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Best Game Ever 2 Contest Analysis Crew (Part Four)

Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/18/2009 10:51:54 PM | message detail | filter | #001
If you aren't Mario, Zelda or Final Fantasy, get outta here: The "End of Round 2 and Round 3" Edition

Announcer: Welcome ladies and gentlemen to another edition of GameFAQs Contest Association! Tonight, we have a great show in store for you!

Audience: *cheers*

Announcer: First up, we have-

*The announcer is interrupted by Moltar’s entrance music*

Audience: *loud boos*

Commentator Jin Loss: BAH GAWD WHAT’S HE DOING OUT HERE?

Commentator Mitchell Kole: “The Viper” Master Moltar! Shades of pasts contests!

Moltar: So it’s that time of the year, contest time. It’s time for me to show why I am the best predictor in this company. In order to prove that I am the best, I will issue a challenge to anyone back there who thinks they know these contests better than me. And when I do predict the Best Game Ever 2 better than you, I will once again reclaim my GCA Analysis Title.

Audience: *boos*

*Leon’s entrance music hits, resulting in even more boos*

Mitchell Kole: OH MY! A rare appearance from The Ultimate Oppourtunist, Leon!

Leon: Listen up, Moltar. Now, I respect your prediction abilities, but everyone here knows you aren’t the best predictor in the company. I am! Yeah, that’s right. I’ll accept your challenge, and when I beat you, that title is going to be around my pretty waist.

Moltar: You? You?! The last time I saw you was when I beat you back in 2006. You aren’t even in my league. You aren’t worthy of accepting my challenge!

*Leon gets in Moltar’s face and the two argue, just then, this recognized intro plays*

WE DA FANBOYZ, SON

Audience: *huge cheers*

*The music of the tag team, Fanboyz, plays and Heroic Mario and Transience head down the ramp*

Jin Loss: It’s the Fanboyz! Business is about to pick up!

HM: you two need to chill out. the best predictors are right here, son.

Transience: that’s right, and when we win this challenge or whatever, that belt will go around my waist.

HM: uhhhh “whoops”, i think you mean my waist.

Transience: nope, i mean mine, son

*HM and Tran begin to argue*

Moltar: The two of you? You two are nothing but jokes. Neither of you will be getting my belt.

*The four men in the ring now argue*

*Lopen’s music then starts, drawing a negative reaction from the crowd. He is accompanied by his women.*

Mitchell Kole: Modified Humor!

Lopen: Listen here you rub-a-dub-dubs. None of you are the best because I am the best. I am Lopen, the greatest Analyzer of all the times!

Moltar: What? You couldn’t predict that the sun would rise tomorrow morning.

Leon: You couldn’t predict your way out of a paper bag!

HM: you couldn’t predict a lopen upset special!

Transience: you couldn’t predict…wait what

*The five men go back to bickering, and then…*

*Paper Rips*
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/18/2009 10:52:47 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #002
Audience: *HUGE cheers*

Jin Loss: ED BELLIS! ED BELLIS! ED BELLIS!

Mitchell Kole: Vintage Markout!

*Ed Bellis heads down the ramp, a juicebox in his hand*

Ed Bellis: So I’m in the back listening to a bunch of macaronis crying about title shots, and I’m thinking, “You know, the one that really deserves the title is this son of a mammer! Don’t you think so, hermano?

Moltar: I don-

Ed Bellis: WHAT YOU THINK IS IRRELEVANT!

Audience: *cheers*

Ed Bellis: So now that I’m in this little shindig, I’m going to win it and finally become Analysis Champion, and that’s the bottom line, when Bellismania is cookin’!

*The General Manager of GCA, SBAllen emerges at the top of the ramp*

Audience: *mixed reaction*

SBAllen: Okay, I can’t have you guys taking up any more of my time, so this is what I’m going to do. Since our Analysis Title and Prediction Titles are vacant with Yoblazer’s retirement, I’m going to put them both on the line! The six of you, Master Moltar, Heroic Mario, Lopen, Transience, Leonhart, and Ed Bellis will come together to create the Contest Analysis Crew! The six of you will analyze each match and give your predictions on who will win each battle. The person who closest predicts the most matches will become the new GCA Prediction Champion, and the person who predicts the most matches correctly will be recognized as the new GCA Analysis Champion!

Audience: *chants “GCA! GCA! GCA!”*

SBAllen: And that’s not all, because you, the readers, will be able to get in on the action to! Each match will have a Guest Predictor! It’s your chance to be a part of the Crew and collectively go for the Gold!

Audience: *cheers*

*The six men talk it over in the ring*

Moltar: Alright, we accept!

SBAllen: That’s what I want to hear! Oh, and before I leave, I have one more announcement to make…

*Everyone is on the edge of their seats as to what the announcement is.*

SBAllen: The contest, Best Game Ever 2, will be…a four-way generational bracket!

Audience: *heavily mixed reaction*

Everyone in the ring: augh



Guest Anaysis List - E-mail to mastermoltar@gmail.com upon completion. Make sure to get it in at least 5-6 hours before the match to ensure that your analysis is posted with the rest!

