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Best Game Ever 2 Contest Analysis Crew
| Lopen | Posted 4/9/2009 8:46:21 PM | message detail | filter | #201 |
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Don't give up on Mega Man 2 imhhho. What. --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/9/2009 8:46:33 PM | message detail | filter | #202 |
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Hey no way Watching games I could care less about battling it out while blowing away games I actually care about is awesome --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/9/2009 8:46:59 PM | message detail | filter | #203 |
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Thanks for reminding me Lopen! Add 'watching games I love tank' to that swell list! --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/9/2009 8:47:18 PM | message detail | filter | #204 |
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don't mind HM, he complains about this weakass division but then can't wait for FF4/MM3/Crystalis/River City Ransom fanboyz --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 4/9/2009 8:47:42 PM | message detail | filter | #205 |
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mega man 2 more like scrub man 2 ! --- http://i44.tinypic.com/sficrr.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/9/2009 8:48:16 PM | message detail | filter | #206 |
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Scrub Man would make a good Robot Master --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Lopen | Posted 4/9/2009 8:49:15 PM | message detail | filter | #207 |
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Scrub Man beating Bubble Man would make a hell of a lot more sense than whatever it was that beat him. --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/9/2009 8:50:21 PM | message detail | filter | #208 |
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Is there any guest spots open? --- [ FINAL FOUR ] FFVII / Super Mario Bros. 3 / LoZ: Ocarina of Time / Metal Gear Solid |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/9/2009 8:51:25 PM | message detail | filter | #209 |
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Not until after Earthbound's match. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| ZFS | Posted 4/9/2009 8:52:23 PM | message detail | filter | #210 |
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don't mind HM, he complains about this weakass division but then can't wait for FF4/MM3/Crystalis/River City Ransom Gotta take it slow -- that's two games people like, then the next division we get three! --- http://i44.tinypic.com/sficrr.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 4/9/2009 8:53:39 PM | message detail | filter | #211 |
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I am kinda looking forward to this next match, though, if only to see what happens with this whole Metroid/Contra thing. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/sficrr.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/9/2009 8:55:09 PM | message detail | filter | #212 |
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Voting for Dragon Warrior III is going to be more fun than any amount
of fun I got from the last three matches combined. It also means the
end of this division. So I suppose you could say I'm looking forward to it. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/9/2009 8:56:12 PM | message detail | filter | #213 |
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pfft Mega Man 3 is probably Pac-Man tier! so in that sense we've already had two. --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| Kaxon | Posted 4/9/2009 10:11:10 PM | message detail | filter | #214 |
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Mario 3 had some pretty bad matches in 2004, really. that 40% FF1
put up still blows my mind. Metroid should have gotten Donkey Kong'd,
but didn't. Zelda 1 did way better than I would have expected for the
clear #1 NES game - you'd think it would have SFFed it or something.
'tis why I'm not too confident in Mario 1 beating Zelda 1. This post seems all kinds of wrong to me :) 78% against a game with the name recognition of Metroid seems like nothing to be ashamed of. Sure the original game has aged badly, but it was popular at the time and more importantly its series was still popular in 2004. I would call 57% against Zelda 1 pretty impressive really... there was never a doubt in my mind that SMB3 would win the division, but Zelda seems like the clear #2 NES game to me. I'm surprised you'd pick SMB1 over Zelda at all... I even remember you saying a few contests back when some noob asked "since when is Zelda more popular than Mario?" you said since the first one. --- I made a living on time trial blowing myself off to cross the finish line at ludicrous speed. -transience |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/9/2009 10:16:09 PM | message detail | filter | #215 |
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I would call 57% against Zelda 1 pretty impressive really... there
