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Best Game Ever 2 Contest Analysis Crew (Part Three)

Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/2/2009 9:45:41 PM | message detail | filter | #001
Out with the new and in with the old: The "End of Round 1 and Start of Round 2" Edition

Announcer: Welcome ladies and gentlemen to another edition of GameFAQs Contest Association! Tonight, we have a great show in store for you!

Audience: *cheers*

Announcer: First up, we have-

*The announcer is interrupted by Moltar’s entrance music*

Audience: *loud boos*

Commentator Jin Loss: BAH GAWD WHAT’S HE DOING OUT HERE?

Commentator Mitchell Kole: “The Viper” Master Moltar! Shades of pasts contests!

Moltar: So it’s that time of the year, contest time. It’s time for me to show why I am the best predictor in this company. In order to prove that I am the best, I will issue a challenge to anyone back there who thinks they know these contests better than me. And when I do predict the Best Game Ever 2 better than you, I will once again reclaim my GCA Analysis Title.

Audience: *boos*

*Leon’s entrance music hits, resulting in even more boos*

Mitchell Kole: OH MY! A rare appearance from The Ultimate Oppourtunist, Leon!

Leon: Listen up, Moltar. Now, I respect your prediction abilities, but everyone here knows you aren’t the best predictor in the company. I am! Yeah, that’s right. I’ll accept your challenge, and when I beat you, that title is going to be around my pretty waist.

Moltar: You? You?! The last time I saw you was when I beat you back in 2006. You aren’t even in my league. You aren’t worthy of accepting my challenge!

*Leon gets in Moltar’s face and the two argue, just then, this recognized intro plays*

WE DA FANBOYZ, SON

Audience: *huge cheers*

*The music of the tag team, Fanboyz, plays and Heroic Mario and Transience head down the ramp*

Jin Loss: It’s the Fanboyz! Business is about to pick up!

HM: you two need to chill out. the best predictors are right here, son.

Transience: that’s right, and when we win this challenge or whatever, that belt will go around my waist.

HM: uhhhh “whoops”, i think you mean my waist.

Transience: nope, i mean mine, son

*HM and Tran begin to argue*

Moltar: The two of you? You two are nothing but jokes. Neither of you will be getting my belt.

*The four men in the ring now argue*

*Lopen’s music then starts, drawing a negative reaction from the crowd. He is accompanied by his women.*

Mitchell Kole: Modified Humor!

Lopen: Listen here you rub-a-dub-dubs. None of you are the best because I am the best. I am Lopen, the greatest Analyzer of all the times!

Moltar: What? You couldn’t predict that the sun would rise tomorrow morning.

Leon: You couldn’t predict your way out of a paper bag!

HM: you couldn’t predict a lopen upset special!

Transience: you couldn’t predict…wait what

*The five men go back to bickering, and then…*

*Paper Rips*
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/2/2009 9:46:12 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #002
Audience: *HUGE cheers*

Jin Loss: ED BELLIS! ED BELLIS! ED BELLIS!

Mitchell Kole: Vintage Markout!

*Ed Bellis heads down the ramp, a juicebox in his hand*

Ed Bellis: So I’m in the back listening to a bunch of macaronis crying about title shots, and I’m thinking, “You know, the one that really deserves the title is this son of a mammer! Don’t you think so, hermano?

Moltar: I don-

Ed Bellis: WHAT YOU THINK IS IRRELEVANT!

Audience: *cheers*

Ed Bellis: So now that I’m in this little shindig, I’m going to win it and finally become Analysis Champion, and that’s the bottom line, when Bellismania is cookin’!

*The General Manager of GCA, SBAllen emerges at the top of the ramp*

Audience: *mixed reaction*

SBAllen: Okay, I can’t have you guys taking up any more of my time, so this is what I’m going to do. Since our Analysis Title and Prediction Titles are vacant with Yoblazer’s retirement, I’m going to put them both on the line! The six of you, Master Moltar, Heroic Mario, Lopen, Transience, Leonhart, and Ed Bellis will come together to create the Contest Analysis Crew! The six of you will analyze each match and give your predictions on who will win each battle. The person who closest predicts the most matches will become the new GCA Prediction Champion, and the person who predicts the most matches correctly will be recognized as the new GCA Analysis Champion!

Audience: *chants “GCA! GCA! GCA!”*

SBAllen: And that’s not all, because you, the readers, will be able to get in on the action to! Each match will have a Guest Predictor! It’s your chance to be a part of the Crew and collectively go for the Gold!

Audience: *cheers*

*The six men talk it over in the ring*

Moltar: Alright, we accept!

SBAllen: That’s what I want to hear! Oh, and before I leave, I have one more announcement to make…

*Everyone is on the edge of their seats as to what the announcement is.*

SBAllen: The contest, Best Game Ever 2, will be…a four-way generational bracket!

Audience: *heavily mixed reaction*

Everyone in the ring: augh



Guest Anaysis List - E-mail to mastermoltar@gmail.com upon completion. Make sure to get it in at least 5-6 hours before the match to ensure that your analysis is posted with the rest!

God of War/GTA:SA/ToS/Oblivion - KamikazePotato
Halo 2/MGS3/Okami/WoW - KleenexTissue50
Gears of War/KH2/RE4/SotC - paulg235
FF12/HL2/Phoenix Wright/LoZ:TP - GrapefruitKing

GTA4/Persona 4/SF4/Brawl - Luis_Sera89
CoD4/Pokemon D/P/Galaxy/TF2 - MetricTrout
Bioshock/LBP/MGS4/Portal - nintendogirl1
Fallout 3/Halo 3/L4D/Mass Effect - Chaotic Mind
Ngamer64 | Posted 5/2/2009 11:19:08 PM | message detail | filter | #003
transience | Posted 5/2/2009 10:06:38 PM | message detail
Ngamer more like not as good of an oracle as me



Huh? What are you talking abou-

1) Vlado Halo 2 21.61% MGS3 36.25% Okami 17.82% WoW 24.32% 49.40 12.35
2) transience Halo 2 23.00% MGS3 35.00% Okami 18.00% WoW 24.00% 49.39 9.88
3) Ngamer64 Halo 2 22.97% MGS3 34.91% Okami 19.01% WoW 23.11% 49.32 7.40


Ohhhhh. Whoa! That's got to be the first time in history that two teammates have been #1 and #2 for a match. Congrats!