FFX/MGS2/KH/GTA:VC - LinkMarioSamus
Diablo 2/Halo/SSBM/Zelda: WW - Chaotic Mind

Oblivion/ToS/MGS3/WoW - KamikazePotato
RE4/KH2/Zelda: TP/HL2 - WarThaNemesis2

SSBB/GTA4/CoD4/Galaxy - BlAcK TuRtLe
MGS4/Portal/Fallout 3/Halo 3 - nintendogirl

MM2/Tetris/SMB/LoZ -

SMB3/Sonic 1/SMW/FF4 - MetricTrout

LttP/SM/FF6/LA - Mr3790

FF7/Goldeneye/SM64/CT - The Real Truth
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 10:58:19 PM | message detail | filter | #003
AndrewWarner | Posted 5/19/2009 1:14:37 AM | message detail | filter | #004
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http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=75
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/19/2009 1:46:22 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #005
Final Fantasy VIII------------------------------21.1% 27725
Starcraft---------------------------------------16.63% 21854
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time--49.36% 64854
Final Fantasy IX------------------------------12.91% 16956
TOTAL VOTES-----------------------------------------131389

Matches Completely Correct - 26
Matches Partially Correct - 16
Matches Completely Wrong - 0


What Happened - OoT dominates. FF8 takes second. Starcraft sucks it up


Why it Happened - OoT stood out here. Meanwhile, FF8 was hurt with FF9 being here, which is why it doesn't look too great here. Starcraft has no excuses. Nowhere near it's 2004 self.


What Will Happen - MGS/RBY/OoT/FF8, oh wow


Crew Prediction Challenge - 5 members get points

Tran - 27
Guest - 26
HM - 25
Moltar - 23
Leon - 21
Ed - 19
Lopen - 18


Crew Accuracy Challenge - Tran gets the point for OoT and SC, Leon gets the point for FF8, and Lopen gets the point for FF9

HM - 41
Moltar - 38
Tran - 30
Lopen - 22
Guest (Luster, Zylo (3), HaRR, Kleenex (2), Soul, TRT, KP (3), Chaotic, Ngamer, GfK (3), Trout, BDawg (2), Luis) - 21
Ed - 20
Leon - 20
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Moltar Status: complete global saturation
Match 43 - Bracket: FFX > MP - Vote: MGS2 (143/208)
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/19/2009 1:50:11 AM | message detail | filter | #006
I know I already asked it, but how was my analysis?
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/19/2009 11:46:07 AM | message detail | filter | #007
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/19/2009 8:36:17 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #008
Division 6: Round 2 - Match 44 – Diablo II: Lord of Destruction vs. Halo: Combat Evolved vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

Moltar’s Analysis

Diablo II
Round 1 - 27.43% vs. Metal Gear Solid 2, Morrowind and Silent Hill 2

D2 takes 1st in a close four-pack.

Halo
Round 1 - 25.82% vs. Final Fantasy X, Morrowind and Silent Hill 2

Was Halo hurt by KotOR? We’re about to find out

Super Smash Bros. Melee
Round 1 - 48.58% vs. Vice City, Metroid Prime and Paper Mario

Very good show from Melee

Wind Waker
Round 1 - 25.42% vs. Kingdom Hearts, Metroid Prime and Paper Mario

Poor Wind Waker, beaten down just like Majora’s Mask.

I have SSBM > Halo in my bracket. I figured SSBM would be the strongest game here, and that WW would be SFFed hard enough to allow Halo to take second.

Well, SSBM should take first because it’s the strongest, and WW doesn’t look too good for second considering SSBM killed it last round and it didn’t do well compared to the awful competition. However Halo…not looking so good after last round, and D2 was pretty close to it. WW still has a shot.

KotOR did much better than anyone expected, and it could have hurt Halo by splitting the Xbox fanbase. If that’s the case, then it should have no problem taking second here. Still, something bothers me about Halo. Not only did it fail to live up to my expectations of it, but I also have a feeling Melee is going to hurt it here.

D2 won last round on its own accord, while you have to make excuses for Halo, so I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt for second. Then again, Starcraft showed that PC games won’t necessarily retain decent percentages with strong competition around. Augh this is tough.

Blizzard PC game vs. Sole Xbox game vs. technically the second strongest game here but gets hurt by SFF. Do I really have to choose one of these to take second?

Moltar’s Bracket Says: SSBM > Halo

Moltar’s Prediction is: Melee: 37% - Diablo 2: 22% - Halo: 21% - Wind Waker: 20%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

A Nintendo SFF match with Diablo and Halo -- there's no good choice for second today.

I always hate having to pick a game like Halo to come in second when there's a much stronger game in the match getting hit by SFF. You can never feel confident in the Diablos and Halos of the world to do what they should given the opportunity. I stuck with Diablo II in my bracket, and didn't give it a whole lot of thought at the time, but after bad round 1 stretch it's hard to feel confident in any pick today.

