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Best Game Ever 2 Contest Analysis Crew (Part Three)

Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/13/2009 9:27:18 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #351

From: LinkMarioSamus | #349
SMK > MK64 > MKDS > MKWii > SC

Anyways, what's Master Moltar's e-mail address? It's, is it not?

that's correct
Moltar Status: complete global saturation
Match 37 - Bracket: LttP > Doom - Vote: SM (111/160)
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/13/2009 9:29:11 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #352
also MK64 > MKDS > MKWii > SMK > MKDD > MKSC

late to the party but what ever
Moltar Status: complete global saturation
Match 37 - Bracket: LttP > Doom - Vote: SM (111/160)
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/13/2009 12:49:05 PM | message detail | filter | #353
Here we go, Super Mario Kart! Vindication time!
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/13/2009 8:39:09 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #354
Division 3: Round 2 - Match 38 – Final Fantasy VI vs. The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening vs. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. Mortal Kombat II

Moltar’s Analysis

Final Fantasy VI
Round 1 - 40.05% vs. Link’s Awakening, Mega Man X and Phantasy Star IV

Hey FF6 you look weaker than before

Link’s Awakening
Round 1 - 31.35% vs. Final Fantasy VI, Mega Man X and Phantasy Star IV

Link’s Awakening silences the doubters with this performance

Sonic 2
Round 1 - 37.32% vs. Mortal Kombat II, Secret of Mana and Shining Force II

More like Sonic po-

Mortal Kombat 2
Round 1 - 30.10% vs. Sonic 2, Secret of Mana and Shining Force II

More like Mortal Kombat po-

*We now interrupt this regularly scheduled analysis to bring more poorly written…fanfiction.*

Previously, Mario and his squad ran into the Captain of Squad 4, Cecil, and the Captain of Squad 1, Fighter. Both Squads 1 and 4, along with Squad 2, surrounded the team. The team decided that Mario should head on to while the rest of them handled the Squads.

A world united,
Becomes divided,
War starts without fail
Now witness the tale

8: Terra

*In front of Centro Midgar*

Link: The front gate of Centro Midgar…I’ve made it. Now I can finally get to the bottom of all of this.

Terra: ‘Go and Slice, Roku.’ *Two curved purple energy slices hit the ground in front of Link, causing him to stop in his path.*

Link: Terra!

Terra: That’s Captain Branford to you, trespasser. I’m impressed you made it here, but you won’t be getting inside.

Link: I must! I have to find out why you attacked us!

Terra: You want to know why? It’s because we learned that you were going to attack us! We just got the jump on you.

Link: What? That’s not true at all…

Terra: It’s too late to get out of this now. Hah! *Fires more attacks, which are blocked by Link*

Link: There’s no point in trying to reason with her. I have to get past. Lon Lon Transform! *transforms into Goron Link and charges at Terra*

Terra: You fool…*she fires a large energy blast at Link, and he is blown back by it* You should know I’m stronger than that.

Link: Grrr *gets back up*

Terra: Plus, I heard you defeated Zidane in his Overlimit form. Let me tell you something, only the strongest captains can learn Overlimit. Zidane had just learned his a few days ago, but he hasn’t had any time to practice it. That’s why you beat him easily. However, I am one of the top four captains who have mastered my Overlimit form. You stand zero chance of beating me.

Link: *thinking*…This isn’t good. She’s much stronger than the others we’ve faced. I’m going to have to use my final transformation.

Terra: So Link, are you ready to concede?

Link: Lon Lon…Transform! *a huge burst of wind and energy erupts out of Link as he transforms into Fierce Deity Link*

Terra: You stubborn idiot! Fine then! ‘Overlimit! Ultimo Fantasía, Roku!’ *Terra’s sword disappears and she is covered by a large purple cloak with wings* Prepare to be overwhelmed by my magic!

~*To Be Continued*~

I have FF6 > MMX here. Silly me though that this was going to be a battle between MMX and Sonic 2 for second!

Anyway there were some weird R1 matches. First FF6/LA/MMX was all weird. FF6 didn’t look great and LA did pretty well on it while beating MMX. However, MMX looked okay relative to FF6. So does this mean Link’s Awakening is pretty damn strong? Or has FF6 fallen a good amount? Then there’s Sonic 2 letting Secret of Mana get 41% on it.

