for an easy win though is expressed quite succinctly in this image:

Three mature, dark, grimy, grey-palleted PS3/360/PC action shooters (well they're different genres, but you shoot in all of them!) against... one brightly colored Nintendo fighter that gets an entire genre and platform and color scheme to itself? That's a recipe for MGS4 disaster if I've ever seen one!

No matter how far down MGS gets pushed though Fallout is sure to fall even farther, so nothing exciting there. If this poll has any intrigue it will be in FO3 and CoD4's battle for 3rd- give me Fallout there just based on RPGs consistently outperforming FPSes this season. In reality though all those two will be doing is holding each other back by gobbling each others 360 and PC bases while Brawl and MGS rise to heaven on their System Savior status.

If I'm right about all this (and let's face it, I always am!), this result should end up right around

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 33.26%
Metal Gear Solid 4 - 27.81%
Fallout 3 - 19.79%
Call of Duty 4 - 19.13%

Seems awesome!

The Guru ROCKS, son!
( & aren't awful either)
Ngamer64 | Posted 6/1/2009 6:56:16 PM | message detail | filter | #426
Holy heck @ this ASV. Yikes, I would hate to be tranny right now! (Or Leon I suppose, but that's just sort of implied.)

The Guru ROCKS, son!
( & aren't awful either)
LeonhartFour | Posted 6/1/2009 7:24:45 PM | message detail | filter | #427
Huh? What did I do?
"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."
Ngamer64 | Posted 6/1/2009 8:05:28 PM | message detail | filter | #428
Missed the Brawl-MGS4 gap by about 10%, for one!

The Guru ROCKS, son!
( & aren't awful either)
LeonhartFour | Posted 6/1/2009 8:43:38 PM | message detail | filter | #429

I got the match right.
"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 6/1/2009 9:03:53 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #430
\Quarterfinals: Round 4 - Match 57 – Super Mario Bros. vs. The Legend of Zelda vs. Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Super Mario World

Moltar’s Analysis

Super Mario Bros.
Round 1 - 70.54% vs. Ninja Gaiden, Duck Hunt and Galaga
Round 2 - 46.19% vs. Legend of Zelda, Metroid and Ninja Gaiden
Round 3 - 36.18% vs. Legend of Zelda, Tetris and Mega Man 2


Legend of Zelda
Round 1 - 61.28% vs. Metroid, Contra and Dragon Warrior III
Round 2 - 38.22% vs. Super Mario Bros, Metroid and Ninja Gaiden
Round 3 - 34.43% vs. Super Mario Bros, Tetris and Mega Man 2

Hey Zelda

Super Mario Bros. 3
Round 1 - 75.85% vs. Monkey Island, SimCity and Tecmo Super Bowl
Round 2 - 48.68% vs. Sonic 1, Street Fighter 2 and Monkey Island
Round 3 - 32.76% vs. Super Mario World, Final Fantasy IV and Sonic 1


Super Mario World
Round 1 - 45.78% vs. Final Fantasy, Battletoads and Prince of Persia
Round 2 - 54.13% vs. Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy and Mega Man 3
Round 3 - 32.14% vs. Super Mario Bros. 3, Final Fantasy IV and Sonic 1


E3 time who cares about Mario Mario Mario Zelda

Well, I guess this is a big match worth talking about a bit. I have SMB3 > SMW in my bracket. Like last round, I’m not really sure why, I just went with it. Probably though SMB/LoZ would knock each other out.

This is just one giant SFF match. A lot of people like Zelda here because it’s the game without Mario in the title. I don’t think it gets off the hook that easy. SMB has beaten it two times in a row now, and LoZ is still an NES game with other NES games.

SMB is going to get abandoned here, so it’s pretty much a non-factor. Just throwing in Tetris and MM2 brought it down drastically against LoZ. Mario 3 and Mario World? gg SMB

SMB3 beat Zelda last time, but now that it’s surrounded by Mario, that may not be the case. SMB3 hasn’t looked impressed outside of Round 1, but neither has Zelda. This is kind of hard to call. SMB3 wins on pure strength, but Zelda stands out. Still, standing out hasn’t really done much so far…

Hey, I haven’t mentioned Mario World yet. That’s because HERE COMES THE MEGATON SMW FOR FIRST! SMW stands out in the sea of NES games. Plus, by coming very close to Mario 3 last round, it’s shown that it has a very solid fanbase behind it. Mario World has done nothing but impress in this contest, and I see it continuing here.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: SMB3 > SMW

Moltar’s Prediction is: SMW: 31% - SMB3: 29% - LoZ: 28% - SMB: 12%

Lopen’s Analysis

Mario, Mario, Mario, Zelda.