But I'm gonna stick with it. Of all the games here, it's certainly the most independent -- it's a Blizzard PC RPG, which should give it more inherent appeal than something like StarCraft. It also did cleanly win in round 1 against Halo, making it the only real choice unless you believe Halo suffered from console SFF to KOTOR. After FFX/KH, you could try to make a case for Wind Waker, but I think that only works when we're talking about a split instead of straight up SFF, which is what Melee should do here.

As far as Halo goes, it's either in second or last. I'm not really buying into console SFF, so I think last round gave us a pretty good idea of its legit strength, which doesn't inspire a whole lot of confidence. Still, I can't say I'd be surprised if it did something here.

Bad match, time to get this one over with

Super Smash Bros. Melee -- 39%
Diablo II -- 23%
The Wind Waker -- 20%
Halo -- 18%

Bracket: Melee > Diablo II
Favorites: Wind Waker > Melee



Lopen’s Analysis

Melee crushed Zelda really bad. Against games worth their salt it has no chance to survive make its time. Get that out of here.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/19/2009 8:36:35 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #009
As for Halo vs LoD... while Halo did lose against D2, I think it got hurt by KotoR quite a bit. I don't think I stressed this enough during its match: This is a game from a system that has 50% ownership on GameFAQs. It's not going to do so well when it needs to split its vote. Halo I believe will be the one Halo title that doesn't utterly embarrass itself this contest, but we'll see, I guess. The originals in series have been seeming to do better than you'd expect, and you'd expect Halo to do the best of the series... therefore it'd do... bester. Yes.

Lopen's prediction:
Melee – 34.04%
Halo: Percentage Evolved – 28.07%
Diablo 2 – 22.56%
The Wind, heh heh... - 15.33%



Transience’s Analysis

Tonight's match feels kind of pointless. All of these games sucked in round 1 (seriously, needing a comeback to beat KOTOR? losing updates to Disgaea?), so does it really matter who advances? None of these games really deserve it. This match is more about gauging Melee than the battle for second.

Let's start with Diablo 2 and Halo. Diablo didn't win by much, and there's the possibility than Halo was hindered by KOTOR. If so, Halo probably wins a rematch pretty easily.

So the question becomes, who overlaps more with Melee and Wind Waker? The answer is probably neither, but if I had to pick one, it's Halo. There are two big multiplayer games from this generation: Halo and Melee. Do I think Halo is going to multiplayer SFF Melee or some such? No, of course not. But I'd expect the so-called casual vote to split there, and Halo needs every advantage it can get to reverse round 1's decision.

So I'll take Diablo 2 over Halo. But what of Wind Waker? Wind Waker got 34.36% against Melee. Would I expect Diablo 2 to get that percentage?

My answer would be no. But I don't think this is a fair question -- I think a lot of those WW votes were "not Melee" votes. We saw this, to a certain extent, with FF1 and MM3 last round: they were the only real option to vote for besides the obvious favourites. I can't prove this because both games got hammered by overlap the next round, but MM3 looked better than MM2 which isn't right. FF1 looked really impressive too. I think the same thing happened to Wind Waker, and when you add more intruiging possibilities I think it'll falter. I like Zelda games to pull in 15-20%, but in this match it might not matter since I don't see Melee going too high while having to deal with the Wind Waker overlap.

I really do want to take Wind Waker though. It's easily the second strongest game here. Hmm...

transience's predix:

Super Smash Bros. Melee - 40%
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction - 22%
Halo: Combat Evolved - 21%
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 17%



Leonhart’s Analysis

Diablo II: Lord of Destruction: Diablo did a good job last round coming out of that pack in first place. However, I think the fact that it still let Halo cut off 1500 votes from its lead with the ASV was a bit troubling. That’s not a good sign, especially when you’re that far ahead. Plus, Diablo was almost definitely the most independent entry in that poll. You could make an argument for Halo and KOTOR splitting the Xbox vote. Besides that, just good ol’ random variation could give Halo the edge over it this time. Diablo’s victory was far from decisive when it was all said and done. I still think it’s in a good position to advance, but it’s far from a lock.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/19/2009 8:37:31 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #010
Halo: We knew Halo as a series was in trouble when it needed the ASV to beat another Xbox game. The series is struggling, but there’s still hope for Halo to advance to round three here. As mentioned before, Halo made some big cuts on Diablo with the ASV last round despite being down 3500 votes or so. It’s unlikely Diablo will be able to get that big of a lead this time because it won’t be anywhere close to first place, which could spell bad news for it once Halo’s day vote kicks in. Halo basically just needs to weather the night vote and it can make a day vote comeback easily. Will it happen?

Super Smash Bros. Melee: Melee put up 65% on Wind Waker and 48% on the fourpack overall last round. Even having to deal with a LFF split here, Melee is far enough ahead of the rest of the pack to still finish in first here. Plus, it doesn’t seem like Wind Waker will really hinder it that much. This match is all about how much Melee puts up.