Looks like it’s going to be FF6 > Link’s Awakening again. This should be pretty boring as there’s a clear gap in strength between all the games here.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/13/2009 8:39:34 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #355
Moltar’s Bracket Says: FF6 > MMX

Moltar’s Prediction is: FF6: 34% - Zelda: LA: 28% - Sonic 2: 21% - Mortal Kombat 2: 17%

Heroic Mario’s Analysis

This should be one of the more uneventful matches of round 2. It'll be interesting to see if FFVI/LA goes exactly like round 1 showed, or if FFVI can rebound and put a bigger hurting on LA than it did before. Some people seem to believe that LA's performance last round wasn't legit, so we'll get a chance to see if that's true today.

Other than that, there's not much to see here. FFVI is going to take an easy win, LA is guaranteed second place, and that leaves Sonic 2 and Mortal Kombat to fight over the rest. I could maybe see MK2 pulling off an upset if LA hurts Sonic, but after watching SMB3 fail to do anything a few days ago, I don't think anything will happen. Not that it matters -- we're talking about a fight for third.

Although there is something to watch for here that probably no one else will mention. With the addition of Sonic 2 and Mortal Kombat II (subbing in MMX and Phantasy Star), which game do you think is more likely to suffer? If you ask me, Link's Awakening strikes me as the one who'd lose votes from these two joining the match instead of FFVI. Won't be able to prove that at all, but something to look for.

let's do this Final Fantasy VI

Final Fantasy VI -- 37%
Link's Awakening -- 26%
Sonic 2 -- 21%
Mortal Kombat II -- 16%

Bracket: Final Fantasy VI > Mega Man X
Favorites: Final Fantasy VI > ...Sonic 2, I guess!

Lopen’s Analysis

My bracket has MK2 here, but I'm no longer very confident in that. Sonic 1 held up pretty well against SMB3, so I have my doubts as to whether Sonic 2 will collapse in this one. The lead it started off with was smaller, but I'm not thinking that matters enough. It'll be closer, but yeah.

So then, the match is now between Link's Awakening and Sonic 2 for second place. To me, this is solved by looking at the opponents in R1. On Sonic's end, we've got Secret of Mana doing... well, really well. You've also got Shining Force getting around 7%. On Link's end you've got Mega Man X doing pretty well and Phantasy Star Phour getting smashed below Phour percent.

I can't stomach Secret of Mana being all that popular, only RPG in the poll or not. I mean, I've heard of it... but it was never really a game that got that much cred from what I remember. Lost in the sea of SNES RPGs, as I recall. And I wouldn't expect Shining Force to be too much stronger than PS4... though PS4 surely got SFFed a bit. Looks like LA has the advantage. And FF6 did fall to a mere 40% in the poll, making me think that these guys aren't to be trifled with.

But... but... at the same time, I would expect MK2 to beat MMX. Based on well, virtually nothing. “Why are Mortal Kombat characters popular” applies doubly so to MMX, so that's out the window...

Eh, let's go with Link's Awakening. ZELDAFEAR. Really think any of these games have a chance, though.

Lopen's prediction:
Final Fantasy 3 – 32.55%
ZELDA – 24.13%
Sonic 2 – 23.00%
Mortal Kombat 2 – 20.32%

Transience’s Analysis

Hey, SMK made a comeback. This might be halfway interesting if we hadn't already seen it the round prior. SM probably makes a bit of a comeback in the last couple of hours, but SMK looks good to take it. Who cares really.

Tomorrow's match is the most boring of round 2. The most interesting thing is that we get a direct comparison of Mega Man and Sonic -- Mega Man X to Sonic 2. Zelda should be the big fave to win here, but maybe Sonic can pull some magic. Then again, it lost updates to Mortal Kombat 2 so whatever.