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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/2/2009 11:19:52 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b8G8delDlk

also lol gears
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Moltar Status: ahh, there you are
Match 27 - Bracket: RE4 > KH2 - Vote: RE4 (71/104)
KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 11:23:00 PM | message detail | filter | #005
One of you better pick Phoenix Wright and/or Persona 4 in the upcoming matches!

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AndrewWarner | Posted 5/3/2009 2:18:52 AM | message detail | filter | #006
Tag.

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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/3/2009 10:53:39 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #007
Halo 2---------------------21.78% 25860
Metal Gear Solid 3------35.35% 41987
Okami---------------------18.85% 22384
World of Warcraft-------24.02% 28529
TOTAL VOTES-------------------118760

Matches Completely Correct - 14
Matches Partially Correct - 12
Matches Completely Wrong - 0

What Happened - MGS3 silences its doubters by easily winning it's match here. WoW takes second after Halo 2 (unsurprisingly) disappoints. Okami finishes in a close fourth.


Why it Happened - Shooters continue to suck. WoW didn't even look great here, and Halo still couldn't capitalize. Meanwhile, Okami ends up looking great due to the format.


What Will Happen - Oblivion/ToS/MGS3/WoW - MGS3 takes it, but with WoW's disappointment, no one has a firm lock on second.


Crew Prediction Challenge - WoW pickers get a point

Tran - 16
HM - 16
Guest - 16
Moltar - 12
Ed - 12
Leon - 11
Lopen - 10


Crew Accuracy Challenge - Kleenex gets the point for MGS3, HM gets the point for Halo 2, Tran gets the point for WoW, and Leon gets the point for Okami

Moltar - 27
HM - 24
Tran - 20
Leon - 13
Guest (Luster, Zylo (3), HaRR, Kleenex (2), Soul, TRT, KP (3), Chaotic) - 13
Lopen - 11
Ed - 11
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Moltar Status: ahh, there you are
Match 27 - Bracket: RE4 > KH2 - Vote: RE4 (71/104)
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/3/2009 5:41:22 PM | message detail | filter | #008
Ohhhhh. Whoa! That's got to be the first time in history that two teammates have been #1 and #2 for a match. Congrats!

I got in on that list at #5 on that match. It was enough to give my team a #5 placement for that match. My partner kawaiifan has been bombing in the Oracle this season.
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shadow8021 | Posted 5/3/2009 6:06:16 PM | message detail | filter | #009
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/3/2009 6:12:46 PM | message detail | filter | #010
Oh man, I'm so proud of my analysis of this match right now. I'll have to copy it back over here to give myself a pat on the back.


Ngamer's Rebellious Writeup

Now then, tonight has me a little bit frightened. I'm a firm believer in RE4, but even so I'm very much surprised that no one seems to be giving KHII any real kind of chance at the win in this one. I mean RE4 has some things going in its favor (only option to make it to a Nintendo console, RE5 still bringing in visitors, RE1 and 2 looked decentish and 4 will of course be well ahead of them, KH has to split with another PS2 game), but it seems like a really good case for could also be made for Kingdom Hearts:

* KHII sold nearly as well as the original, is owned by even more people on My Games, reviews between the two are about the same... if there's any series where the sequel could be just as strong as the first, I'd think it would have to be KH

* New Square RPGs have been on fire- we vastly underestimated FF8, yet refused to adjust our thinking and have ended up underestimating FF9, FFX, and KH1 as well. shouldn't we start giving them more credit at some point?

* KH1 put up 38% against what I would still argue wasn't terrible competition. it pounded Vice City straight up despite having to share the poll with another "kiddie" RPG (granted a win over GTA doesn't look that amazing anymore, but still, it was a slaughter) and even outdid Metroid Prime and Mario RPG combined. yeah yeah, everyone's been kicking Prime in the sack for the last week, but come on, isn't there a limit to how weak it could realistically be?

* RE4 isn't really survival-horror, it's more of a shooter, and shooters have been bombing right and left this season. plus I'd have to imagine that there are a ton of RE4 fans who also enjoy Gear of War and vice versa- sure they're on different platforms, but I would still imagine there's a decent bit of overlap between the two (whereas KHII and SotC are such vastly different games that I doubt it has the same problem)

So yeah, I still think RE4 is quite strong (and pretty independent) and don't disagree with those who took it to make a deep run into this bracket... I just don't think that tonight's poll provides ideal circumstances for it, and as a result I don't think it's going to be blowing KH2 out of the water. I'll go with

Resident Evil 4 - 35.91%
Kingdom Hearts II - 32.29%



(...but let's just ignore the numbers I vomited up for SotC and GoW)

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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/3/2009 8:08:25 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #011
Division 7: Round 1 - Match 28 – Final Fantasy XII vs. Half-Life 2 vs. Phoenix Wright vs. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Moltar’s Analysis

FF12
2004 Results: N/A

We’ve seen Balthier perform. Does the game fare any better?

HL2
2004 Results: N/A

We’ve seen Half-Life 1 perform. Does the sequel fare any better?

Phoenix Wright
2004 Results: N/A

We’ve seen Phoenix, the character, perform. Does the game fare any better?

SotC
2004 Results: N/A

We’ve seen post-OoT Zelda games perform. Does this one fare any better?

I’m not going to lie, I felt pretty crappy about picking TP > FF12 in my bracket for a while. However, as the contest has progressed, I like this pick a lot more now. TP is the obvious first as it’s ZELDA and I don’t need to go on any further.