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker: Wind Waker embarrassed itself last round against Melee, and I don’t see any reason for it to do better here, especially now that the competition is better. I suppose you could argue that Zelda fans will keep Wind Waker from going TOO low, but I don’t know if I buy that. After all, they still let Melee nearly double Wind Waker here. If it advances, it’s because Diablo and Halo suck, not because Wind Waker is strong. Don’t see it happening though.

Leonhart’s Vote: Super Smash Bros. MELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Diablo II – 22.20%
Halo – 22.84%
Super Smash Bros. Melee – 38.41%
The Wind Waker – 16.55%



Guest’s Analysis - Chaotic Mind

Short write-up today, because i have no idea what happens here beyond SSBM taking first.

Diablo II impressed me by taking first last round, but Halo wasn't far behind. I think KOTOR probably hurt D2 just as much if not more than it hurt Halo, but Halo was definitely hurt more by GTA. However, Halo will likely lose more of its casual voters to SSBM this round too, so i wouldn't be surprised to see Diablo ahead of it again.

But Wind Waker might pass them both. Last round it was still able to get 25% with SSBM in the poll. That could very well be enough to advance here. Does it lose any votes to Diablo or Halo? Maybe a few to Halo, but i kinda doubt it.

Hmm, thinking about it, the blizzard fanbase didn't seem to dedicated in starcraft's match a couple days ago. That combined with Halo likely dying to SSBM makes Wind Waker the favorite i guess.

Prediction: SSBM>Wind Waker

Diablo II: Lord of Destruction - 17.39%
Halo: Combat Evolved - 17.20%
Super Smash Bros. Melee - 40.03%
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 25.38%


Bracket: SSBM>Halo
Vote: All but Celda are great games... but i think i'll have to go with Halo here.



Crew Consensus: 3 SSBM > D2, 2 SSBM > Halo and 1 SSBM > WW
transients | Posted 5/19/2009 8:38:03 PM | message detail | filter | #011
sweet, someone picked Wind Waker. I think that's certainly a possibility.
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transients | Posted 5/19/2009 8:38:22 PM | message detail | filter | #012
in fact, I almost want to change my pick right now.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/19/2009 8:38:57 PM | message detail | filter | #013
Diablo's got this, no need to change!
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The Real Truth | Posted 5/19/2009 8:53:31 PM | message detail | filter | #014
Halo takes second here I think.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/19/2009 8:54:29 PM | message detail | filter | #015
SSBM didn't succeed last round, but this time it's going to SFF Wind Waker into oblivion!
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transients | Posted 5/19/2009 8:56:10 PM | message detail | filter | #016
I also kinda like Halo. blah, this match sucks.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 5/19/2009 8:59:45 PM | message detail | filter | #017
Match 43

We’ve got Melee and four games that are probably not as strong as most people figured they would be. I’ll be backing Diablo mostly out of apathy for the other options: Wind Waker looked like utter crap last round and the ‘Zelda is infallible’ train of thought went out the window with Majora’s Mask, while Halo is… Halo. It almost lost to friggin’ KOTOR. Seems like an obvious choice to me!

Prediction: STAY AWHILE AND LISTEN LOL
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction with 23.40%
Halo: Combat Evolved with 22.88%
Super Smash Bros. Melee with 33.67%
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker with 20.05%

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Lopen | Posted 5/19/2009 9:01:11 PM | message detail | filter | #018
So Chaotic Mind says that WW will lose "a few votes to Halo" but that's it? Uhhhh. Alright 100% fanbase loyalty go.

Wind Waker is the only one I think has basically zero chance here. 25% against Melee and two fodder games is gonna go way down with games that would have a good chance to beat it straight up.
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shadow8021 | Posted 5/19/2009 9:04:41 PM | message detail | filter | #019
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/19/2009 9:36:39 PM | message detail | filter | #020
I'd be surprised if WW managed to advance here. I definitely don't think Melee doubles Halo or Diablo II. It's not that strong, and these games aren't THAT weak. I don't think WW is much stronger than Halo or Diablo II without SFF.
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Kaxon | Posted 5/19/2009 10:28:18 PM | message detail | filter | #021
On the topic of Halo and KOTOR splitting the vote... I have to point out that KOTOR wasn't just an XBox game, it's also a PC RPG. It may overlap with Diablo MORE than it does with Halo, considering the size of the PC vote on this site.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/19/2009 11:21:35 PM | message detail | filter | #022
Ngamer's Rebellious Writeup

Well what do you know- guess Sora and Squall are much better proxies than I gave them credit for! After that world-beating performance in R1 I hesitate to call this a straight up disappointment from FFX... seems more like it did about what we have expected, minus the SFFing of KH that we'd all been counting on. Yes sir, I guess that voters just don't automatically think "Square" where KH is involved for whatever reason; the LFF between FFs has been just brutal, yet today Kingdom Hearts acted as if it were an entirely independent entry. Maybe one (or both?) KHs are going to be making much, much deeper runs than we'd expected... As for Vice City, this was a good showing and one that further validates my claim that all 4 have been performing very consistently. MGS2, however, was once again rather underwhelming; guess I have no choice but to accept that I was wrong and it's the weak link of the series, unless 3 drops a real bomb on us.