The other interesting thing is FF6. In round 1, it looked very beatable when Link's Awakening put up 44% on it. Is this Zelda's strength or FF6's weakness? Or just a fluke?
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/13/2009 8:40:11 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #356
Who knows, and who cares really. This match is pretty blah.

transience's prediction:

Final Fantasy VI - 35%
Zelda: Link's Awakening - 27%
Sonic 2 - 21%
Mortal Kombat 2 - 17%

Leonhart’s Analysis

Final Fantasy VI: FFVI’s one round performance was probably one of the most disappointing for our top tier games. It was so bad that there are several people wondering if it’s even a top ten game anymore. This is a chance for Final Fantasy VI to redeem itself. It should win fairly easily because I really doubt Sonic 2 is any stronger than Mega Man X, and so it won’t pose a threat. While Link’s Awakening got much closer than anyone expected, it wasn’t close enough to worry about an upset. Of course, Mortal Kombat II is a big upgrade over Phantasy Star IV, but that’s really the only difference. FFVI will take first place, but it needs to do so convincingly.

The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening: After watching nearly every Zelda disappoint in some way, LA’s performance last round is even more puzzling. We thought it was just the Zelda game that put it in second place, but we’ve already seen the Zelda name fold to Pokemon, Smash Bros., and Super Mario Bros. Yet Link’s Awakening held up very well to Final Fantasy VI. That’s difficult to explain other than saying that this game is possibly legitimately the 5th strongest Zelda. At the very least, it’s got some real strength. If it can easily beat Mega Man X, I don’t see why Sonic 2 will, especially after how poorly it performed last round. The big question now is how well it holds up to Link to the Past next round.

Sonic the Hedgehog 2: Sonic 2 let Mortal Kombat II get nearly 45% on it, and it let Secret of Mana get 41% on it. Those are not the kind of numbers you want to see if you’ve got this game advancing to the third round (My bracket has MMX advancing here, so at least you’ve got more of a chance of getting points than I do if you’ve got Sonic 2!). The only way Sonic 2 advances here is if somehow Link’s Awakening’s performance in round one was a total fluke and it bombs here. I don’t like placing any confidence in the hedgehog, especially in this format, so I’m not betting on that one.

Mortal Kombat II: The original Mortal Kombat got nearly 27% on Final Fantasy VI in the first Games Contest. Mortal Kombat II should fare better than that, though I don’t know by how much. This is clearly the MK game of choice among the 2-D games and probably of the series overall, but that won’t be enough here. It’s facing three franchises that are bigger than itself, including the two biggest of all. It won’t get completely slaughtered here, but it’s still getting last place.

Leonhart’s Vote: Pity vote for Mortal Kombat II here. FRIENDSHIP!

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Final Fantasy VI – 34.17%
Link’s Awakening – 27.25%
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 – 23.50%
Mortal Kombat II – 19.07%
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/13/2009 8:40:43 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #357
Guest’s Analysis - Chaotic Mind

Quick write-up because i'm tired and i've got a lot going on right now.

Final Fantasy VI - best damn rpg on the snes right here (yes better than Chrono Trigger, though not in contest strength unfortunately). It took first last round over Link's Awakening and Mega Man X and fodder i can't remember (phantasy star iv maybe?). It will take first again here unless Mortal Kombat somehow hurts it more than Link's Awakening (not likely), or Sonic 2 performs worse than MMX did on LA allowing LA to get a SFF boost, maybe enough to surpass FFVI (possible, but still not likely, not the second part anyway).

Link's Awakening - a Zelda gameboy game, and apparently the most popular (i think Minish Cap is better, but it has been over a decade since i played this one so maybe it's better than my hazy memory suggests). Anyway, it got second last round, and it will this round because ZELDA is going to make Sonic 2 collapse faster than the U.S. economy. >_> <_< what, too soon?

Sonic 2 - Sonic against one of Nintendo's biggest franchises? Goodbye Sonic (so he beat Street Fighter, he ain't gettin' past these two)

Mortal Kombat 2 - It lost to Sonic 2 and barely beat Secret of Mana, time for it to show its blood and gore here! (by that i mean it's time for it to die)

Prediction: FFVI>LA

Final Fantasy VI - 36.28%
Mortal Kombat II - 14.10%
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - 21.29%
Zelda: Link's Awakening - 28.33%

Bracket: FFVI>MMX (hey, MMX/LA was a toss-up to me, i knew whichever one took it would take it here too... just banked on the wrong one)
Vote: Final Fantasy VI

Crew Consensus: FF6 > LA yawn
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/13/2009 8:42:44 PM | message detail | filter | #358
KamikazePotato | Posted 5/13/2009 8:44:12 PM | message detail | filter | #359
Test your might!

