GameFAQs Contests
Best Game Ever 2 Contest Analysis Crew (Part Three)
I
think one of my favorites parts of each early match is the NGamer
posting his writeup, checking the poll, and then usually coming back
and going "Wow! How the heck did that happen?" It adds some perspective to the match while also being funny. A great combination! --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
Glad I didn't stick with my bracket on this one! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
I hope the crew is bringing their "love" of Pokemon into the analysis tonight! --- Should I start running now? |
aww yeah HM droppin' out of the top spot time for tran vs. GUEST --- xyzzy |
Guest has this. --- I'm gonna keep on going, I know I'll be strong. http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Javer8000/FanimeCon2008/Sandbag.jpg |
And I surpass Ed Bellis with this one! Aw yeah Heh, Galaxy > CoD4 would have probably been the consensus at the beginning of this contest. It'll be interesting to see if anyone sides with DP tonight. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
given the Crew's disdain of Pokemon, I wouldn't expect many, if any. --- xyzzy |
Never underestimate POKEFEAR --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
From: Lopen | #026 haha this was my reaction, I thought for sure HL2 > FF12 was the consensus. Feels good man. --- I seem to have prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, and now I have a bit of a mess on my hands |
Final Fantasy XII---------------------------------23.65% 30065 Half-Life 2-----------------------------------------25.85% 32865 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney-------------------11.4% 14495 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess-------39.1% 49715 TOTAL VOTES--------------------------------------------127140 Matches Completely Correct - 15 Matches Partially Correct - 13 Matches Completely Wrong - 0 What Happened - TP takes first as expected. FF12/HL2 debate ends in a victory for HL2 by a small margin. Phoenix does nothing here. Why it Happened - HL2 >> HL. Things weren't looking good for it before this, but it still managed to pull in a quarter of the vote and take second. FFXII didn't do too bad here either. What Will Happen - RE4/KH2/TP/HL2 wow that's going to be good. Crew Prediction Challenge - Lopen Upset Special Tran - 17 HM - 17 Guest - 17 Moltar - 13 Ed - 12 Leon - 12 Lopen - 12 Crew Accuracy Challenge - Ed gets the point for TP, GfK gets the point for FFXII, Lopen gets the point for HL2, and Leon gets the point for PW Moltar - 27 HM - 26 Tran - 20 Guest (Luster, Zylo (3), HaRR, Kleenex (2), Soul, TRT, KP (3), Chaotic, Ngamer, GfK) - 15 Leon - 14 Lopen - 13 Ed - 12 --- Moltar Status: ahh, there you are Match 29 - Bracket: SSBB > GTA4 - Vote: SSBB (77/112) |
Comin' for ya, Moltar ! --- a metal slime appears |
Picking Pokemon: POKEFEAR Picking CoD4: anti-pokemon bracket lover you can't win here --- Moltar Status: ahh, there you are Match 29 - Bracket: SSBB > GTA4 - Vote: SSBB (77/112) |
Be a man, pick... whatever the fourth game is. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Heavy + Spy = A spy who fails at doing his job --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
Did
you see the amount of teammates around the Heavy? The Spy is just being
smart so he can pull off a conga line of death later on. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
Oh, right. Reverse Team SFF vs the antagonists of Pokemon + Reverse Shooter SFF against CoD4. I think we have a winner here. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Division 8: Round 1 - Match 30 – Call of Duty 4 vs. Pokemon Diamond/Pearl vs. Super Mario Galaxy vs. Team Fortress 2 Moltar’s Analysis CoD4 2004 Results: N/A That one shooter that’s not Halo or Gears. Pokemon D/P 2004 Results: N/A RBY and GS did well, but does GameFAQs care about the newer versions? Super Mario Galaxy 2004 Results: N/A Game of the Forever TF2 2004 Results: N/A Only game here not in contention to place. 2007 GotY poll says Galaxy > Halo-hindered CoD4, Pokemon splits with Galaxy, CoD4 takes first. Really though, Galaxy takes first here easy. 2007 GotY poll wasn’t THAT long ago, but even the last division made the 2006 one completely irrelevant. CoD4 most likely does worse now that it’s been out for a while and not in the spotlight. Also shooters have been kind of sucking, but I don’t expect CoD4 to look as bad as Halo or Gears did. It seems to get more respect than the other two, and really helped revitalize the CoD franchise. Hell, people are even jumping all over World at War. So CoD4 looks fine and all, and it’s in my bracket, but god damn does Pokemon scare the hell out of me. RBY is potential Top 10, GS is potential Top 20. DP is new school, which hurts it, and Lucario did suck it up, but this is one case where the game is going to be much bigger than the character. It’s very tough to say how