I'm expecting some fireworks from tonight's matchup! Sure it's going to be kind of pointless considering how weak all these options for 2nd place are (well I actually think Wind Waker has respectable strength, just not when Melee's hanging around), but I could still see this resulting in a few lead changes and comebacks. First things first: Melee's going to go to town on these chumps. Maybe that roster screenshot for a match pic is what's raising my confidence, but for whatever reason I have this hunch that SSB comes out of this one looking like a champ, despite the fact that modern Nintendo hasn't impressed when split between two options.

Even if my hunch is way off though, it's still a lock for first, meaning the real question is who goes home with the silver. You could make a good case for Halo, it seems to me... sure KotOR and D2 must have some overlap, but its still mainly seen as an Xbox game and as HM correctly pointed out a fanbase split might be devastating given that console's low ownership numbers. Unfortunately there's also a number of things working against Halo: Melee was the more definitive multiplayer experience of the 128 bit generation (and as GE vs MK64 showed us, that could be crucial), DII's the sole RPG choice this time around, DII will once again be allowed to dominate overnight (considering Europe and Asia's low opinion of post-N64 Nintendo, and the Xbox in general), and there's not going to be any massive ASV comeback like last time, not with Day Vote titans like SSB and Zelda there to soak up the votes.

With all those factors working against Halo I was all set to go against my bracket and back DII in this one. And then StarCraft happened. I realize what a tough sell a PC-only RTS must be on an RPG-crazy site like this, but even so SC was SO far back of its '04 strength and did so very little beyond those first three hours that I had no choice but to lose a good deal of respect for the Blizzard base. Sure, they're not going to allow Diablo to lose a close match, but now I have doubts about them being able to keep it tight enough for that rally potential to matter. Guess I've got to side with Halo, though I do so with zero confidence.

Speaking of zero confidence, I also think it's a mistake to count Zelda out entirely! I mean, even Majora managed 22% despite having to deal with a 3 way Nintendo split- it just seems extremely difficult to keep a Zelda option below 20%, regardless of the competition. If Melee really kicks it into gear as so many other Mario titles have done lately that might be all it takes to advance. But, ehhh, I'll play it safe and stick with Halo.
Ngamer64 | Posted 5/19/2009 11:21:46 PM | message detail | filter | #023
(...oh jeez, did I just use "safe" and "Halo" in the same sentence? all of a sudden I've got a huge sinking feeling regarding this pick!)

Super Smash Bros. Melee - 37.95%
Halo: Combat Evolved - 21.80%
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction - 20.87%
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 19.38%

Ermm.... okay?

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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/20/2009 12:56:16 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #024
Final Fantasy X-------------------31.49% 38056
Metal Gear Solid 2---------------22.44% 27117
Kingdom Hearts-------------------27.74% 33528
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City----18.33% 22151
TOTAL VOTES-----------------------------120852

Matches Completely Correct - 27
Matches Partially Correct - 16
Matches Completely Wrong - 0


What Happened - FFX takes first, but not too far behind, KH takes second.


Why it Happened - KH once AGAIN holds up to Final Fantasy. It didn't really get SFFed much here. Instead, it actually hurt FFX and brought it down. With KH not getting SFFed, MGS2 didn't stand a chance.


What Will Happen - FFX and KH may end up killing each other off at this rate.


Crew Prediction Challenge - 5 members get points

Tran - 28
Guest - 27
HM - 25
Moltar - 24
Leon - 22
Ed - 20
Lopen - 18


Crew Accuracy Challenge - Leon gets the point for FFX, LMS gets the point for KH, VC, and nails MGS2 dead on.

HM - 41
Moltar - 38
Tran - 30
Guest (Luster, Zylo (3), HaRR, Kleenex (2), Soul, TRT, KP (3), Chaotic, Ngamer, GfK (3), Trout, BDawg (2), Luis, LMS (3)) - 24
Lopen - 22
Leon - 21
Ed - 20
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Moltar Status: complete global saturation
Match 44 - Bracket: SSBM > Halo - Vote: SSBM (147/216)
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/20/2009 1:10:02 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #025
Also, awesome news alert. The Crew archives are finally up!

http://thecrew.speedrunwiki.com/

There you can find every Crew Topic from 2005 on. You can also see my write-ups for both 2004 contests too! I know some people have wanted to go through these old topics again, so now you finally get to.

Credit for this goes to Ngamer. Great guy right there.
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Match 44 - Bracket: SSBM > Halo - Vote: SSBM (147/216)
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 1:15:54 AM | message detail | filter | #026
Chaotic Mind | Posted 5/20/2009 2:31:42 AM | message detail | filter | #027

From: Lopen | #017
So Chaotic Mind says that WW will lose "a few votes to Halo" but that's it? Uhhhh. Alright 100% fanbase loyalty go.