The match here was always between FFXII and HL2. Final Fantasy, well Square and RPGs in general, have been doing great all through the contest. PC games and shooters, for the most part, have been doing terrible. If this had only happened once or twice before, I wouldn’t mention it, but you could make a laundry list of RPGs that have done well. This includes all the other FF games save FFT. On the other hand, you could also make a list of all the PC games and shooters that have disappointed, and Half-Life 1 would make that list.

Not to mention, FF9 easily took care of the first Half-Life even with Chrono Cross in the poll not doing it any favorites. Even though the popular sentiment is FF9 > FF12 and HL2 > HL1, that’s still a pretty wide gap to be crossed. Plus, TP not being OoT frees up some more casual votes that I think will go to FF12, and there’s not another RPG in the poll to hold it back either.

Speaking of that final game in the poll, Phoenix Wright is bound to get a chunk of the vote. If both FF12 and HL2 flop here, it will take advantage of that. Still, FF should be fine here.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Zelda: TP > FFXII

Moltar’s Prediction is: Zelda: TP: 37% - FFXII: 25% - Half-Life 2: 20% - Phoenix Wright: 18%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

aw yeah Kingdom Hearts II I knew I should've stuck with it after all my doubts about RE4!

Today's match has been one of my most anticipated of the round since the bracket came out. People have doubted FFXII from day 1, citing both the Game of the Year 2006 poll and Balthier losing to Ada Wong as reasons that it won't do well. After how Gears did today, I fully expect a number of people on the Crew to bring this up to show that FFXII is gonna be weak!

But I've always been a believer in Final Fantasy XII's strength. It's not the strongest Final Fantasy game by any means, but it's not going to be weak either. Right now, before seeing it in action, I'd consider it right there with FF1 as far as rankings go. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it managed to be a bit stronger indirectly. This is still a modern Final Fantasy, after all, and one's that well-liked at that, even if it does have a fair share of haters.

I think this match got a lot easier once we saw FFIX cruise by Half-Life, who had every reason to succeed there, with OoT netting over 50% and FFIX having to deal with Chrono Cross taking up about 10% of the vote -- and yet it couldn't manage to even stay closer to FFIX than CC. The reasons people used for FFIX losing there are the same ones we'll see here -- it's a 'forgotten' end of gen Final Fantasy, no one really cares about it, it's the Majora's Mask or whatever of the franchise. All pretty wrong assessments from where I'm sitting.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/3/2009 8:08:46 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #012
Looking at the other game in this match, Twilight Princess is the last top 10 material entry we haven't had a chance to see yet. FFX and Melee have been put up top caliber performances; MGS, Goldeneye, and Resident Evil 4 have all managed to disappoint in that regard. I'm expecting TP to do decently here, but nothing to light the world on fire. It'll pull in about 40% of the vote, with FFXII only about 10% or so behind. I expect people to cry foul if this happens, calling TP weak because it couldn't blow out FFXII or something.

C'mon FFXII time to dominate

Twilight Princess -- 38%
Final Fantasy XII -- 27%
Half-Life 2 -- 21%
Phoenix Wright -- 14%

Bracket: Twilight Princess > Final Fantasy XII
Favorites: Final Fantasy XII top 5 game in this contest



Lopen’s Analysis

Well after seeing Zelda not choke once, you've gotta go with it for first here, no matter how skeptical you are of this game's popularity (I think I'm the only one).

Half Life 2 vs FFXII... the huge favorite is HL2. Well... I uhhh... OBJECT! Yeah! That's all you get Phoenix Wright no upset special for you. But yeah... after seeing HL1 bomb straight to hell and seeing Final Fantasy and Zelda games tear everything apart at will, I almost have to go with Final Fantasy XII here. I mean... I really thought no one liked Wind Waker, yet that game still avoided a doubling.

But I won't do it. Half Life came... well, kinda close to FF9. I have to think that Half Life 2 will be much more popular, and FF12 will be much less popular than FF9. Still ends up being much closer than it has any right to be, though. Hopefully Phoenix can beat FF12 too. In a just world...!

Lopen's Prediction:
Twilight Princess – 40.33%
GFNW – 22.03%
Final Fantasy XII – 20.03%
Phoenix Flattened – 17.61%



Transience’s Analysis

I was all ready to go against the Crew here. FFXII is a low-tier FF game, you see, and Half-Life 2 is a good bit more popular than 1. FF9 > FF12, HL2 > HL1, blah blah blah.

But watching every single shooter bomb is cause for concern. Half-Life is a bit different from those other shooters in that it has a fanbase independent of the typical casual shooter, but when even its progenitor flops, it's tough to defend it too much. On top of that, FFXII beat KH2 back in 2006 and KH2's currently going blow for blow with RE4. It sure seems like we've reverted back to 2004 -- or maybe we never changed -- and are having Square and Nintendo dominate everything no matter what game it is. It's tough to bet against the Square game. There really hasn't been a single one that's flopped.

Enter Phoenix Wright.

If there's one type of game that's done great so far, it's been these "niche" games with very vocal fanbases. Symphonia gets 25%, Okami 19, SOTC 18 against some pretty impressive competition. Phoenix Wright is right in line with those kinds of fanbases and if FF12 can flop, we could see something amazing. PW's never done well in any polls, but maybe things will be different here. I think it can beat Half-Life 2 which sounds completely stupid, but then again, SOTC's slamming Gears of War here.

The real point of this poll is Twilight Princess. After Majora's Mask and Wind Waker got beat down, how does their younger brother do? TP's been thought of as a top 10-ish game here ever since it destroyed FF12 in that GOTY poll years ago, but I'd wager that match is closer now than before. If TP can outdo RE4's percentage, it's pretty much a lock for first place next round. Let's see how it does.