Here we've got the freaking Mario dynasty-- a family of tyranny and racism (he stomps the brown mushrooms, befriends the white ones... this is worse than the woes of Carl Johnson and Vivi). I almost pity Link. FIGHT THE POWER, MAN.

This is a pretty dumb match. SFF mania. Personally, I'm thinking two things:

1. Mario, having a playrate of oh.. the whole site, has little to fear from LFF. We all saw it last year and I was a fool to gamble on it in my bracket. Mega Man X couldn't capitalize with Luigi there. While it's possible he could've with say... Bowser there as well, I think you'd have a hard time convincing anyone that say... Midna could do it. That's pretty much what The Legend of Zelda is in this equation. It can't beat the original SMB... it's not going to be able to hang with two stronger Mario games, no matter how many games you throw in the poll. Using an example from a... game contest... how about that FFIV last round? The addition of yet another Mario game won't be the breaking point, I don't think... and really, Zelda is less geared to capitalize on this situation than FFIV is anyway.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 6/1/2009 9:04:17 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #431
2. I'm not usually one to buy into console SFF, but I've gotta think that SMB and Zelda will rob SMB3 of a bit of its old school cred here. I don't think it'll hurt much but SMW doesn't exactly need it to hurt much. SMW squeaks by SMB3 for first.

SMB is not a factor in the simulation. Expect it to get dominated when all the respect votes it gets go out the window to SMB3.

Lopen's Prediction:
MARIO the World - 33.21%
MARIO the 3rd - 33.02%
Zelda - 19.27%
MARIO the 1st- 14.50%

Transience’s Analysis

Mario, Mario, Mario, ZELDA - how do you even judge this?

This whole contest has shown us that overlap isn't as important as we thought. We also know that Zelda overlaps with Mario almost as much as with other Mario games. Mario's been way more impressive than Zelda this contest. Zelda's the weakest game here.

This match is impossible to gauge. Overlap might not matter, but all I need to see is Mario, Mario, Mario, Zelda and I just can't see how Zelda doesn't advance. If you don't like Mario, you've only got one option. I don't feel too great about Zelda standing out, but I'll stick with it. Zelda could get bombed here or take this overwhelmingly -- I'm talking like 40%. Who knows. This match is dumb.

As for which Mario game advances... uhh... three NES games, one SNES game. It makes logical sense that Mario World would be the beneficiary here. I still refuse to back an inferior Mario title over the superior one though, so I'll take Mario 3. I am going to bomb this match. I don't even care.

One interesting thing to keep an eye on - Nintendo's E3 conference is tomorrow. There are rumours of a new Mario or a new Zelda. If we get a badass new Zelda Wii trailer, does Zelda go nuts from noon on? That'd be pretty amazing.

man I don't even care about a match this dumb, bring on FF7

transience's prediction:

The Legend of Zelda - 32%
Super Mario Bros. 3 - 29%
Super Mario World - 27%
Super Mario Bros. - 12%

Leonhart’s Analysis

Super Mario Bros.: Oh man, this match is gonna be a mess. Where do you even start? Well, I guess I could start with the only obvious thing about this match: Mario 1’s gonna get slaughtered. This game will do fine until you stick it up against another big game from the series. The “It’s friggin’ MARIO!” vote (which I’d imagine is a lot of the game’s strength) goes away when you stick another Mario game in the poll. Mario 1 won’t be getting respect votes over Mario 3 and Mario World. I wouldn’t be surprised if this game ends up in single digits, but it shouldn’t get much higher than the low teens.

The Legend of Zelda: You know, my bracket kinda depends on Zelda advancing here. I have Mario 3 beating LTTP next round because of LoZ’s presence. Of course, Mario World turning out to be nearly as strong as Mario 3 kinda threw an unexpected wrench into my plans. Zelda can still advance here, but it’s probably gonna be first place or nothing at all. You’ve got three Mario games and Zelda. This game couldn’t ask for a better LFF situation, although the fact that Mario 3 and Mario World can wreck a poll anyway doesn’t help. I think it might be time to kiss my bracket goodbye, not that it wasn’t dead a long time ago anyway!