it will do, as DP skews to a much younger audience than the older fans who helped make the other games so strong. However, DP does get high praise from its older fans as well so that might end up being a non-factor. Also, I think that DP having a younger base helps separate it from Galaxy, which a majority of the older Nintendo fans should flock to. TF2 is also going to get a solid percentage here, and that doesn’t help CoD4. It’s less of an anchor than Halo, but its presence makes it harder for me to feel good with CoD4 > DP. So to sum it up, shooters looking bad, CoD4 may follow suit. Pokemon looking great, DP may follow suit. CoD4 only has TF2 to worry about here, while Pokemon has the much bigger problem to deal with that is Galaxy. Give me Pokemon here, I guess. Platnium is still fresh and I’ve already underestimated the Pokefreakz twice (seriously I love the series but how do you vote it over MM, MGS and Galaxy what is wrong with you) so third time’s the charm. Moltar’s Bracket Says: Galaxy > CoD4 Moltar’s Prediction is: Galaxy: 38% - Pokemon D/P: 24% - CoD4: 23% - TF2: 15% Heroic Mario’s Analysis The third and final match with one of Nintendo's big three Wii games. Most would probably call Galaxy the weakest of the trio, but I think it has a good shot at potentially being the second, if not possibly the first. You could point to the complete lack of hype surrounding the game, but given how often hype backfires these days, I'd say this is a good thing. High praise without the hype is the way to go, but it also tends to give people the sense that no one really cares for it. Then again, how often do you really hear people talking about Mario games? Galaxy's all set to cruise to a win here, it's just a matter of by how much. As far as second goes, I'm still squarely behind Call of Duty 4. If this were any other shooter, I would probably go for Pokemon, but I've been a big believer in COD4 having legit strength, strongest FPS in the contest kinda strength. I think I may have even said this during the GOTY polls back in 2007, that COD4 was gonna end up in the final poll. If there's one game this generation that stands tall that isn't from Nintendo or Square, it's Call of Duty. It's got the sales, it's got the reception, it's got the hype, and it even has a sequel (Modern Warfare 2) coming out this holiday -- it's not going the way of Gears of War. |
Plus,
Pokemon is going to have to deal with Mario Galaxy. Yeah, you can say
that Pokemon isn't 'SFFable,' or that SFF/LFF has been a non-factor so
far this contest, but it's hard for me to see the big Mario game of the
generation and Pokemon not having something happen there -- and I don't
think it'll end in Pokemon's favor. Aside from that, there's some truth
to the idea that old Pokemon games will perform better than newer ones
because they're nostalgic, nearly everyone's played them, and they were
before everyone had moved on. But I guess the recent release of
Platinum could help it out some. We'll see how this one goes, but I like Mario Galaxy to put up some good numbers with COD4 pulling in a respectable second place, and a good ways away from Pokemon. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Pokemon did do something here. It seems like GameFAQs has turned into Pokefreakz lately for whatever reason! Super Mario Galaxy -- 40% Call of Duty 4 -- 27% Pokemon D/P -- 20% Team Fortress 2 -- 13% Bracket: Mario Galaxy > COD4 Favorites: Mario Galaxy > COD4 Lopen’s Analysis After the onslaught of Pokemanz RBY and Pokemanz GS I'm feelin pretty bad about the chances for Call of Duty here... at least, much worse than I felt before. But, the game does have a following... it did really well in the GotY poll vs Mario Galaxy and Halo 3, and Mario Galaxy should hurt Pokemanz DP as much or more than Team Fortress 2 hinders Call of Duty 4. Throw in the possibility that many Pokefanz will think the series jumped the shark well before this game (I'd disagree, Pokemanz DP is a great game and I'll be voting for it tomorrow, though it is true I'd sooner vote RBY or GS), and a general downward trend for Nintendo in recent years, and the probability for flopping is high. So yeah, Call of Duty 4 should still be able to nab second place here, even with POKEFEAR in full force. In fact, with the hindering presence of Pokemanz it might just make a push for first...! Uhhh... okay, probably not. I have a feeling my crewmates are going to abandon Call of Duty 4 here in the face of shooters flopping and POKEFEAR, but I wouldn't do that! Call of Duty 4 should hold up better... if for no other reason than it has multiplatform exposure unlike our illustrious floppers. Lopen's Prediction: Super Mario Galaxy – 34.12% Call of Duty 4 – 26.44% Pokemanz DP – 24.02% Team Fortress 2 – 15.33% Transience’s Analysis Tonight's match is funny. It's tough to gauge any of these games. Let's start with Galaxy. Had great critical reception and was a big hit with