Freeman looks depressed
FF12 boxart's ugly
time for Phoenix Wright

transience's prediction:

Final Fantasy XII - 26%
Half-Life 2 - 18%
Phoenix Wright - 20%
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 36%
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/3/2009 8:09:29 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #013
Leon’s Analysis

Final Fantasy XII: This is a game that no one really expects too much of. Of course, there seems to be a good reason for that. It didn’t do too well in the 2006 GOTY (when it lost to Twilight Princess, who it’s facing here! How ironic!), and it couldn’t even beat FFIX in the “Which modern FF is your favorite?” poll right after its release, when it should be at its strongest. It seems like it’s already been forgotten, being released at the end of the PS2’s lifespan and with hype for FFXIII running high. Basically, it has the same problems that FFIX had, and what do you know, it’s facing a sequel to the game it beat handily! However, there’s not much doubt in my mind that FFXII is weaker than FFIX and Half-Life 2 is stronger than Half-Life 1. The question is how big the difference between them is. Gordon was able to beat Balthier easily in the Character Battle last year, though games =/= characters. He probably would beat Zidane, too, honestly, or at least come close. I think Final Fantasy XII should be fine here, though it might be tight.

Half-Life 2: We’ve been watching PC games fail left and right in this contest, but that should come to no surprise to anyone because this is GameFAQs. We’ve already seen that Half-Life’s 2004 performance on Metroid Prime doesn’t mean much of anything anymore, and while Half-Life 2 should be stronger, I don’t know if it’ll be enough to beat Final Fantasy XII. I won’t completely discount the possibility, of course, because FFXII doesn’t really deserve the benefit of the doubt. HL2 is definitely the underdog though, but that’s how Mr. Freeman likes it!

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: I’m not really expecting much from this game, as much as I love it. Phoenix Wright seems to be a decent low midcarder/high fodder character at best, which just ain’t gonna cut it here. The game came in dead last in the 2005 DS GOTY behind such classics as Nintendogs, but that was before the game became an internet sensation. Even so, T&T and AJ did horribly in those “What game are you anticipating this month?” polls, too. I’ve wondered if it doesn’t perform well in the face of Nintendo, but then Phoenix went out and did great against Bowser and Luigi last year. Regardless, I can’t see this game doing anything but getting last place here, but if Phoenix took his revenge on Mr. Freeman, I wouldn’t be opposed!

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess: If you want a game that was ruined by too much hype, this is it. It’s not a bad game by any means. It’s the only Zelda I’ve ever felt more than apathetic toward. But there was no way it was going to live up to the lofty expectations placed upon its shoulders, especially when people are so nitpicky that they get upset when Link is right-handed in the Wii version. Regardless, it did very well in the GOTY poll in 2006, easily doubling FFXII. Twilight Princess also did well in the Game of the Century poll, finishing 1500 votes behind Resident Evil 4 despite having to share the poll with three other Nintendo games, including another Zelda. In my opinion, this is a potential top ten game, and it’ll have the chance to prove it here. It’s going to win this one running away.

Leonhart’s Vote: I object to everyone who doesn’t vote for Phoenix Wright!

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Final Fantasy XII – 23.12%
Half-Life 2 – 18.99%
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – 10.78%
Twilight Princess – 47.11%
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/3/2009 8:09:51 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #014
Guest’s Analysis - GrapefruitKing

Before the contest started, HL2 seemed like a reasonable option for 2nd place. Well, not anymore. The way that FF games (minus FF Tictacs) have been performing so far, XII should end up squeaking by HL2, even though it's probably far from the others. The only possible problem for XII is that so far, some games that came out near the end of a console, even from well-known series, haven't done well: Majora' Mask, Yoshi's Island, and ... uuh... yeah, forget it, this is a weak argument. Especially after what FFIX did. HL2 getting 2nd wouldn't be a huge surprise, though. Just look at what it did to Gordon's strength.

TP has to be amongst the strongest Zelda games, but then again it could end up being disappointing. Midna didn't turn out to be the midcarder she was supposed to be, though last year she proved she wasn't fodder either.

Phoenix Wright could come out of freaking nowhere and get 3rd place, and I wouldn't even be that surprised. Assured 4th place games have been doing it for a few matches in a row, and PW has proved that he has reasonable strength in 4-way matches. I'm still betting on him getting 4th, though.

The guest write-up I wrote yesterday while totally hammered was better <_<


GrapefruitKing's amazingly accurate prediction
Final Fantasy XII - 23.69%
Half-Life 2 - 22.02%
Phoenix Wright - 17.12%
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 37.17%


Crew Consensus: TP > FFXII is the majority, with Lopen the only one to have faith in HL2 for second.
Chaotic Mind | Posted 5/3/2009 8:28:48 PM | message detail | filter | #015
Uh oh, Lopen's the only one to take HL2? Time for another Lopen Upset Special?!
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/3/2009 8:41:56 PM | message detail | filter | #016
I am cautiously optimistic about Phoenix Wright advancing, given how weak its competition is.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 5/3/2009 9:14:37 PM | message detail | filter | #017
Match 28

Final Fantasy XII. Who cares about this game? Apparently loads of people. The Final Fantasy brand name has proven nigh-infallible this contest, and Board 8’s hate for games has backfired before (hello there FFTA). Will probably place here.

Half-Life 2. The perennial critics’ darling, Half-Life 2 has a lot going against it, namely underperformances of shooters, Half-Life 1 losing to Final Fantasy 9 of all games, and LOL FORDON GREEMAN. Will probably not place.

Phoenix Wright. The perennial B8ers’ darling, PW will most likely lead the board vote for the first EIGHTEEN HOURS OBJECTION LOL

Zelda: Twilight Princess. I’ve been banking on TP to bomb since before the contest started. People have long been calling it a top 10 game on the site, and I’ve long thought that’s overkill… then again, I also thought RE4 would be a top 10 game and look where that got me !! Still, TP (LOL) doesn’t have to be all that strong to get first here.