ZFS | Posted 5/13/2009 8:44:13 PM | message detail | filter | #360
mortal kombat should be under 5% imho

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Lopen | Posted 5/13/2009 8:46:23 PM | message detail | filter | #361
Man I really do think this match has a lot more upset potential than you guys are giving it.

Crew's going to be humiliated again! Mortal Kombat 2 with the OUTSTANDING blindside victory!
No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
ZFS | Posted 5/13/2009 8:50:52 PM | message detail | filter | #362
Leon and Lopen hyping an upset where I have seen this before !

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transients | Posted 5/13/2009 8:53:56 PM | message detail | filter | #363
I actually think we might be overvaluing MK2 here. I could see it flopping when up against games people care about like Zelda and Final Fantasy.
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/13/2009 8:55:29 PM | message detail | filter | #364
Yeah, I'd actually sooner expect MKII to bomb than to upset Sonic 2. I'm just hyping up MKII because there's nothing else to do for this match!
Ed Bellis | Posted 5/13/2009 9:12:22 PM | message detail | filter | #365
Match 38

Time for some SMART MONEYZ. FF6 and Link’s Awakening are very likely so far beyond Sonic 2 and Mortal Kombat II that the latter two games would probably struggle to beat Mega Man X. This isn’t to say that Link’s Awakening is infallible, just that Sonic 2 looked so bad last round, I can’t possibly fathom it getting second here.

It wouldn’t at all surprise me, in fact, to see both FF6 and LA to do better here than in R1 thanks to the lack of another Nintendo-based game.

Boring match yawn

Prediction: how the hell do you people write about this for paragraphs on end
Final Fantasy VI with 40.17%
Zelda: Link's Awakening with 33.55%
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 with 15.00%
Mortal Kombat II with 11.28%

ed status: if it isn't my old nemesis, a truck
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/13/2009 9:14:41 PM | message detail | filter | #366
Ed Bellis | Posted 5/13/2009 9:17:39 PM | message detail | filter | #367
Another Nintendo-based game people care about, I should say!
ed status: i'll lose to FASTFALCON on my own time
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/13/2009 9:17:59 PM | message detail | filter | #368
transients | Posted 5/13/2009 9:20:12 PM | message detail | filter | #369
people care about SF2, too.
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/13/2009 9:20:58 PM | message detail | filter | #370
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/13/2009 9:34:10 PM | message detail | filter | #371
I think Sonic still has a chance to pull off the upset here. Keep in mind that MMX sucks in Europe big time. Sonic has EUROPEFEAR on its side and LA is going to suck overnight because of Asia. I also think that Sonic should be stronger than MMX based on round 1 performances. If you are going solely by the number of votes that Sonic and LA got in round 1, then Sonic wins this:

Sonic the Hedgehog 2 53.13% 40222
Zelda: Link's Awakening 46.87% 35477

Also worth noting that Sonic's match got almost 6000 votes less than the LA match, yet still got almost 5000 votes more than LA. If Sonic's match got the same number of votes as the LA match, then Sonic would have 42235 votes in a match with 113160 votes (which the LA match got).
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but still not as cool as FastFalcon05, Guru Champ!
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/13/2009 9:49:57 PM | message detail | filter | #372
If Sonic pulls off the upset, I will be thrilled. I don't see any reason for it to happen unless last round was a total fluke and MMX is weaksauce.

The latter is possible, admittedly, but it makes FFVI look awful.
transients | Posted 5/13/2009 9:50:48 PM | message detail | filter | #373
EUROPEFEAR what is this
th3l3fty | Posted 5/13/2009 9:54:19 PM | message detail | filter | #374
Sonic 2 gonna fold to the best Zelda game
thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny
I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris
Scott_Pilgrim | Posted 5/13/2009 10:35:41 PM | message detail | filter | #375
No faith in Sonic 2 from the crew? It got more votes than LA that's something.
Oh, sorry, I got distracted by FastFalcon.
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/13/2009 10:39:24 PM | message detail | filter | #376
I would hope so since it got a higher percentage and it won!
Ngamer64 | Posted 5/13/2009 10:56:57 PM | message detail | filter | #377
Final Fantasy VI - 36.73%
Zelda: Link's Awakening - 25.80%
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - 19.99%
Mortal Kombat II - 17.48%

Is my pick, writeup in a bit.