Wind Waker is the only one I think has basically zero chance here. 25% against Melee and two fodder games is gonna go way down with games that would have a good chance to beat it straight up.


Yeah, you called it right Lopen. I just couldn't envision Celda fans liking D2 or Halo more. I didn't realize that a good portion of Celda's percentage last round was probably apathy votes, or "not melee" votes as tranny put it.

Wait a minute, you picked Halo! And gave it a higher percentage than it got last round! Bah, you're no better than me!
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/20/2009 4:06:28 AM | message detail | filter | #028
Yay for Guest!
Ngamer64 | Posted 5/20/2009 5:57:21 PM | message detail | filter | #029
Hmm, going to be busy all afternoon and then I'm heading out to catch the midnight showing of Terminator, so I'll have to catch up with a later writeup. Here's my pick though ahead of time:

Metal Gear Solid 3 - 33.31%
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - 23.29%
World of Warcraft - 22.34%
Tales of Symphonia - 21.06%

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transients | Posted 5/20/2009 7:41:22 PM | message detail | filter | #030
I'm expecting TOS to be the crew fave today for some reason.
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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/20/2009 7:49:17 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #031
now that's just silly
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Match 44 - Bracket: SSBM > Halo - Vote: SSBM (147/216)
Lopen | Posted 5/20/2009 7:58:06 PM | message detail | filter | #032

Wait a minute, you picked Halo! And gave it a higher percentage than it got last round! Bah, you're no better than me!


While it's true I may have been wrong, but at least I had an argument. I really did think the low ownership of the X-Box screwed Halo over big time in SFF situations. Seems that wasn't the case.

And LET'S GO TOS!
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Lopen | Posted 5/20/2009 8:01:34 PM | message detail | filter | #033
And also:

I don't think Wind Waker's votes were apathy. No game has 100% fanbase devotion. Wind Waker fans preferring Halo or Diablo 2 should not be too hard to stomach. Games are games.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/20/2009 8:02:56 PM | message detail | filter | #034
Yeah, not everyone just forces them into one genre of games. For example, if Diablo 2 wasn't there, I woulda voted for Wind Waker. And I'm sure there are many people like that that may like games of totall different genres.
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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/20/2009 9:10:46 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #035
Division 7: Round 2 - Match 45 – The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion vs. Tales of Symphonia vs. Metal Gear Solid 3 vs. World of Warcraft

Moltar’s Analysis

Oblivion
Round 1 - 26.79% vs. Tales of Symphonia, God of War and San Andreas

Oblivion takes first in the closest four-way match of the contest

Tales of Symphonia
Round 1 - 25.00% vs. Oblivion, God of War and San Andreas

Justice and love will always win!

Metal Gear Solid 3
Round 1 - 35.35% vs. Vice City, Metroid Prime and Paper Mario

Decent showing from MGS3

World of Warcraft
Round 1 - 24.02% vs. Kingdom Hearts, Metroid Prime and Paper Mario

bleh

If this match were like a football team, Metal Gear Solid 3 would be the star quarterback. The rest of the team isn’t that good, but MGS3 can pull the team through the tough. It’s easily the top game here. However, it needs a second man; someone to give that ball to. There’s WoW or Oblivion for the hand-off, and they’re good enough to get the ball down the field. However, there’s one team player waaaaaaaay down on the field, right in the end zone. That player’s name is Tales of Symphonia.

MGS3: **** it, I’m going deep.

I have MGS3 > GTA:SA in my bracket, and SA kind of bombed last round. Therefore, I’m in “Screw the rules, I have favorites” mode. ToS surprised many last round when it took second over favorites GTA and God of War. Yeah, that four-pack was weak, but if the other GTA games are any indication, it wasn’t COMPLETE garbage. Plus, ToS stands out again here!

Then there’s MGS3’s R1 match, where it embarrassed WoW and Halo 2. With the original MGS not looking impressive, MGS2 not doing well at all, and ‘lol Halo games’, WoW doesn’t look too hot.

Yeah, Oblivion beat ToS last round, and WoW should have a sturdy fanbase, but you know what? I’m throwing reason out and kicking logic to the curb. ToS is going to do the impossible and take second!

(can you tell how much apathy i have towards this contest)

Moltar’s Bracket Says: MGS3 > ToS

Moltar’s Prediction is: MGS3: 32% - ToS: 24% - Oblivion: 23% - WoW: 21%



Lopen’s Analysis

After seeing Halo's terrible performance today, and using my general expectations of the strengths of all the games that weren't Halo 2 last round, I feel safe writing WoW off to place in this match. It's not strong, it's just that Halo 2 sucked that bad. Comparing Okami to ToS is probably a mistake, as ToS actually has GotY history to support its strength. This is a stronger pack, so it's got nowhere to go but down.

MGS3 meanwhile probably is pretty safe to take first, but I wouldn't be too positive of that. At this point I think ToS/Oblivion had the tougher pack last round. San Andreas or GoW probably beat Halo 2 or WoW. MGS3 did have a rather dominating win, so I won't take it to get second here, but I don't think it's gonna get a free pass through this one either.