Prediction: midna es so kawaii ^.^
Final Fantasy XII with 24.44%
Half-Life 2 with 15.17%
Phoenix Wright with 21.00%
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess with 39.39%

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/3/2009 9:29:03 PM | message detail | filter | #018
I'm almost thinking I wish I hadn't gone so low with PW's percentage, but I don't have a lot of confidence in the game performing well. I'd love to see PW > HL2 though. It'd be sweet irony and sweet revenge for 2006.
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transience | Posted 5/3/2009 11:04:04 PM | message detail | filter | #019
blah, looks like I shoulda stuck with Half-Life.
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transience | Posted 5/3/2009 11:04:27 PM | message detail | filter | #020
FF12 could still take this though.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 5/3/2009 11:07:00 PM | message detail | filter | #021
Hahaha, Lopen Upset Special CONFIRMED!

Good for my bracket, bad for my oracle.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/3/2009 11:10:00 PM | message detail | filter | #022
Ngamer's Rebellious Writeup

Whooo hooo, called a KH match right for the first time in my life! In my writeup I scolded us for continuing to underestimate New Square... based on today's preds, looks like we've finally gotten the picture! That part of the day was great, but in retrospect I'm not sure what I thinking with those picks for the bottom two games. I mean clearly RE4 was going to be hurting Gears (and a little bit back in the other direction), so why did I pick it to score only a few points less than Halo had the day before? And then I made the mistake of trying to set SotC equal to Wander despite every other cultish game doing way better than their protagonists on the modern half of the bracket. Oh well, live and learn!

Now tonight... was supposed to be the best match of the whole opening round, according to alot of people pre-Contest. I mean, check out these Guru preds for 2nd place:

Half-Life 2 - 126 (58.33%)
Final Fantasy 12 - 80 (37.04%)
Phoenix Wright - 5 (2.31%)

And yet you look through the Crew and Oracle picks for tonight and it's almost entirely a landslide in the other direction- what happened? Well, this happened

Ocarina - 54%
FF9 - 21%
HL1 - 15%
CC - 10%

Yikes, hard to argue with that! Let's compare and contrast quickly

* Ocarina >> TP - obviously, but I'm one of the biggest believers in TP and still think it could very well be right up there with FFX and contending for a Top Ten position, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if it shot up well above 40

* FF9 > FF12 - the way TP manhandled this game back in '06 after some had been expecting that GotY to go neck and neck was really telling, and I've got to figure it's only lost more steam in the last 2.5 years. but even if 9's ahead by a decent bit, 12 has the advantage of not losing votes to a Chrono game, so I really can't imagine it finishing below FF9's total

* HL2 > HL1 - KHII is doing a great job of proving that just because you were the original doesn't ALWAYS mean you're the strongest, and thanks to the Orange Box and the continued progress of steam you could make a really fine case for HL2. but, sorry, the gap from that last match was just too large to be able to make up with only a minor strength upgrade. if there was some other PSX/PS2 RPG option in the bottom spot I would still at least consider the upset, but not as it stands

* PW >> CC - cult games have really been shining ever since we got into the 32/64 bit era, and I see no reason why one of the most beloved games on the GameFAQs social boards wouldn't continue the trend. I used to think that heavy Nintendo competition would be bad news for a DS entry like Phoenix, but after the character performed so admirably in '08 I've got to give this series its props against any opponent. would not be shocked if Phoenix was even able to give Gordon a real run for his money here!

And with that in mind, the numbers work out to just aboooooout

Zelda: Twilight Princess - 39.53%
Final Fantasy XII - 24.83%
Half-Life 2 - 19.03%
Phoenix Wright - 16.61%

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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/3/2009 11:14:42 PM | message detail | filter | #023
Whoa whoa, WHAT? Oh man, never would have thought FF12 could be this far back of 8, and 9, and X, and KH1 AND KH2. And that's coming from someone who had a huge lack of respect for it coming in!

Unless of course... HL1 only lost because Gordon wasn't in the picture. We may have to update that to GFAW by the end of the day!

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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/3/2009 11:15:27 PM | message detail | filter | #024
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Lopen | Posted 5/4/2009 12:15:21 AM | message detail | filter | #026
Whoa

Whoa whoa whoa whoa WHOA.

That was an upset special? I didn't even know that was an upset! I thought HL2 > HL and FF9 > FF12 would give everyone enough faith for HL2 to make up the 6% here. Well hey, bout time I get one right! Maybe I just need to be oblivious of the fact that I'm going for an upset, more karma that way.

Shame Phoenix Wright is doing so poorly :(
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/4/2009 12:16:12 AM | message detail | filter | #027
I cherish the fact that I'll be getting the point for that game, even if it is only because I'm apparently the only one that thought it would suck.
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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/4/2009 12:54:23 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #028
Gears of War-------------------13.88% 18070
Kingdom Hearts II---------------33.61% 43773
Resident Evil 4------------------34.17% 44498
Shadow of the Colossus-------18.34% 23885
TOTAL VOTES--------------------------130226

Matches Completely Correct - 15
Matches Partially Correct - 12
Matches Completely Wrong - 0

What Happened - RE4 and KH2 end up pretty close to each other. RE4 did well enough overnight to keep off KH2 during the day. SotC does very-well for itself here, while Gears falls flat.


Why it Happened - KH2 looks to be strong. Top 20 along with RE4 at best. lol shooters in terms of Gears, and SotC does well...because it's critically acclaimed?


What Will Happen - With RE4/KH2 being close, we could be in for something good next round.


Crew Prediction Challenge - Points for almost everyone. (Using NGamer as the guest here)

Tran - 17
HM - 17
Guest - 17
Moltar - 13
Ed - 12
Leon - 12
Lopen - 11


Crew Accuracy Challenge - Lopen gets the point for RE4, Ngamer gets the point for KH2, HM gets the point for Gears and SotC

Moltar - 27
HM - 26
Tran - 20
Guest (Luster, Zylo (3), HaRR, Kleenex (2), Soul, TRT, KP (3), Chaotic, Ngamer) - 14
Leon - 13
Lopen - 12
Ed - 11
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Match 28 - Bracket: TP > FF12 - Vote: TP (75/108)
Ngamer64 | Posted 5/4/2009 2:45:26 AM | message detail | filter | #029
27 match writeups later I'm finally Crew-recognized. w00t!