The Guru ROCKS, son!
( & aren't awful either)
Ngamer64 | Posted 5/13/2009 11:35:44 PM | message detail | filter | #378
Ngamer's Rebellious Writeup

Hmm, I suppose that's one more knock against same fanbase/same era/same company matches... even when two entrants are clearly neck and neck in strength to the point where the result comes down to the final 15 minutes, watching it is still a good deal less exciting than your Frog/Master Chiefs and StarCraft/Halos of the past. First because the voting base is so similar that there are no massive Day/Night vote swings, but (IMO) even more importantly because fanbases just aren't able to get a good hate going for one another. I mean even if SMK is your favorite game, is it REALLY possible to be spitting venom at a guy who voted a classic like Super Met instead? I don't think so. And where could you even go to rally for either of the choices? Seems no matter what site you hit something like 40% of the voters there would end up picking the other choice. I guess this also partially speaks to why despite having so many "good" polls, its almost impossible for something in the 4way format to be considered a "great" match. But I digress! Pretty good result for LttP, but I'm much more impressed that DKC was able to hang right in there against such tough and (such overlapping) competition. Atta boy DK!

For tonight, I'm afraid I have to agree that this isn't going to be an especially thrilling match. Which is a weird thing to say considering that the top two franchises on the site are represented, and so is another in the top five(ish)! FF6 really disappointed me last time around, so you think that would be something to watch for, but even there I'm not sold... Sonic is obviously very Nintendo these days and then the original MKs are generally associated with the Genesis, so already we're talking about 6 getting the full advantage of a sore thumb against plenty of overlap; even pushing up near the 40% it managed last time wouldn't necessarily blow me away. Zelda I guess has more to prove since its once again in a less favorable position, but even with a strong showing here it would be tough to get excited, what with LttP dropping by to rain on the parade next round. Bah.

I suppose the most interesting thing to watch for will be if Sonic 2 can match MMX's performance from last round. And I think it'll have a good chance to do so! Just like 4 before it, 6 has been given a very underwhelming picture here while LA is kind of in the same "non iconic" boat as Mario 3, so I wouldn't expect something great like what we saw out of Mario 1 or World or LttP tonight. And MK looks pretty stylin' as well- maybe they'll be able to keep it close to Zelda than most are thinking, allowing FF to run away with the win in the process. I'll make that my final decision.

Final Fantasy VI - 36.73%
Zelda: Link's Awakening - 25.80%
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - 19.99%
Mortal Kombat II - 17.48%

...errr, not so sure about that pick now that I look it over again. Oh well!

The Guru ROCKS, son!
( & aren't awful either)
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/13/2009 11:37:45 PM | message detail | filter | #379
Looks like Ed Bellis has got this one since he's the only one who predicted MKII bombing.
transience | Posted 5/13/2009 11:40:05 PM | message detail | filter | #380
yeah, once I thought about it I was like 'MK2's not gonna do well here', but then I stuck with it anyway. ah well.
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/14/2009 12:09:59 AM | message detail | filter | #381
With LA up almost 1000 votes on Sonic 2 at the end of the first hour, there isn't really any hope left for Sonic 2 to pull a comeback. Man, Sonic 2 looks weak here and most likely won't even do better than 44% on LA directly. Sonic 2 is at 39.74% on LA right now. MMX had 44% on LA last round. I always thought Sonic 2 was stronger than MMX since it got first place in round 1 where as MMX failed to get second.
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but still not as cool as FastFalcon05, Guru Champ!
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/14/2009 1:03:27 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #382
Super Metroid----------------------------------------18.89% 21000
Super Mario Kart------------------------------------18.83% 20944
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past-------50.49% 56147
Donkey Kong Country-----------------------------11.79% 13107
TOTAL VOTES-------------------------------------------------111198

Matches Completely Correct - 22
Matches Partially Correct - 15
Matches Completely Wrong - 0

What Happened - LttP takes first, but the real match was the battle for second. SM/SMK Round 2 did not disappoint, as the two battled it out all day. SM started stronger, but SMK fought back harder. In the end, SM clinched the match in the last hour.

Why it Happened - It's interesting that both games looked to be SFF'd by the same amount. Other than that, it's nothing you didn't see in R1.