So then, in the match of Oblivion and ToS, who for second? Well, might as well let fanboyism prevail and go with ToS. It should be a HUNTING BEAST with the board vote, and in case of close match, break glass and go with the board favorite. If nothing else, it's got the pic advantage and the potential Oblivion/WoW PC vote split.

Lopen's Prediction:
MGS3 – 29.99%
Tales of Symphonia. TO THE FINALS BABY – 27.66%
Oblivion – 25.33%
WoW – 17.02%



Transience’s Analysis

Tomorrow's match is a lot like today's -- a bunch of weak-ish games that are in the same vicinity strength-wise but probably won't be close.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/20/2009 9:11:06 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #036
We've got three RPGs dueling for second here, but they're all very different. Oblivion is a WRPG, Warcraft's an MMORPG and Tales is a JRPG. If I had to guess where the most overlap would lie, it'd be with the WRPG and the MMO. They play somewhat similarly, they're all about the huge world and exploration, they're both primarily PC games (though Oblivion might be better known for its 360 version on this site). The counterargument is that Warcraft players only play Warcraft and wouldn't betray it for anything (HARDCORE FANBASE), but that's definitely not true. We'll see Warcraft lower today than round 1.

That leaves the possibility of TOS placing, and it seems more likely this round than last. TOS got a great draw this bracket: three "mature", dark games in round 1, three more in round 2. TOS stands out here just like it did in round 1. However, I think MGS3 actually presents an obstacle for TOS - before, it had the niche market locked up, but those people tend to like Metal Gear Solid a lot too. Again, I have no reason for thinking this, but I think it's true.

But ultimately, I don't feel good about abandoning World of Warcraft. Today's Halo bomb suggests Bad Things about it if it couldn't blow out a Halo game, but at the same time, beating GTA and God of War by inches isn't all that impressive either. I think that dumb fanbase holds up here pretty well, and we've got an interesting round 3 coming up with the winner of KH2/RE4/TP. (hey, a good match! unlike these!)

transience's prediction:

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - 21%
Tales of Symphonia - 22%
Metal Gear Solid 3 - 34%
World of Warcraft - 23%



Leonhart’s Analysis

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion: Oblivion was expected by many to advance to this point, but not many expected it to do so in first place. It beat Tales of Symphonia by around 2000 votes. It’s in a good position to advance here because none of the competition for second place is that good. Oblivion has already proven it can beat ToS, and World of Warcraft didn’t do anything impressive last round to make itself an overwhelming favorite. It won’t challenge Snake Eater unless it turns out to be a pretty strong game, but last round doesn’t seem to imply that.

Tales of Symphonia: Tales of Symphonia coming back and holding off God of War was one of the best parts of round one (which partially tells you how boring it was), and it’s looking for another upset. It’s in another favorable position because it doesn’t have to worry about any of these games stealing its votes like last round. ToS is the most unique game in the poll and the only one released on a Nintendo console. There is also the possibility that Oblivion and World of Warcraft affect each other. Even something small could be enough to make the difference here and put Tales of Symphonia in round three.

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater: Snake Eater looked good, though not great, last round. It won the last match by enough to avoid having to worry about getting anything but first place here (barring some weird fluke that this format is famous for by now). One thing to pay attention for with MGS3 here that many didn’t even think about before the contest is the fact that it’s going to be contending for second place next round. MGS3 needs to put some distance between it and the rest of these games to set itself up as a serious contender next round.

World of Warcraft: World of Warcraft did what it needed to in order to get to round two and prevented Halo 2 from making any serious run at it with the day vote. It didn’t come anywhere near MGS3 though, so it’s still got something to prove to me. I don’t think it’s much stronger than Oblivion or Tales of Symphonia, if it is at all. I think it’s probably the favorite here for second, but it’s not a lock. This is not a strong game, by any means.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/20/2009 9:11:54 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #037
Leonhart’s Vote: Feeding on a tree frog with Snake Eater!

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Oblivion – 23.02%
Tales of Symphonia – 23.44%
Metal Gear Solid 3 – 31.42%
World of Warcraft – 22.13%



Guest’s Analysis - KamikazePotato

WoW takes last.

Really, its win looks worse and worse every day. 40% against MGS3 isn’t so great when Vice City can get 45% against MGS2. Same goes with 52.5% against Halo 2 after Halo goes and loses to Wind Waker while Melee is in the poll. WoW could win, I guess, if only because of the general screwiness surrounding it…but I see it ending up a distant last place way before that happens.

MGS3 takes first, but not convincingly in the slightest. Oblivion is worth – at the very least – 45% on MGS2, and I can’t see MGS3 being much stronger than MGS2. MGS3 looked okay last round, but in reality all it did was beat up on some games GameFAQs simply doesn’t care about (World of Warcraft? Okami? Halo 2?), and it didn’t even manage to do that well on them. I don’t think it’s in danger of not getting first, but I do think it gets exposed today.