Super Mario Bros. 3: Mario 3 had a tough time putting away Mario World, but it did manage to hold it off. Now we add the original Mario Bros. and the original Legend of Zelda. What happens now? That’s a good question. I wish I knew the answer! Which game between Mario 3 and Mario World is affected the most? I don’t know if there’s a definitive answer to that question. Looks like it’s time to make a fanboy pick!
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 6/1/2009 9:04:58 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #432
Super Mario World: I’ve heard people say that Mario World is the favorite to win this match because it’s the only SNES game against three NES games. I don’t necessarily agree with that assessment. When it comes to games with play rates as high as these four have, why does console matter? This isn’t going to be a poll about console favoritism (Mario World would’ve won last round if that were the case!). Now Mario 1 and Zelda 1 may affect Mario 3, but then again, they may affect Mario World more. I just don’t think there’s any way to tell. I think it’s just going to come down to which game’s fans are more devoted and will stick with it. And since Mario 3 manages to win those Favorite Mario Game polls…! Oh boy, this won’t end well. *busts out the Joker GIF*

Leonhart’s Vote: Pick up a P-Wing for Mario 3!

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Super Mario Bros. – 12.64%
The Legend of Zelda – 25.17%
Super Mario Bros. 3 – 31.34%
Super Mario World – 30.85%

Ed Bellis’s Analysis

Three Mario games in one match. This is truly the greatest, most exciting contest of all time.

There’s some minor unpredictability here (but not really): can the lone Zelda title stand up to TRIPLE ****ING SFF from the Mario games? The answer is no, because – surprise surprise – Zelda is also Nintendo.

The other big question here – at least for me – is if World can upset Bros. 3 after coming so close last round. I’m gonna say “yes” here, if only because, again, I’m biased and hey, who knows, maybe the presence of two other NES games will hurt SMB3 a tad. (But mostly I’m biased.)

Super Mario Bros. with 15%
The Legend of Zelda with 24%
Super Mario Bros. 3 with 30%
Super Mario World with 31%

Guest’s Analysis - LinkMarioSamus

Me getting to be the guest for two matches in a row is quite sweet. I might ruin you guys with this pick, though.

Despite me sucking at old games I like playing Mario 3 and Mario World on my GBA quite a bit, and Mario 1 and Zelda 1 are also very fun. This will be a minimal SFF match, and I think Zelda 1 gets last, which leaves the Mario games to duke it out. And, well, I think Mario 1 stands a good chance to advance. It placed 22nd on the list, showing that it won't completely fall flat on its face here, and that was higher than Mario World anyway. Plus, as last match showed, the Mario games probably don't SFF each other a whole lot. Call me crazy, but I think this match goes the way the list indicates.

Prediction: Super Mario Bros. 3 > Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. - 26%, The Legend of Zelda - 22%, Super Mario Bros. 3 - 26.5%, Super Mario World - 25.5%
Bracket: Super Mario Bros. 3 > The Legend of Zelda
Favorites: Super Mario Bros. 3 > Super Mario Bros.
Favorites Bracket: Super Mario Bros. 3 > Super Mario Bros.
Mega Man 2: 10.9%

Crew Consensus: SMW > SMB3 is the majority! Zelda > 3, 3 > World and 3 > SMB are also represented.
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2009 9:06:33 PM | message detail | filter | #433
lol zelda tbqh
No matter what, no matter how, I know I'll make it through somehow.
LeonhartFour | Posted 6/1/2009 9:07:43 PM | message detail | filter | #434
Aw yeah, time to gain one point on everyone.

Wait, the guest took Mario 3 > Mario 1? Time for LMS to realize vote totals aren't everything!
"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."
WarThaHedgehog | Posted 6/1/2009 10:15:05 PM | message detail | filter | #435
Mario 3 > Mario 1 would be the single greatest contest result ever.
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/1/2009 10:50:19 PM | message detail | filter | #436
Yes, lol at me thinking that Mario 1 will advance. Its been showing Mario 3 levels of strength all contest, though.

And no I wasn't basing myself off of votals. It was mostly the list, though that should show that Mario 1 will at least not fall flat on its face.
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/1/2009 11:07:43 PM | message detail | filter | #437
And my funny prediction goes out the window. I didn't think that SMB would collapse when facing later Mario games, but this...