What Will Happen - Wonder if Metroid hurts LttP even more next round with Link's Awakening.

Crew Prediction Challenge - 4 members get points

Tran - 23
Guest - 22
HM - 22
Moltar - 19
Ed - 17
Leon - 17
Lopen - 16

Crew Accuracy Challenge - HM and Tran get points for LttP, Ed gets the point for SM, Moltar and HM get points for SMK, and Lopen gets the point for DKC

HM - 37
Moltar - 36
Tran - 26
Guest (Luster, Zylo (3), HaRR, Kleenex (2), Soul, TRT, KP (3), Chaotic, Ngamer, GfK, Trout, BDawg (2), Luis) - 19
Leon - 17
Lopen - 17
Ed - 17
Moltar Status: complete global saturation
Match 38 - Bracket: FF6 > MMX - Vote: Sonic 2 (115/168)
Chaotic Mind | Posted 5/14/2009 1:54:12 PM | message detail | filter | #383

From: LeonhartFour | #379
Looks like Ed Bellis has got this one since he's the only one who predicted MKII bombing.

Hey, i had MKII going pretty low too. Damn you Bellis for going even lower on it than i did!
Flash runs alongside Balefire watching marshmallows stop existing. - WarThaNemesis2
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/14/2009 9:05:05 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #384
Division 4: Round 2 - Match 39 – Goldeneye vs. Super Mario RPG vs. Final Fantasy VII vs. Mario Kart 64

Moltar’s Analysis

Round 1 - 35.97% vs. Super Mario RPG, Resident Evil 2 and Donkey Kong Country 2

I’m not impressed Goldeneye, I’m not impressed.

Super Mario RPG
Round 1 - 31.73% vs. Goldeneye, Resident Evil 2 and Donkey Kong Country 2

SMRPG looks like it has some legit strength.

Final Fantasy VII
Round 1 - 55.05% vs. Mario Kart 64, Star Fox 64 and Suikoden

Solidifying its favorite to win status

Mario Kart 64
Round 1 - 23.57% vs. Final Fantasy VII, Star Fox 64 and Suikoden

Nice performance from MK64.

I have FF7 > Goldeneye here. I believed that they would be the stronger games over RE2 and Mario Kart.

Well RE2 didn’t make it, but luckily it makes this match even easier to call. With Mario RPG here, a split between it and Mario Kart is inevitable. Yeah you’ve got other “SFF-situations” here, but the worst is going to be between the Mario games.

Goldeneye isn’t out of the clear though. It still did struggle with SMRPG last round, which is a big letdown to those who thought it was a top game. Plus, Mario Kart looked very well last round, putting up 30% on FF7. If SMRPG weren’t here, I’d say MK64 would have had a great shot to place.

But it is, so Goldeneye should take second. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention FF7 takes first, but you already knew that, didn’t you.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: FF7 > Goldeneye

Moltar’s Prediction is: FF7: 49% - Goldeneye: 23% - Mario Kart 64: 17% - SMRPG: 11%

Lopen’s Analysis

Tranny for some reason stopped doing haikus in his write-up. I think I missed the memo as to why, whenever that was released. This match is boring, so instead I'm going to try and predict what tranny's haiku would be for this match. Knowing my affinity for haiku, I've probably already done this in the past, but “let's do this” anyway.

double SFF
awaits mario kart here
not a chance in hell

poor mario kart
blasted by pp7
scattered to the winds

beat a barrel roll
but it's not quite the same as
goldeneye's barrel

sephiroth's blue bar
drastically extends in length
it throbs with power

Lopen's prediction:
Final Fantasy 7 – 47%
Goldeneye – 23%
Mario Kart 64 – 15%
Super Mario RPG - 15%

Transience’s Analysis

The match for second place is all about one thing: where's the overlap?

You've got two Mario games, Mario RPG and Mario Kart 64. You've got the two big multiplayer n64 games, Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64. You've even got two nostalgia-heavy RPGs, Super Mario RPG and Final Fantasy VII.

I'm inclined to just let all the overlap go and just judge them by what I think is the strongest. I have a lot of faith in Mario Kart 64 -- I think it's competing with Goldeneye as the third most popular n64 game after Ocarina and Mario 64. I wouldn't take it to outright win, though, and another Mario title being in the poll can't help.