was never a doubt in my mind that SMB3 would win the division, but
Zelda seems like the clear #2 NES game to me. I'm surprised you'd pick
SMB1 over Zelda at all... I even remember you saying a few contests
back when some noob asked "since when is Zelda more popular than
Mario?" you said since the first one. oh, I don't have Mario 1 over Zelda 1. it's just a debated match. I don't think it's really all that impressive given how Mario 3 is *the* Mario game whereas Zelda 1, to most people, is completely outclassed by LTTP. FF1 getting 40% is also pretty poor on a game that's supposed to be top 5 or 6 on the site. FF1 is a low-tier FF title; the top Mario game should be able to do better than that. --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| Kaxon | Posted 4/9/2009 10:31:10 PM | message detail | filter | #216 |
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I didn't really have a problem with FF1 getting 40% - it's a low tier
FF title but it was still a top-tier NES game for it's time, almost
definitely one of the top 5. Plus I think series loyalty will always
play some role in these results. 60% was still a decisive win for SMB3. --- I made a living on time trial blowing myself off to cross the finish line at ludicrous speed. -transience |
| DpObliVion | Posted 4/9/2009 10:51:28 PM | message detail | filter | #217 |
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DpOblivion's Unofficial Quick Analysis: Don't got much to say about this one. Contra is probably a better and more popular game than the original Metroid, but I'm going with the name value that the whole series brings to Metroid. I just don't think the old-school classic of Contra has enough strength left over the years to pull out a second place finish. Dp's bracket says: Legend of Zelda > Metroid Dp's prediction is: Legend of Zelda > Metroid Confidence Rating: 75% The Legend of Zelda - 55.50% Metroid - 19% Contra - 16% Dragon Warrior III - 9.50% --- Martin Brodeur: 555 career wins -- Patrick Roy: 551 career wins Best Game Ever 2009 - See profile for printable brackets |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 4/9/2009 11:00:02 PM | message detail | filter | #218 |
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Ngamer's Rebellious Writeup Ha, another match where I go to sleep without much confidence in my choice, but Europe and the early morning vote bail me out for another win. I can't believe I'm one of only 3% of the site that's managed to go 3/3 to this point... I mean I had decent reasoning behind my picks but I've still been walking on eggshells for the first half of these matches. And I don't think tonight will be any different! Every single Crew writeup went like this: I'd take Metroid without too much trouble 1v1, but with Zelda in the way Contra has a clear edge here. Personally, I'm not entirely buying that line of thought. Let's take a look at some results, starting with the early days: * 2004 - Mario defeats Metroid with 78% * 2004 - LttP defeats Super Metroid with 74% * 2005 - Mario defeats Samus with 60% Alright, so these are pretty ugly, and certainly the three most well-known Samus/Metroid SFF'd results, which is why people assume that's still the case for this series/character. But actually things have been looking much better for it recently. Just take a look at * 2006 - Link defeats Samus with 78% (with Mario involved) * 2006 - Mario defeats Samus with 60% (with Link involved) ...okay, so the 2006 ToC was still pretty awful for Samus. BUT, in the 4ways battles of the past two years: * 2007 - Link defeats Samus with 70% * 2008 - Link defeats Samus with 70% (with Mario involved) * 2008 - Mario defeats Samus with 54% (with Link involved) Check it out- a major improvement against Mario, and she even held up quite well against Link all things considered. My theory is that the darker, more mature Metroid franchise continues to distance itself from Nintendo, which is allowing Samus and her games to hold their own more and more in recent years. This line of reasoning has lead me to... but I'm out of time, so here's my pick! The Legend of Zelda - 57.06% Contra - 16.08% Metroid - 15.84% Dragon Warrior III - 11.01% I'll continue these thoughts in a bit! --- thengamer.com/guru/ says we just got owned hard by FastFalcon! (thengamer.com/xstats & board8.wikia.com are neat) |
| ZFS | Posted 4/9/2009 11:02:08 PM | message detail | filter | #219 |
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Haha, well then. Props to KP! --- http://i44.tinypic.com/sficrr.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/9/2009 11:05:04 PM | message detail | filter | #220 |
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Okay, I expected this from Contra But Metroid is just being silly. What happened to LoZ/Metroid in the series contest? Ah, screw it. Hand me those props. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| transience | Posted 4/9/2009 11:09:26 PM | message detail | filter | #221 |
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I had a feeling this was gonna happen after watching Pac-Man come so