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/4/2009 7:06:39 AM | message detail | filter | #030
and SotC does well...because it's critically acclaimed?

Or because it's good!
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Lopen | Posted 5/4/2009 10:31:20 AM | message detail | filter | #031
Tempted to go with the "critically acclaimed" here. Refuse to believe more people like horse riding simulators than quality FPS games.
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2009 10:31:52 AM | message detail | filter | #032
sounds like lopen can't ride horses

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/4/2009 10:35:43 AM | message detail | filter | #033
Wow, we've still got an epic duel between Half-Life 2 and Final Fantasy XII!

That's four matches in a row where one result was quite close (could've been six, but Stupid Smash Bros. Melee had to ruin it).
KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 2:07:36 PM | message detail | filter | #034
I like how Lopen gets the accuracy point by .01%

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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/4/2009 8:40:48 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #035
Division 8: Round 1 - Match 29 – Grand Theft Auto IV vs. Persona 4 vs. Street Fighter IV vs. Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Moltar’s Analysis

GTA4
2004 Results: N/A

Great, another GTA game to stink up the place.

Persona 4
2004 Results: N/A

After watching other RPGs do well, does Persona stand a chance here?

SF4
2004 Results: N/A

son

SSBB
2004 Results: N/A

Peach top tier

I’m writing this after reading about 3 pages of Persona fanboyism in the stats topic let’s do this.

Brawl is the obvious first here. It didn’t impress in the GotY polls, but it has another chance to show off here. Considering how weak this fourpack looks, it should go to town.

So every GTA game flops and SF2 loses to Sonic which flopped in its other matches, so now the Persona fans (all 5 of them) see an opportunity for it to advance. Yeah, I don’t think so.

“Bubububut TALES” You shout, and I say that Tales is a good deal stronger than Persona 4, and Symphonia has proved it has decent strength before. Only similarity here is that it’s a RPG in a sea of…other games. Symphonia had the benefit of having a weaker four-pack of games and beat out the ones that aren’t exactly popular on GameFAQs (GoW and GTA never do well here). Unlike Symphonia, Persona is in same poll with a game that IS popular and liked on the site, the 2008 GotY Brawl, so it loses out on “hey i don’t like these games so I’ll just vote for the RPG” votes.

Plus, we’ve already seen in the GotY poll that most of the 20K voters that voted for Persona when there was nothing else noteworthy abandoned it easily just a few days later against real competition.

SF4 has a shot but it’s chances don’t look hot. SF4 polls from just a few months ago aren’t great, andI’ve already mentioned SF2. If GTA4 does even worse than the low expectations everyone has for it, then yes, SF4 will place. P4 advances if both bomb and Brawl just pulls up like 60%.

So I’m sticking with GTA (god what is wrong with me just hurt me more GTA). At least all the GTA games are able to pull in 20%+, and it is the most recent so that could do it some good. Only problem here is that GTA-backlash has been pretty strong. It could result in it bombing, but maybe the backlash is just overstated.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: SSBB > GTA4

Moltar’s Prediction is: SSBB: 47% - GTA4: 21% - SF4: 19% - Persona 4: 13%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

First off, Brawl is going to kill this poll. It'll probably look better than it should because this competition is so weak. Don't be surprised if it's pushing 50% today.

Second, the fight to advance here is all about SFIV and GTAIV. The Persona fanboyz have started to gain some steam with Tales of Symphonia winning its match, and other 'cult classics' doing well, but for every Okami and SOTC, there's an Earthbound and a Phoenix Wright. I wouldn't count Persona out because the possibility of GTAIV and SFIV bombing is there, but it's so unlikely that you'd have to be a fanboy to predict it out of this group. The only thing supporting it advancing is Tales coming in second in its match.

The real fight for second should be between GTA and SF. Both of these series have been unimpressive so far, but I'd say GTA has been much worse. Sure, SFII bombed against Sonic, who later proved to not be that great, but GTA has managed to be unimpressive each and every time it shows up, with the sole exception being Vice City. I would have stuck with GTAIV here had San Andreas not completely bombed in its match, coming in last of all the games there. That tells me that GTA has taken a bigger dive here than anyone was expecting.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/4/2009 8:41:08 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #036
That means Street Fighter IV has a good shot. I don't expect it to be strong, or even on par with SFII, but I think it being the resurgence of Street Fighter, it selling well (over a million copies now), and it being received well will be enough to give it a slight edge over GTA. I could be wrong here, and it wouldn't surprise me, but I'll stick with the king of fighting games over a disappointing game in a fading series.

time for a shoryuken this competition

Smash Bros. Brawl -- 46%
Street Fighter IV -- 21%
Grand Theft Auto IV -- 20%
Persona 4 -- 13%

Bracket: Brawl > Street Fighter IV
Favorites: SFIV > Brawl



Lopen’s Analysis

Man... that last division really took a lot out of me. My analysis cred is all gone (though I guess that last match helped I love you Gordon Freeman), my bracket is shot. I'd like to just write crappy fanfiction and then post an Oracle prediction at the end. Is that acceptable? Come on, guys, you don't even read these things, right?

Anyway, if we had this match, say, in the first division, I have a feeling the predictions would be totally different than they'll be now. As it stands, I've gotta say here fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on you, fool me three times shame on you... but fool me four times shame on me. Only time GTA did well is when Metroid did worse, so I'm going to make my first correct pick with GTA, and I'm going to call for it to not advance. It has every reason to be the weakest GTA offering here, so it might even end up in last.

As for who to pick from the rest in this match of fours? I don't really like Persona's chances here. Tales of Symphonia at least had mass sales and a good GotY showing under its belt. (People could say Persona's was good too, but look what it was up against) STREET FITAH FOUR SON will take this pretty easy. Oh, and Brawl should disappoint here because of the backlash and whatnot, I'm calling for it. In fact, the Wii generation of Nintendo should be weaker overall than the beast we've been seeing from the older years divisions.