We've already seen Mario RPG lose to Goldeneye, so that shouldn't be a problem unless the n64 games split votes really hard. Plus, FF7 has to nerf some of that support. These are the two RPGs I hear people reference as their first RPG. There's a lot of fond feelings there so I think FF7 could potentially be Mario RPG's worst opponent. Either way, "Square with Nintendo in the title" won't help here when it's up against the top Square game and bigger Nintendo games. I think it gets last.

But as usual, this poll as all about FF7. I think it does really well -- except that I just browsed the Oracle and saw that people were giving it over 50%. These are three strong games. If it breaks 50%, I'll be very impressed.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/14/2009 9:05:45 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #385
transience's prediction:

Final Fantasy VII - 46%
Goldeneye 007 - 21%
Mario Kart 64 - 19%
Super Mario RPG - 14%

Leonhart’s Analysis

GoldenEye 007: GoldenEye may have caught a break by having DKC2 in round one to hinder Mario RPG. It’s not certain that it had any effect, though we definitely won’t figure it out for sure. GoldenEye has the advantage of facing two Mario games, though these Mario games are about as different as can be within the series. I do wonder if GoldenEye and Mario Kart 64 affect each other at all because these were THE multi-player games for the Nintendo 64 (You could argue Super Smash Bros., but that came along toward the end of the system’s lifespan). I don’t see any reason to think GoldenEye doesn’t advance here though.

Super Mario RPG: I’m interested to see how these games split. The only game that should be entirely unaffected among these three is Final Fantasy VII (although FFVII and Mario RPG are both Square RPGs, so…!). Super Mario RPG and Mario Kart 64 may split, but while they’re both Mario games, they appeal to different audiences, and they’re on different consoles. It’s hard to say how much effect they have on one another. I think they affect each other to the point that GoldenEye still manages to take second place. Who wins between Super Mario RPG and Mario Kart 64 though? I don’t have any idea.

Final Fantasy VII: Final Fantasy VII is in an ideal situation to perform very well. It’s facing three games that are Nintendo console exclusives, and the one game that wouldn’t appeal to Nintendo traditionalists (GoldenEye) doesn’t appeal to FFVII’s fanbase. While Super Mario RPG and Final Fantasy VII are both Square RPGs, I don’t expect much overlap. There may be a little, but people didn’t buy Mario RPG because Square made it. Now that I think about it, Mario RPG and Final Fantasy VII were my first two RPGs, but I don’t know if I could’ve told you at the time that the same company made them both!

Mario Kart 64: I’m interested in seeing how well Mario Kart 64 holds up in this poll. It did very well against Final Fantasy VII last round, and it’s facing two other popular games. I still think Mario Kart 64 is a well-loved game, and I think it could possibly beat GoldenEye here. This is a strange match because you could honestly argue for splits in several different places, as I’ve already stated. Still, for as many intangibles and variables that this match has, the result seems pretty obvious. But if GoldenEye somehow lost, I won’t be surprised.

Leonhart’s Vote: One of the toughest choices yet…Mario Kart 64.

Leonhart’s Prediction:

GoldenEye 007 – 19.74%
Super Mario RPG – 15.30%
Final Fantasy VII – 47.07%
Mario Kart 64 – 17.89%
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/14/2009 9:06:05 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #386
Ed Bellis’s Analysis

The strongest game in the contest returns for another round of ass-kicking. The big battle here, however, is for second place. Logistically any of these games could move on.

Mario RPG was very close to Goldeneye last round, and without the presence of another SNES hit, it might surge ahead. Meanwhile, Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64 will be sharing an N64 fanbase. Either way, there’s a surprisingly good argument to be made for SMRPG.

Goldeneye, too, has a good argument: it beat MK64 head-up, it has strength on the top 10 list, did reasonably well in 2004, etc.

But I’ll be siding with Mario Kart 64, if for no other reason than I just can’t bring myself to trust Goldeneye. It still baffles me how the game has any strength when it hasn’t aged well at all (nostalgia, I suppose). The Karts have looked damn good this contest, and 23 percent on FF7 is nothing to sneeze at.