close to MM2 and franchise loyalty reigning supreme. I shoulda picked
it, ah well. Zelda for 60% let's go --- xyzzy |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 4/9/2009 11:13:53 PM | message detail | filter | #222 |
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Getting back to it, ---- This line of reasoning has lead me to making Metroid-avoids-SFF-better-these-days one of the foundations of my bracket this season. I picked Prime to defeat Kingdom Hearts straight up in R1, THEN top even FFX in R2 (because two other major PSX hits are going to be competing in that match) [and actually those aren't SFF matches for Metroid, but still!], and I also have Super Metroid surviving alongside LttP to advance to R3 (though partially that's just me giving the Sonic series a wildly disrespectful slap in the face). And yet with all that Metroid faith... I'm still backing Contra in this one. Why? Not out of a lack of respect for Metroid, but just because I think Contra has some fairly decent strength. FF1 was no joke in '04, and I was quite surprised when I looked back a couple weeks ago and noticed that Contra had scored a solid 30% there. Also, kind of like Ninja Gaiden, I think the Contra series is helped by the fact that it's still somewhat relevant these days. The newer games aren't selling in huge numbers, but its not like the latest NG release lit the world on fire either, and that was still enough to slip by Duck Hunt thanks to the enormous Pac-Man sized piece of the pie that Mario swallowed. Zelda seems a good candidate to do something similar in this one (though not to the same crazy extent, of course), and that's enough for me to maintain my Contra backing. --- Alright, didn't check the poll at all while I was finishing that up. Now let's see if these early results break my heart. --- thengamer.com/guru/ says we just got owned hard by FastFalcon! (thengamer.com/xstats & board8.wikia.com are neat) |
| Lopen | Posted 4/9/2009 11:15:04 PM | message detail | filter | #223 |
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Mmmm broken hearts it's like Valentine's Day all over again. --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/9/2009 11:15:40 PM | message detail | filter | #224 |
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oh god Ngamer --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 4/9/2009 11:21:35 PM | message detail | filter | #225 |
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Good heavens! Samus has always been excellent in the power hour while I
think Contra would be a decent day vote candidate, but with a start
this absurd it isn't even going to matter. That's okay though, I'll gladly sacrifice these two points up front considering the re-evaluation of those '04 Metroid blowouts that a result this impressive is going to cause us to make. Let's go Prime and Super Met! --- thengamer.com/guru/ says we just got owned hard by FastFalcon! (thengamer.com/xstats & board8.wikia.com are neat) |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/9/2009 11:22:46 PM | message detail | filter | #226 |
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I don't think you're in the clear with those. Mainly because I would
take KH over MP in a 1 on 1 match, but I'm in the minority there. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| transience | Posted 4/9/2009 11:24:45 PM | message detail | filter | #227 |
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I don't think this means much for Prime. all this is is old games being
weak as hell. the theme of this so far is franchise voting. ..but these are old games. we don't care about old games on this site. I'm not sure if this will continue to happen - maybe for Super Metroid over Doom or Sonic, but not with Prime. --- xyzzy |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 4/9/2009 11:39:13 PM | message detail | filter | #228 |
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Yeah, this could be meaningful for that Super Met matchup, but I agree
that Prime's situation is a whole different animal. With that one I'm
just saying, look at these America-only PSX sales: Kingdom Hearts -- 3.28 million Final Fantasy X -- 2.46 million Metal Gear Solid 2 -- 2.25 million Kingdom Hearts II -- 2.30 million Final Fantasy XII -- 1.85 million Prime gets a whole system and genre to itself, whereas how many PSX owners do you think only played one of those three games? The MGS base obviously isn't going anywhere, so that whole match is going to come down to how badly FFX is able to suck KH dry. I'm not a huge believer in individual KH games, but the series held up decently well all things considered, so I still think Prime was a good upset to back in that one. --- thengamer.com/guru/ says we just got owned hard by FastFalcon! (thengamer.com/xstats & board8.wikia.com are neat) |
| ZFS | Posted 4/9/2009 11:42:04 PM | message detail | filter | #229 |
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It's probably not a popular belief with all the MGS hype lately, but