And Super Mario World winning.
LeonhartFour | Posted 6/1/2009 11:53:06 PM | message detail | filter | #438
Come on, easy point!
"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 6/2/2009 12:11:55 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #439
Metal Gear Solid 3------------------------------23.46% 30169
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion-----------------20.58% 26463
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess-----32.24% 41460
Resident Evil 4-----------------------------------23.73% 30518
TOTAL VOTES-------------------------------------------128610

Results - TP wins, but by a much larger margin than it did last round. MGS3 also puts up a hell of a fight for second, but falls short in the end.

Post-Match Comments - MGS/RE fishiness? RE4 overperformance to push it past KH2 last round? General day-to-day shift? Whatever the reason, RE4 really underperformed here. The fact that it struggled all day with MGS3, which hasn't looked great all contest, is a bad sign.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl---36.68% 44509
Call of Duty 4------------------16.48% 19998
Metal Gear Solid 4------------26.59% 32262
Fallout 3-------------------------20.26% 24583
TOTAL VOTES------------------------121352

Matches Completely Correct - 36
Matches Partially Correct - 20
Matches Completely Wrong - 0

Results - Brawl > MGS4, obvious

Post-Match Comments - Brawl does pretty good here, while MGS4 is a bit more distant than most thought. Nothing major or anything. Fallout and CoD4 do about as expected.

Next Round Preview - TP/RE4/SSBB/'s time, Brawl looks best here, and RE4 and MGS4 haven't done much to help their cases.

Crew Prediction Challenge - Points for all

Tran - 39
Guest - 34
Moltar - 33
HM - 32
Leon - 28
Ed - 25
Lopen - 25

Crew Accuracy Challenge - Moltar and Tran get points for TP, HM gets the point for RE4, l3fty gets the point for MGS3 and Oblivion. Moltar gets the point for SSBB, HM gets the point for MGS4, Ed and HM get points for Fallout, and Tran gets the point for CoD4

HM - 57
Moltar - 49
Tran - 40
Guest (Luster, Zylo (3), HaRR, Kleenex (2), Soul, TRT (2), KP (4), Chaotic, Ngamer, GfK (3), Trout (3), BDawg (2), Luis, LMS (3), War, Ngirl, Mr3790 (3), l3fty (2)) - 35
Lopen - 25
Ed - 25
Leon - 24
Moltar Status: complete global saturation
Match 57 - Bracket: SMB3 > SMW - Vote: SMW (279/384)
LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 3:47:15 PM | message detail | filter | #440
If I don't get points, no one does! Go SMW > Zelda 1!
"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."
Barbazzo | Posted 6/2/2009 7:10:50 PM | message detail | filter | #441
My analysis of this contest is: that if you're not a Nintendont kid/fan, then you don't really belong in this contest. Far superior games (in every aspect and not just in my opinion, but most critics) are being past up by yet another annoying Mario, FF, or Zelda game. This contest doesn't determine the best game ever, it more accurately reflects what Nintendont users of this site likes best.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 6/2/2009 8:33:45 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #442
Quarterfinals: Round 4 - Match 58 – The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Final Fantasy VI vs. Final Fantasy VII vs. Super Mario 64

Moltar’s Analysis

Link to the Past
Round 1 - 56.25% vs. Donkey Kong Country, Doom and Streets of Rage II
Round 2 - 50.49% vs. Super Metroid, Super Mario Kart and Donkey Kong Country
Round 3 - 38.38% vs. Final Fantasy VI, Super Metroid and Link’s Awakening

Easily wins the rematch with FF6

Final Fantasy VI
Round 1 - 40.05% vs. Link’s Awakening, Mega Man X and Phantasy Star IV
Round 2 - 37.32% vs. Link’s Awakening, Sonic 2 and Mortal Kombat II
Round 3 - 32.09% vs. Link to the Past, Super Metroid and Link’s Awakening

Still can’t get away from Zelda games

Final Fantasy VII
Round 1 - 55.05% vs. Mario Kart 64, Star Fox 64 and Suikoden
Round 2 - 47.30% vs. Goldeneye, Super Mario RPG and Mario Kart 64
Round 3 - 41.25% vs. Super Mario 64, Chrono Trigger and Goldeneye

Has finally stopped toying around

Super Mario 64
Round 1 - 45.44% vs. Symphony of the Night, Resident Evil and Kirby Super Star
Round 2 - 40.42% vs. Chrono Trigger, Symphony of the Night and Yoshi’s Island
Round 3 - 22.58% vs. Final Fantasy VII, Chrono Trigger and Goldeneye

This time, it eliminates Chrono Trigger

*We now interrupt this regularly scheduled analysis for…megatons.*

Previously, the allies of Mario and Link were captured by the Lieutentants of Squads 8, 9 and 10. Meanwhile, just before a fight between Captains Squall and Tidus and Mario and Link, a scream was heard.