Prediction: **** you banana peels
GoldenEye 007 with 19.52%
Super Mario RPG with 17.48%
Final Fantasy VII with 43.01%
Mario Kart 64 with 19.99%

Crew Consensus: FF7 > Goldeneye yawn…wait Ed has FF7 > MK64!
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/14/2009 9:06:44 PM | message detail | filter | #387
No guest?
I can feel it coming over me; I feel it all around me.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/14/2009 9:07:23 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #388
Moltar Status: complete global saturation
Match 38 - Bracket: FF6 > MMX - Vote: Sonic 2 (115/168)
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/14/2009 9:08:57 PM | message detail | filter | #389
Can't let tran get too far ahead so here.

Impromptu Gues Analysis

FF7 bombs here, no I an not fishing for crew points or trying to fuel LttP > FF7, this is actually what I put down for my oracle prediction.

GoldenEye 007 - 23.84%
Super Mario RPG - 20.41%
Final Fantasy VII - 35.21%
Mario Kart 64 - 20.54%
I can feel it coming over me; I feel it all around me.
transients | Posted 5/14/2009 9:09:19 PM | message detail | filter | #390
haikus are a pain to do with games. characters are usually only a couple syllables, but games are 5 and 6. plus I've just run out of material.

for big matches I'll bust them out! this is not a big match though.

also I never want to hear you complain about whole percents again!
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 9:11:44 PM | message detail | filter | #391
No HM?

These are the two RPGs I hear people reference as their first RPG.

Super Mario RPG and FFVII were my first two RPGs, in that order!

And I could see FFVII going over 50% if it pulls a Mario World and transcends above the Nintendo LFF cluster.
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 9:12:33 PM | message detail | filter | #392
Also, come on, Bed Ellis! Score another upset!
transients | Posted 5/14/2009 9:15:19 PM | message detail | filter | #393
yeah, that is possible. but this is much stronger competition than last round and it struggled to break 55.
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 9:16:25 PM | message detail | filter | #394
Mario World faced much stronger competition, too, and...well...

I do think it SFF hammered Mega Man 3 though. FFVII could do that to Mario RPG, I guess.
transients | Posted 5/14/2009 9:17:05 PM | message detail | filter | #395
I still say Mario World is the exception, not the rule. otherwise we'd expect all sorts of wild things.
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/14/2009 9:48:35 PM | message detail | filter | #396
Hey transience, why are you posting with your "transients" account instead of your "transience" account?

Also, come on, Bed Ellis! Score another upset!

That would be cool to see. I just looked in my bracket and realized that I picked MK64 for second. Can't believe I made a bad mistake like that, but the upset could still happen.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/14/2009 9:55:30 PM | message detail | filter | #397
I wouldn't be too surprised if GoldenEye didn't advance. All the same, I'm throwing my vote to it due to all the replayability.
ZFS | Posted 5/14/2009 9:56:40 PM | message detail | filter | #398

Final Fantasy VII is the clear first place here. The only question is whether or not it's going to be above or below 50%. After last round's 'normal' mid-50s, I'd be surprised if it could manage to not lose 5% against significantly stronger competition. It could end up surprising since the other three games are all Nintendo, plus SMRPG losing a ton of the 'RPG' vote to FFVII, but I don't see it pulling a Mario World here and overperforming.

Second place is a little trickier, but I think Goldeneye stands out enough to take it. It already beat SMRPG last round, so that shouldn't even be in contention when you add in another Mario game and FFVII. That leaves MK64, which could be weaker than SMRPG or stronger, depending on where you stand. I think it's strong, but also think another Mario game in the poll is gonna hurt it a fair bit, enough to let Goldeneye slip by.

Final Fantasy VII -- 48%
Goldeneye -- 21%
Mario Kart 64 -- 18%
Super Mario RPG -- 13%

Bracket: Final Fantasy VII > Goldneye
Favorites: Final Fantasy VII > Super Mario RPG

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The Real Truth | Posted 5/14/2009 10:06:11 PM | message detail | filter | #399
How can people think SM RPG overlaps with Mario Kart more than Goldeneye?
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transients | Posted 5/14/2009 10:25:30 PM | message detail | filter | #400
not sure what you mean - there's no doubt that SMRPG is closer to MK64 than Goldeneye.

but if you're saying that MK64/007 overlap > SMRPG/MK64 overlap, I'd probably agree. too bad there's an FF7 in the way.