Symphonia vs. Oblivion is the main event here. Oblivion is the statistical favorite going in, having gotten 1st last round. However, I think that Symphonia ends up edging it out (surprise surprise), for two reasons.

1. Symphonia’s win last round came out of nowhere. Seriously, what the hell. I had it placing in my Guest Analysis and I still had no faith in it! These kinds of wins tend to help games down the run…I suppose calling it a mini-bandwagon would suffice.
2. If any two games in the poll overlap, it’s Oblivion and World of Warcraft. Oblivion draws a decent amount of its strength from the PC crowd, and is practically a single-player MMORPG anyway.

Neither should amount to anything huge, but ToS and Oblivion were separated by 2125 votes and a few percent last right. It should take anything but a nudge in the right direction for ToS to advance.

Metal Gear Solid 3: 30%
Tales of Symphonia: 25.5%
Oblivion: 24.5%
World of Warcraft: 20%

I like my percents divisible by .5!



Crew Consensus: MGS3 > ToS is the Crew favorite! Buncha fanboyz up in here.
Ed Bellis | Posted 5/20/2009 9:12:58 PM | message detail | filter | #038
I was so close!

Match 44

I don’t feel very qualified to analyze this match, since I called half of it wrong. >_> MGS3 seems like the favorite to advance, but second place is a crapshoot. Oblivion impressed last round while Symphonia kept it close, and World of Warcraft is… World of Warcraft. I can’t shake the feeling that, despite Starcraft flopping terribly, WoW still has some strength left in it. Oblivion will test it, but I’ll be backing WoW for a photo finish.

Prediction: more like photo FINNISH what
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion with 23.41%
Tales of Symphonia with 18.59%
Metal Gear Solid 3 with 34.34%
World of Warcraft with 23.66%^

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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/20/2009 9:17:32 PM | message detail | filter | #039
Crew with Symphonia you'd better not jinx this

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Ed Bellis | Posted 5/20/2009 9:18:06 PM | message detail | filter | #040
i am apparently too MAVERICK for the crew
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Lopen | Posted 5/20/2009 9:27:44 PM | message detail | filter | #041
Two for WoW, none for Oblivion, awesome.

HM please pick Oblivion.
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transients | Posted 5/20/2009 9:33:19 PM | message detail | filter | #042
called it!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 10:52:02 PM | message detail | filter | #043
I'm surprised no one took Oblivion. Not surprised the Crew favors ToS here though.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 10:55:12 PM | message detail | filter | #044
Heck, the fact that no one picked it almost guarantees Oblivion takes second.

Watching ToS's board vote will be fun though.
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transience | Posted 5/21/2009 12:39:19 AM | message detail | filter | #045
likin' my pick today.

well, except for the twisted feeling that I'm glad Warcraft is winning. really, I'm just glad we can get on to the better games next round -- big match tomorrow.
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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/21/2009 1:13:37 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #046
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction-----------25.12% 30619
Halo: Combat Evolved--------------------18.23% 22215
Super Smash Bros. Melee----------------36.97% 45050
The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker------19.68% 23988
TOTAL VOTES---------------------------------------121872

Matches Completely Correct - 28
Matches Partially Correct - 16
Matches Completely Wrong - 0


What Happened - SSBM takes first in an easy win. SFFed Wind Waker and weak Halo are no match for Diablo, which retains a very large portion of its percent from last round.


Why it Happened - SFFed WW wasn't going to take second. Kind of surprised Diablo held up as well as it did. Game is looking pretty legit and definitely seems to be the strongest of the Blizzard trio. Halo...yeah KotOR wasn't really holding you back.


What Will Happen - FFX/KH/SSBM/D2...hmm


Crew Prediction Challenge - 4 members get points

Tran - 29
Guest - 27
HM - 26
Moltar - 25
Leon - 22
Ed - 21
Lopen - 18


Crew Accuracy Challenge - Moltar gets the point for SSBM, Ed gets the point for D2, HM gets the point for Halo, and Moltar and HM get points for WW

HM - 43
Moltar - 40
Tran - 30
Guest (Luster, Zylo (3), HaRR, Kleenex (2), Soul, TRT, KP (3), Chaotic, Ngamer, GfK (3), Trout, BDawg (2), Luis, LMS (3)) - 24
Lopen - 22
Leon - 21
Ed - 21
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Match 45 - Bracket: MGS3 > GTA - Vote: MGS3 (151/224)
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/21/2009 6:48:15 AM | message detail | filter | #047
Well, I picked Oblivion.

Did anybody pick GTA: VC to get to round 2? I did.
MasterMoltar | Posted 5/21/2009 10:12:20 AM | message detail | filter | #048
That's what the Crew archives are for!

And no, everyone on the Crew had MP and KH advancing.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/21/2009 10:34:37 AM | message detail | filter | #049
Oh man, a potential no point day! It's been too long since we've had one of those! Go Oblivion!
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/21/2009 10:35:33 AM | message detail | filter | #050
I would have gotten a point!
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