A world united,
Becomes divided,
War starts without fail
Now witness the tale

Versus 13: Revelation

*On the top floor of the tower*

Tidus: Hurry, the room is just ahead.

Squall: What could’ve happened to her…?

*The four characters burst into the main room*

???: Welcome…

Squall: *gasp*

Tidus: It’s you!

Link: No way…

Mario: It can’t be…

All four: Sephiroth!

Sephiroth: You all know who I am. I’m flattered.

Squall: Where’s Cloud?

Tidus: *looks down to see Terra knocked out on the ground* And what did you do to Terra? We’re going to make you pay.

Squall: Yeah, we’re finally going to put an end to you, the traitor of Midgar and Cuadrado. Overlimit!

Tidus: Overlimit!

*huge energy spike*

Squall: ‘Ultimo Fantasía, Hachi!’

Tidus: ‘Ultimo Fantasía, Ju!’

*Before their powers unlock, Sephiroth draws his sword and slices both of them in an instant*

Squall: Im…possible

Tidus: No…

*Both hit the ground, unconscious*

Sephiroth: Link and Mario, you won’t be so foolish as to blindly charge at me too?

Link: Answer me this. Are you behind all of this?

Sephiroth: And what if I am? What are you going to do about it?

Mario: Why? Why would you want to start a world war?

Sephiroth: We have our reasons.

Link: We? Who’s we?

Sephiroth: *laugh* I aligned with two others that the both of you know well. Right now, Bowser and Ganondorf are probably finishing off your pathetic land of Nintendo.

Link and Mario: !!

Sephiroth: *laugh* Soon, the world will belong to evil. The world will be ours. And humanity only has one person to thank. You are the catalyst behind the success of this plan, right….Cloud?

Link and Mario: !!

~*To Be Continued*~

FF7 > LttP is in my bracket. Strongest game and third strongest game. FF6 would get killed and SM64 wouldn’t be in their league.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 6/2/2009 8:34:12 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #443
Well after SM64 beat CT twice, it is looking pretty legit. FF6 getting killed by FF7 here is still to be expected though. The big question is who takes second between LttP and Mario 64.

Pre-Round 2, Mario 64 was looking incredible, but Round 3 brought it back down to Earth. Yes it beat Chrono Trigger, but I doubt that was the same CT that LttP barely lost to 5 years ago. CT, and old-Square in general, looks weaker than ever in this contest. I mean, just look at FF6’s performance on LttP. Don’t get me wrong, Mario 64 beating CT is impressive, but it’s not a reason for LttP to lose here.

Just like how LttP increased its percentage on FF6, it would do better on CT too. Plus, I wouldn’t be surprised if FF7 hurt Mario 64 just as badly as CT, as even in victory, Mario 64 was pretty damn far from FF7. I’d expect LttP would be able to stand up to it better. Mario 64 has a shot, but the odds favor LttP.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: FF7 > LttP

Moltar’s Prediction is: FFVII: 37% - LttP: 27% - SM64: 23% - FFVI: 13%

Lopen’s Analysis

FF7, FF6, Zelda Link to the Past, Mario 64

Gawd this top half is lacking any diversity. Three series, eight games. Jeeze. Extending it to the bottom half... you've got 2 Smash games, 2 more Zelda games, another FF game, RE4, Pokemanz RBY, MGS4. You know, I hate to be a whiner but this is like... wow. GameFAQs has the lamest cookie cutter taste I've ever seen. I mean, MGS4 won basically by default because its region was weak, and RE4 bit and clawed to get every last bit of its win.

Anyway, I believe what this contest has taught me is that "when in doubt with games, go with the stronger game and throw LFF and SFF and whatever out the window unless it was gonna be close in the first place." So, that is what I'll be doing for this one. FF7 smashes FF6 into the dirt, and while Zelda gets closer than it has any right to, it can't handle mighty FF7. I know FF LFF has looked pretty bad... but in retrospect, maybe it hasn't really looked that bad. I mean, FFVIII and FFIV didn't look much better in their rounds after they shook the lesser FFs holding their legs, so I don't think it's going to make a difference. SM64 vs LttP is interesting... but all indication we've had so far leans towards LttP being stronger... aside from maybe Mario 64 beating CT. Still, I'll give it the edge here.