fans as well. Big GOTY win in 2007, but somewhat tainted by the fact that the finals was it vs. two FPS games. Pretty impressive performance in that Game of the Century poll, though it had recency on its side. Galaxy looked like the Real Deal. But there's question marks abound as well -- the Wii was much bigger in 2007 than it is now and it couldn't beat Twilight Princess despite Wind Waker being in the same poll. Still, it should be a shoo-in for first here - its competition is Brawl, not these three games. Then there's COD4. Before the 2007 GOTY poll, no one had high expectations. I remember the board fave for 2007 multiplatform GOTY was between Bioshock, Guitar Hero and the Orange Box, and COD4 just trashed them all. After that, we expected Halo to wipe COD4 out and for God of War 2 to take third place -- nope! COD4 even had a pretty impressive performance against Galaxy if you consider that it had another FPS dragging it down. But if you take that GOTY performance out, is anybody expecting anything of COD4? Probably not. On top of that, we've had the whole "shooters bombing" thing. Take it all in and it's tough to feel too good about COD4. |
The
reason for that? Pokemon. After RBY and GS, people are pretty damn
scared of this game. I don't think it's going to be strong though. For
one, it's clearly not the Nintendo game of choice like it was in
previous matches. Galaxy is going to hurt it. For two, I just don't
think it's that strong. It lost a poll handily to a VERY low-tier
Zelda, and this was after the site had shifted towards Pokemon. It'll
do better here than in that poll probably, but it's going to need a
bomb from COD4 to advance. And I won't discount that. On top of COD4 looking very vulnerable, there's also TF2, another online FPS, to leech away votes. It's probably not very significant, but it's something. I can't expect too much of COD4, but I expect less of Pokemon, so... transience's prediction: Super Mario Galaxy - 39% Call of Duty 4 - 26% Pokemon Diamond/Pearl - 21% Team Fortress 2 - 14% Leon’s Analysis Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare: This game should be pretty strong. It beat Halo 3 handily back in the 2007 GOTY. Of course, that win doesn’t seem to mean as much as we watch the Halo games perform in this contest, but it was a convincing enough win for me to give it some credit. The only problem is that it’s facing the game that beat it convincingly in the 2007 GOTY as well, Mario Galaxy. I suppose Pokemon kinda concerns me after seeing R/B/Y and G/S do so well, but the newer generations just don’t seem as popular. Pokemon Diamond/Pearl: I’m not going to let Pokefear settle in. I’m not going to let Pokefear settle in. I’m not going to let Pokefear settle in. I’m not going to let Pokefear settle in. Okay, now that I’ve gotten past that…I’ll say that I don’t think any of the games are going to match the popularity of R/B/Y or even G/S. I think fewer and fewer people seem to buy them as the series gets older because they get older. There’s a poll that asks how many Pokemon games you own, and most people owned just a handful of them. The game did manage to lose to Phantom Hourglass in the DS GOTY poll, and while those aren’t worth that much, it is decently recent, and we’ve already seen that the Zelda name alone isn’t enough to beat Pokemon. I don’t expect Diamond/Pearl to contend here, but at the same time, if it somehow advances, I won’t be surprised at this point. I don’t really expect Galaxy to bother it too much either. Super Mario Galaxy: I personally think Super Mario Galaxy is a game that’s being overestimated here. A lot of people have it beating Brawl in the next round based on their respective GOTY performances, but I think that’s misleading. Brawl had tougher competition by far, and Galaxy won before this site started turning on Nintendo. Plus, we’re already seeing that GOTY performances don’t seem to mean TOO much in these contests, though they are worth considering at least. With that said, Galaxy should win this poll without much trouble. It’ll need to put up numbers comparable to what Brawl did for me to give it a shot here, and it’ll need to distance itself from the pack. Team Fortress 2: I wouldn’t expect too much from this game. Weighted Companion Cube and GlaDOS did well last year, but Spy and Heavy did not. It seems that, for whatever the reason, Portal is much more popular or well-known that Team Fortress 2 is. The competition is just too much to favor it advancing or doing much of anything here. Leonhart’s Vote: Super LUIGI Galaxy! Leonhart’s Prediction: Call of Duty 4 – 24.42% Pokemon Diamond/Pearl – 19.91% Super Mario Galaxy – 42.24% Team Fortress 2 – 13.43% Guest’s Analysis - MetricTrout Now this is the match we have been waiting for. |
And
by “we”, I mean mostly myself. More than any other game, my bracket
depends on an overwhelmingly dominant performance by Super Mario