Lopen's Prediction:
Brawl – 35.15%
STREET FITAH FOUR SON! - 29.10%
Grand Theft Auto 4 – 20.10%
Persona 4 – 15.65%



Transience’s Analysis

Time for Brawl. Last time 'round, we saw Brawl go from a dominant performance to struggling with MGS4 and Fallout 3. Is this Brawl sucking it up (probably) or MGS4 and Fallout 3 being really strong?

This pack probably won't say too too much. GTA has been perceived to be bombing for years now - at this point it's so overrated that it's actually underrated. It's been anti-hyped so hard that you'd think a Speck of Dust could beat it. GTA may be weak compared to 2004, but it still beat other mid-tier releases last year with ease. It's not pathetic fodder or anything, just a low mid-tier game.

SF4 has looked even worse. Every SF4 poll has been bad; games not named SF2 look weak, and SF2 already looked bad. It could theoretically win over GTA based on franchise votes, but i expect those to go to Brawl; there's also the matter of the superior fighting game in the same match. Most of the site will go to the Nintendo fighter over the technical one.

Take these two disappointments and Board 8's most overrated game, Persona 4, gets talked up. I can sorta see why people are getting behind this: no one wants to trust GTA, Symphonia just beat San Andreas, Brawl's gonna rock this poll, and Persona 4 is a cool underdog.

But Persona 4 is just not that popular. This isn't Symphonia. This isn't Okami. This isn't even Phoenix Wright. This is a really obscure RPG. It's got a solid fanbase behind it -- one that managed to get it a whopping 5% in the 2008 GOTY. Check out that hardcore fanbase!!!!
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/4/2009 8:41:50 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #037
I could see Persona getting third if SF4 bombs really hard. It is the one niche game in a sea of casual. But it's going to need Brawl to absolutely own this poll and the other two games to split absolutely evenly to even have a chance; you know, kinda like San Andreas/God of War/Oblivion did. I can't see Persona pulling this out.

And I hope it gets destroyed!

GTA's decent
strong enough to beat fodder
like Persona 4

transience's prediction:

Grand Theft Auto IV - 22%
Persona 4 - 11%
Street Fighter IV - 15%
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 52%


Leon’s Analysis

Grand Theft Auto IV: I’m not really sure what to think of Grand Theft Auto IV here. It got rocked by Fallout 3 in the Multi-Platform GOTY poll, but Fallout 3 proved it was a pretty strong game in its own right. Maybe that’s not so bad. It’s looking like the GTA series is a solid midtier series at this point, based on how the other games have performed. That should be enough to get second place in this one because Street Fighter IV ain’t gonna be anywhere near Street Fighter II, which already stunk up the joint earlier. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if GTA IV gave SFII a fight, so get SFIV outta here.

Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4: This game isn’t going anywhere. It’s going to finish dead last by a long shot. It should have an interesting board vote though, given the fact that it’s Board 8’s new cult sensation. So basically everything interesting to see about this game will be over in 5 minutes.

Street Fighter IV: I actually have Street Fighter IV advancing in my bracket, but after Street Fighter II’s flop against the King of Floppers, I can’t continue that support! This is one of my most anticipated games to play once I get home, but already no one’s talking about it anymore! It just came and went, seems like. Of course, it seems like the same thing happened to GTA IV, so…Hopefully, there will still be PS3 Board 8 SFIV players to fight against in a couple of weeks! SFIV should be an easy third but probably a good ways off from GTA IV. Prove me wrong!

Super Smash Bros. Brawl: You want to talk about a game under serious scrutiny, Brawl is it. Along with Twilight Princess, Brawl was a game that was considered a disappointment because the hype lifted it up to a standard that was impossible to meet. Not to say I don’t like it. I like it better than Melee, in fact! I still don’t think it’s much weaker than SSBM either, despite the uninspiring GOTY performances. Fallout 3 has already beaten down GTA IV, which is looking to be the second strongest game in this match, and Brawl beat that, so expect SSBB to win with room to spare!

Leonhart’s Vote: Brawl all the way!

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Grand Theft Auto IV – 26.11%
Persona 4 – 7.70%
Street Fighter IV – 22.18%
Super Smash Bros. Brawl – 44.01%
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/4/2009 8:42:10 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #038
Guest’s Analysis - Luis_Sera89

Final division of the bracket, and its here that the recency really tells. Not just in the obvious sense, this being the 2007-09 division after all, but with the number of 'flavour of the month' games we'll be seeing. Titles like Left 4 Dead, Mass Effect and Team Fortress 2 are very good in their own right, but I doubt we'd be seeing them in a bracket 5 years down the line. With nothing to go on but GotY data, looks like we're banking on the tried and tested formula of picking GameFAQs favourite series again!

Todays hot new thing is Persona 4. Good showing last year bedamned, its niche fanbase won't be able to push it beyond 4th.

Brawl mops up in 1st. Not only is it the reigning GotY (take that how you will), but it has franchise power. With how GTA and SF have looked, they can't compete with raw Nintendo.

Which leaves the dilemma over 2nd! I have SFIV in my bracket, and GTA has been very hit and miss (and a small hit at that), but SFII was just awful against Sonic 2, and I don't see SFIV being too different strength-wise. Another tepid round 1 2nd place for that series I just don't 'get' then!

Brawl - 39.1%
GTA4 - 23%
SFIV - 22.7%
Persona 4 - 15.2%




Crew Consensus: Brawl > GTA4 is the majority, with Brawl > SF4 having 2 people supporting it.
Ed Bellis | Posted 5/4/2009 9:03:50 PM | message detail | filter | #039
Sorry - keep mistiming how long I'm gonna be at work.


Match 29

Quicksies: I’m backing SF4 here over GTA4. Grand Theft Auto’s been tanking left and right lately – as I actually expected, but not to this extent – and while Street Fighter II kinda flopped, Street Fighter IV should be a whole ‘nother beast.

The real test for this match will be seeing how Brawl does, and how it thus compares to Melee.

That’s… about it, really!