Alarmingly terse write-up outside the whining for such a hot match, I know. SAVE_US.RE4. Or Pokemanz works too, I guess.

Lopen's Prediction:
Final Fantasy VII - 37.20%
Link to the Past - 25.26%
Super Mario 64 - 23.52%
Final Fantasy VI - 14.02%

Transience’s Analysis

I am probably the most vocal doubter of Link to the Past.

I just don't think it's very strong. I don't think any 8 or 16 bit game is super strong, actually. I can't prove this since we've got this generation crap, but we saw Chrono Trigger go up against Mario 64 and get stonewalled. LTTP, in my mind, has had three unimpressive performances for a game that is the consensus #3 on the site.

I think our demographic leans more towards the 3d games. LTTP is popular, that's for sure, but I think there's a limit to how well you can do in two dimensions. On the other hand, SM64 looks damn legit. People love that game. It defined a genre, something LTTP can't claim. It's probably more nostalgic to people than LTTP ever was. I think Goldeneye hurt it a good amount last round, which is why it struggled with Chrono Trigger. And to top it off, LTTP has FF6 in this match - two SNES games, one n64 game.

Upset? Picking Mario over a high-tier Zelda is suicide, but why not. Let's do this.

transience's prediction:

Final Fantasy VII - 36%
Super Mario 64 - 23%
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 22%
Final Fantasy VI - 15%
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 6/2/2009 8:34:50 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #444
Leonhart’s Analysis

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past: Link to the Past managed to beat out Final Fantasy VI last round despite the presence of two other Nintendo games, including another Zelda game. I think that speaks more of how far FFVI has fallen than it does of LTTP’s strength, but that was still pretty impressive. Some people thought LTTP might have a shot at upsetting FFVII here, but they thought Chrono Trigger was gonna be here, not Mario 64. Now after Mario 64’s upset of CT, the question is which way the fanbase goes between Link to the Past and Mario 64. I think LTTP wins this one. Zelda’s a stronger series than Mario’s here for a reason, and I don’t think you can put 3 Mario titles over the second strongest Zelda game. Just call it gut instinct. Plus, Mario 64 didn’t do well enough on FFVII last round for me to pick it here, GoldenEye or not.

Final Fantasy VI: Final Fantasy VI has looked bad all contest, struggling to get 55% on a Game Boy Zelda and then getting 45% on a game it got 47.5% on five years ago despite the presence of two other Nintendo games. Old Square is looking feeble and frail this year, and FFVII’s going to send FFVI into retirement after this match. If you look at most any old Final Fantasy poll (stretching it here, I know), FFVII more than doubles FFVI, and I don’t think it’ll be much different here. FFVI will be dead last by a mile.

Final Fantasy VII: At last, Final Fantasy VII outperformed Ocarina of Time last round, scoring over 41% on a strong fourpack with three games that are potentially top 20 and two games that are top ten or close to it. FFVII is in the same position here this round, only this pack is even tougher. The presence of FFVI here might prevent it from going quite as high, but at the same time, LTTP/Mario 64 could balance that out for the most part. I think Final Fantasy VII is one of those games that’s going to be tough to bring down, regardless of how strong the competition. That’s just how hardcore the fanbase is. I think FFVII will just look better the stronger the fourpack is.

Super Mario 64: Mario 64 beat Chrono Trigger twice to get here, so it’s proven its worth as a top tier game here. But now can it cement itself as a top ten game by beating Link to the Past? A lot of people think Mario 64 is a top ten game, but beating the #2 Zelda game would essentially clinch that status for it. I’m not entirely convinced Mario 64 is stronger than Mario 3 or World yet, so I’m still dubious. I won’t be surprised if it beats Link to the Past here, but I’m not taking the upset myself.

Leonhart’s Vote: Final Fantasy VII, “quite possibly the greatest game ever made.” It says so on the case!

Leonhart’s Prediction:

A Link to the Past – 26.03%
Final Fantasy VI – 13.42%
Final Fantasy VII – 39.04%
Super Mario 64 – 21.51%
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 6/2/2009 8:35:13 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #445
Guest’s Analysis - Luster Soldier

This match should be our last straightforward match result before the finals arrive.

Final Fantasy VII is a lock to win this match, with 3 straight rounds of 40% or higher and a 41.25% in the last round.