Galaxy. I have it advancing to the semifinals and I believe it to have
roughly the same strength as Mario World and Mario 64, thus making it a
top 15 game. It is a risky proposition, one that certainly has potential to go horribly wrong. But the very foundation in which a winning bracket is built is to know when to take calculated risks. Today, I will attempt to defend the rationale behind my confidence in Galaxy. For starters, I firmly believe that Galaxy is the strongest among the triumvirate of Galaxy, Twilight Princess, and Brawl. Unfortunately, for this part of the bracket, we lack substantive quantitative data. Because of this, my conclusion is largely based upon reading various posts on these message boards. And ignore the fans; let us listen to the detractors! Twilight Princess was a massive disappointment. Brawl was a massive disappointment. Galaxy is overrated. Overrated. Hey, Ocarina of Time and Final Fantasy 7 are also overrated! To me, when someone calls something “overrated”, he knows he is in the minority. While he may understand the heaps of praise the product gets, he at least grudgingly admits that it was not absolutely atrocious. And that, to me, is the difference between Galaxy and the other two members of that triumvirate. There is a substantial amount of hate toward Twilight Princess and Brawl, while the hate toward Galaxy is minimal. Super Mario Galaxy is one of the few games that is universally praised among fans and critics. Oh wait, you have a poll to show me? http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2995 There is a certain amount of uncertainty that is cast with old polls. Especially one that is taken 2 months after a game is released. Not everyone buys a game the very instant it is released, and not everyone who own a game finishes it in that timespan. Therefore, it takes time for consensus to build. In this case, I believe that the general consensus on Galaxy has been mostly positive, while the opinion on Twilight Princess has been more mixed as time goes on. But it seems I have gone off on a tangent. There are three other games in the poll, after all. Might as well start with Call of Duty 4. Call of Duty was in the same poll as Galaxy in the 2007 Game of the Year poll, and did very well. It put up 40.6% despite being SFFed by Halo 3. Since the 2007 poll is a snapshot of the relative strengths of the games in 2007, the question arises on how Call of Duty’s strength has changed relative to that time. Answer: it should have gone down by a significant margin, for the reason other first-person and third-person shooters have disappointed in this contest. The FPS genre is oversaturated in the market. Also, there is not much difference between a good majority of them. Therefore, each subsequent game released in that genre causes previous ones to become less relevant, if not obsolete. |
Team
Fortress 2. I never heard of this game outside of the contests, but
research tells me that it is also a FPS, released after Call of Duty 4.
Yeah, you can see where I am going with this. It is not going to be
stronger, due to its obscurity, but it should take away a good chunk of
Call of Duty’s votes. And now the wildcard: Pokemon Diamond/Pearl. Again I have two polls: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2983 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2993 Hmm, Pokemon lost to Phantom Hourglass, which got destroyed by Galaxy. What does that mean? Not a damn thing. First of all, Pokemon has one of the most dedicated fanbases on the site, which allows it to resist SFF the way Phantom Hourglass cannot. Secondly, remember what I said about the unreliability of polls taken before a consensus is formed? Phantom Hourglass’ consensus should have gone down a lot since that poll, while Pokemon’s should have remained constant. Furthermore, the recent release of Platinum and the influx of Pokemon players seeking for help should give Pokemon a sizable boost. Finally. The fun part. Numbers. Galaxy is not going to score Brawl-like numbers due to its way stronger competition. Brawl is getting 46% right now, so say Galaxy gets around 41%. Call of Duty 4 scored 40% on Galaxy in 2007. It should be weaker now, so say it gets 35% on Galaxy now. That would be around 22%. Pokemon is a static fanbase that should be able to pull in 23% of the vote or so. That would leave Team Fortress with 12% of the vote, which is consistent with how Halo 3 scored against Call of Duty. Super Mario Galaxy – 41% Pokemon Diamon/Pearl – 23% Call of Duty 4 – 22% Team Fortress 2 – 14% Anything can happen, but this looks good to me. Crew Consensus: SMG > CoD4 is the majority, with Moltar and the Guest siding with SMG > Pokemon |
first place on the line tomorrow! --- xyzzy |
Moltar jumping ship! Wonder where Ed Bellis will cast his lot. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
I'm
surprised no one mentioned Lucario. I know games != characters, but
when a Pokemon that has Brawl support in its corner flops THAT bad,