Prediction: IN-DEEEEEEE-STRUCTIBLE
Grand Theft Auto IV with 16.16%
Persona 4 with 12.80%
Street Fighter IV with 30.99%
Super Smash Bros. Brawl with 40.05%

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transients | Posted 5/4/2009 9:17:03 PM | message detail | filter | #040
anti-persona hype this is my kind of topic
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Lopen | Posted 5/4/2009 10:58:57 PM | message detail | filter | #041
Man. Street Fighter 4 doubt is unfounded, GTA has flopped way worse than SF2 could ever dream of this contest!
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transience | Posted 5/4/2009 10:59:28 PM | message detail | filter | #042
SF4 ain't SF2!
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Lopen | Posted 5/4/2009 11:06:54 PM | message detail | filter | #043
Ohhh my aching bracket.
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Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 5/4/2009 11:09:11 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #044
street fitah 4, son
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Match 29 - Bracket: SSBB > GTA4 - Vote: SSBB (77/112)
Ngamer64 | Posted 5/4/2009 11:11:11 PM | message detail | filter | #045
Ngamer's Rebellious Writeup

Hmm, the underperformance by Phoenix Wright here has me a little confused. I hear people explaining it away with "the character's more popular than the games", but this seems more like a case where the two would be exactly as popular, especially with the perfect match pic like that. I suppose its just more difficult to succeed as a cult/niche title without being the genre this site was built around, and I further suppose that we jumped to conclusions regarding Nintendo SFF; standing up to Bowser is a heck of a lot different from not folding to a top(ish?) tier Zelda title like this. Speaking of which, what a great showing from TP! It's pretty clear that while Europe and Asia have turned their backs on the series, the games are just as well-loved as ever everywhere else, as that was one heck of a Day Vote. And as for the second place battle... I have no idea what to think. I just can't wrap my head around HL2 being that much more popular than the original, even taking the Orange Box and recency and the GotY win (not here, but from most places) into account. Luckily we'll get to see it in action once again in a few weeks, hopefully that will allow me to draw some kind of sensible conclusion.

Regarding tonight, bah, the written word can't possibly describe the venom I'm feeling for GTA right now. I was shocked to the core by that pathetic GotY showing three months back and decided to bet against this series every time the bracket gave me a chance... yet even heading in with that mindset I had no choice but to take San Andreas for first place, and how does GTA thank me? A 4th place finish! At least betting against GTA3 worked out for me, but even then I'd never in a million years have expected it to get smacked in the mouth by KotOR of all things. So I was down on GTA heading into this year, am even more down on them after seeing these three results, and I'm 100% confident that GTA4 is the weakest of the series. ...and yet I'm still backing it for 2nd place.

WHAT? Sorry. I'd love to take SF4, and in more balanced 4pack (like if Brawl were replaced with Halo 3 for instance) I would jump at the opportunity, but it just seems to me that a Smash Bros. opponent is the worst possible draw for anything Street Fighter. From my experience nearly all older gamers cut their teeth on fighters with some variant of SF2, fell away from the genre after a few years when it didn't do anything new, then were drawn back in earlier this decade thanks to SSB's casual-friendly appeal. And as for the younger gamers who weren't old enough to have experienced SF2 back in its prime, well... I somehow doubt many of them spent the $60 on SF4, while probably ALL of them have played some Brawl and/or GTA4. I mean, not even the MATCH PIC is doing SF4 any favors in this one; you've got similar poses and placement and photoshop effects, but then you realize that the option touting an ensemble cast of Chun Li, M. Bison, and Ken is about five pixels away from the option offering Mario, Pikachu, and Samus (plus Link's left shoulder, which is apparently the more popular of the two). It's just a bad situation all around.
Ngamer64 | Posted 5/4/2009 11:11:20 PM | message detail | filter | #046
So if SF4 is in a bad spot and GTA4 is just flat out bad, and considering how PS2 RPGs have been on fire and cult RPGs in generally have been impressing, why not back P4 for the upset? ...nah, just not seeing it. Knights of the Old Republic and Tales of Symphonia are sometimes called "cult" but that's really just an oversimplification of the term; Persona is the dictionary-perfect definition. I'm expecting a showing much more along the lines of Phoenix Wright than what ToS pulled off. And as for Brawl, well, those hyping the game to approach 50% are just crazy IMO. Sure none of these other options are juggernauts, but these are still three very strong, very distinct fanbases we're talking about, and between them they provide a good coverage of the 360 and PS3 and PS2. Anything much above 45 would really impress me out of SSBB.


Final answer:

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 44.22%
Grand Theft Auto IV - 21.38%
Street Fighter IV - 20.97%
Persona 4 - 13.43%

But feel free to fuel my GTA hatred by pushing it down to 3rd, SF4!

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Chaotic Mind | Posted 5/4/2009 11:13:54 PM | message detail | filter | #047

From: Lopen | #041
Man. Street Fighter 4 doubt is unfounded, GTA has flopped way worse than SF2 could ever dream of this contest!


LoL. Btw i'm laughing at myself too Lopen, i picked SF4 in my bracket and still had it even with GTA4 in my oracle after seeing SFII flop.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/4/2009 11:17:28 PM | message detail | filter | #048
*slowly removes glasses*

Good gracious! I spent a paragraph explaining in detail why SSB would be the ultimate SF-drainer, but even I didn't think it could get THIS bad! And looks like I'm going to have to eat my words about Brawl pushing for 50 as well, once that sick Day Vote starts to kick in... Even so I remain convinced that this is SSB eating SF alive much moreso than it is Brawl being a world-beater.

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transience | Posted 5/4/2009 11:19:07 PM | message detail | filter | #049
the Brawl picks here are all over, from 35% to my 52%. didn't think anyone would think highly enough of this pack to take Brawl below 40, but then I didn't think anyone would take Half-Life 2 and it won so hey.
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Lopen | Posted 5/4/2009 11:19:57 PM | message detail | filter | #050
It's not so much I thought highly of this pack as I was very skeptical of Brawl.

Turns out I was dumb. Whoops.
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