LttP looks like the safe pick for second. LttP and CT were almost equal back in 2004 and now that Super Mario 64 has defeated CT, some have resorted to calling for LttP's head here. I shall not take the upset here. Maybe someone else will be interested.

Zelda 1/Mario 64 might be a debatable match-up and Mario 64 may come out on top, if you believed Mario 64 would be stronger than Mario 1 just by the favorite Super Mario polls alone. For reference, Mario 64 has 76.94% and 71.40% on Mario 1 directly from two different favorite Super Mario polls spaced just a few months apart. This Mario 64 overperformance could be best explained by Mario 3 pounding Mario 1 down badly and we're seeing the same thing happening to Mario 1 in today's match.

LttP is quite a jump up from Zelda 1. We all know what happened in the OoT/Mario 64 match - it could only get about 20% on OoT. Mario 64 has stepped up its game since 2004. The game that I feel would be worth around 35% on OoT indirectly back then has now risen up to getting 51.81% and 51.13% on CT this contest. I would rather chalk up CT's loss towards CT having dropped off the map since 2004 rather than a Mario 64 overperformance. LttP should take this one easily as I feel it would be closer to OoT than to Zelda 1.

Final Fantasy VI should be holding up pretty well, as it's got one of the more dedicated fanbases in the franchise. Final Fantasy VII should have almost no impact here as it's a New Square/Old Square combo. We saw New Square/Old Square earlier in the contest with CT last round and it did better against Mario 64 than in round 2.

Luster Soldier's bracket (and pick): Final Fantasy VII > Zelda: A Link to the Past

Luster Soldier's prediction:
Zelda: A Link to the Past - 28.41%
Final Fantasy III (VI) - 15.36%
Final Fantasy VII - 36.51%
Super Mario 64 - 19.72%

Crew Consensus: Majority sez: FF7 > LttP, Tran sez: FF7 > SM64
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/2/2009 8:36:36 PM | message detail | filter | #446
LttP is going to stomp Mario 64 tran just takin' random upsets because he's got the luxury of a 5 point cushion!
In-de-structable. Nothing's gonna stop me now.
transience | Posted 6/2/2009 8:42:36 PM | message detail | filter | #447
yeah think of it as my way of taunting you all
SM64 wins
LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 9:00:10 PM | message detail | filter | #448
Somehow, I knew tranny was gonna take the upset with Mario 64.
"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."
ZFS | Posted 6/2/2009 9:09:46 PM | message detail | filter | #449
Whoa, I forgot about this completely. I blame E3

Today should be the test to see how strong Mario 64 actually is. I've always been skeptical of calling it the best Mario game because it beat Chrono Trigger. Everyone, myself included, were convinced CT of old had stayed around after its round 1 showing, but I think Trigger's taken a hit like practically every other old Square game. I mean, we're in the quarterfinals and Chrono Trigger isn't around. That's pretty telling for a game that was in the finals in 2k4 and put up 41% on FFVII.

Basically, Mario 64's not as strong as it's win over CT would imply -- and I think last round speaks to this -- meaning that not only is already weaker than LttP, but it's up against the ZELDA name. We're seeing that in action today with Zelda 1 nearly beating Mario 3, although you could say two other Mario games in the poll isn't helping!

But yeah, give me LttP > Mario 64 here. I'd love to see Mario 64 win here, if only because we need more Mario > Zelda and it makes CT look better, but I doubt it happens. Oh, and FFVII should look good again today.

Final Fantasy VII -- 40%
Link to the Past -- 28%
Super Mario 64 -- 19%
Final Fantasy VI -- 13%

Bracket: Final Fantasy VII > Link to the Past

Ed Bellis | Posted 6/2/2009 9:32:24 PM | message detail | filter | #450
Match 58

This is a battle for second and third. The Final Fantasies here have first and fourth wrapped up; hell, FF6 would take last here even without the presence of FF7, that’s how weak it’s looked.

I am going to pick SM64 solely because I want to go for the HEROIC UPSET. It has looked flat-out dominant this contest, from demolishing Chrono Trigger twice to… well, that’s pretty much it. >_> DON’T QUESTION IT JUST DO IT

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past with 23%
Final Fantasy III (VI) with 17%
Final Fantasy VII with 38%
Super Mario 64 with 24%

ed status: Maybe the chef was Darkseid. You don't mess with Darkseid. -MoogleKupo141