you've gotta wonder. I saw voltch mention it and I was like "oh yeah
that makes sense" and I would've changed my analysis if I wasn't too
lazy to do it. But hey Pokefear not here. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
PokeFEAR not here --- a metal slime appears |
I'm surprised no one mentioned Lucario. DP is new school, which hurts it, and Lucario did suck it up, but this is one case where the game is going to be much bigger than the character. Moltar's analysis. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
save_us.PALKIAandDIALGA --- I can feel it coming over me; I feel it all around me. http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg |
I wonder how big of a lead Pokemon can get in the opening minutes. --- xyzzy |
Ah, you're right. The only guy that mentioned him picks DP what. (now of course there's going to be another mention I missed too...!) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
If it doesn't lead early, it's doomed. CoD4 isn't going to have a good board vote (Well, it'll have BRACKETS so maybe). Trying to see what Mario's board vote trends are, and I can't really figure out if it's generally good or bad. Mario 1 and Mario 3 had a bad board vote (relatively speaking, of course). Yoshi's Island and Mario RPG had good board votes. This board likes Galaxy though, so it should be fine. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
Galaxy should be big early. it led TP for a while in that GOTC poll we bring up way too much. --- xyzzy |
actually,
it had Smash-like trends in its GOTY run too if I remember right. we
could see a WILD comeback from third place down if COD4 advances and
beats these two in round 2. --- xyzzy |
Galaxy and Brawl tearing stuff up with the ASV will be fun. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
From: Lopen | #080 I only mentioned it just because I guess you could say DP will do bad based off Lucario's flop. However, look at Mewtwo's performance compared to R/B/Y. The performances of the Pokemon themselves have no bearing on the strength of the actual games --- Moltar Status: ahh, there you are Match 29 - Bracket: SSBB > GTA4 - Vote: SSBB (77/112) |
I'm
feeling really bad about COD4. not because of Pokemon, and not even
because of shooters, but just because I heavily doubt COD4 is a beast. --- xyzzy |
Yeah, but Mewtwo's definitely stronger than Lucario. If you do it proportionally that way, then DP will look bad! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
Lately, Ed Bellis has been lazy and not sending in his crew write-ups to Moltar. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but still not as cool as FastFalcon05, Guru Champ! |
Ed Bellis you have been called out. --- I've been waiting for this moment all my life - it's my destiny. http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
From: -LusterSoldier- | #090 I understand that he's busy. As long as he gets it here before the match starts, it's all good. --- Moltar Status: ahh, there you are Match 29 - Bracket: SSBB > GTA4 - Vote: SSBB (77/112) |
Thanks for that, Luster. Match 30 So I’m sure that my FAILALYSIS CREW brethren are denying the power of Pokemon in this contest. I’m sure that a few of them are stubbornly clinging to the fragments of life that Call of Duty 4 represents, and I’m sure that the remainder are taking Diamond/Pearl for second. Well, I’m going to go a step above them. Mario Galaxy will not get first here. Pokemon will. I’m sure that people are going to talk about how RBY was a fluke and GSC is more akin to the strength of the franchise. I’m here to talk about how GSC was the fluke. RBY is probably a top ten game among the contest, and while Diamond/Pearl shouldn’t be anywhere close to it, it should still have enough strength in it to place first. Mario Galaxy will fail, much like Twilight Princess will fail: general apathy for the games. Does anyone even talk about SMG any more? Does anyone care? No, they do not. Oh, and to top off this writeup, Team Fortress 2 beats Call of Duty 4. By a comfortable margin. Prediction: THIS FESTIVAL’S OVER Call of Duty 4 with 11.71% Pokemon Diamond/Pearl with 37.39% Super Mario Galaxy with 30.90% Team Fortress 2 with 20.00% --- This was KING BELLIS LOL ed status: Maybe the chef was Darkseid. You don't mess with Darkseid. -MoogleKupo141 |
That's one Ed Bellis of a prediction. --- No matter what, no matter how, I know I'll make it through somehow. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/Saturn.gif |
Whoa --- a metal slime appears |
What the crunk, Ed Bellis. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
worth the wait/10 --- Moltar Status: ahh, there you are Match 29 - Bracket: SSBB > GTA4 - Vote: SSBB (77/112) |
Keep
in mind that Mario Galaxy couldn't break 60% on CoD4 in the GotY
finals, despite Halo 3's presence and the height of Galaxy Mania. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