I'm expecting MGS2 to get hurt there in the same way FFVII would hurt
MGS1. Not to such an extreme, but I don't think FFX has any troubles
with that match. I'm not a big believer in Prime either, but it does
have the standout factor if nothing else. Still like FFX for first
there, though. It's just too far ahead of the rest of those. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/sficrr.jpg |
| Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 4/10/2009 12:25:29 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #230 |
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Duck Hunt...............10.61% 12185 Galaga.......................6.26% 7195 Ninja Gaiden...........12.58% 14455 Super Mario Bros....70.54% 81024 TOTAL VOTES....................114859 Matches Completely Correct - 2 Matches Partially Correct - 1 Matches Completely Wrong - 0 What Happened - SMB just laid down the ownage here. The 70.54% it managed barely beats out Link's fourway record from 2007. Waaaaaaaay behind in second place is Ninja Gaiden, which beat out Duck Hunt without too much trouble. Why it Happened - "Buncha old games hey it's mario i'll vote for that." Ninja Gaiden did pretty awful too (worse than I thought and I had it in 3rd). However, with SMB just killing here, it could be that if SMB had done 5-10% worse, Duck Hunt would have won. Looks like the SFF here was very real and very painful. What Will Happen - Well, SMB showed its stuff. Your turn, LoZ. Crew Prediction Challenge - 4 people getting points here! Guest - 3 HM - 2 Moltar - 1 Tran - 1 Leon - 1 Lopen - 1 Ed - 1 Crew Accuracy Challenge - Lopen gets the point for SMB and Duck Hunt, HM gets the point for Ninja Gaiden and Galaga. HM - 3 Lopen - 3 Leon - 2 Ed - 2 Moltar - 1 Tran - 1 Guest (Luster) - 1 --- Moltar Status: let's go DW3/Contra/Metroid/LoZ - Bracket: LoZ > Contra - Vote: Metroid (8/12) |
| Chaotic Mind | Posted 4/10/2009 6:01:45 AM | message detail | filter | #231 |
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Man, i don't know why i allowed myself to get taken in by all the
"metroid will get curb-stomped by zelda" talk. When i was looking at
the sff-adjusted x-stats for the 2k4 contest i originally predicted
this match to have very similar percentages to what's actually
happening, but after reading the stats topic i changed my bracket. At least I still have Super Metroid advancing over Doom and Sonic, and Prime taking first over FFX in round 2, though I don't think Prime will be taking first in round 1 with KH. Why oh why didn't i keep the faith for Metroid in this match? --- Flash runs alongside Balefire watching marshmallows stop existing. - WarThaNemesis2 |
| Gaddswell | Posted 4/10/2009 6:13:40 AM | message detail | filter | #232 |
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Go go guest! They're off to a great start this time around. --- http://www.court-records.net/manga/4koma/(eng)4koma2.png Hail FastFalcon, our new guru overlord! |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/10/2009 7:58:50 AM | message detail | filter | #233 |
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Way to go, Guest! This is feeling like my time on the Series Contest Crew! So, I guess the question now is whether Metroid hurts Zelda or Mario worse. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 8:02:13 AM | message detail | filter | #234 |
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I think both equally... right? Samus/Mario may be an indicator. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| transience | Posted 4/10/2009 8:29:20 AM | message detail | filter | #235 |
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it's hard to say, but Ninja Gaiden and Metroid are both platformers. --- yzzyx |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 9:42:10 AM | message detail | filter | #236 |
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I don't think it matters at this rate. LoZ is just plain outperforming
SMB here; any little x-factors won't be enough to sway it in SMB's
favor. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/10/2009 10:17:42 AM | message detail | filter | #237 |
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We'll see what happens. LoZ/SMB is one of my most anticipated round 2 matchups. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 4/10/2009 8:06:44 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #238 |
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Division 2: Round 1 - Match 5 – Castlevania 3 vs. Civilization vs. Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Street Fighter 2 Moltar’s Analysis Castlevania 3 2004 Results: N/A How will something Castlevania that’s not SOTN fare? Civilization 2004 Results: N/A Not as good as Empire Sonic 2004 Results: N/A Where it all began for the Blue Blur SF2 2004 Results: Lost in Round 1 against Super Mario RPG Obligatory “OMG SF2 LOST?!?!?!” quote This match is all about Sonic and Street Fighter 2. Both games are advancing, the question is which one takes first. Castlevania beats out Civ solely due to namesake, but those two will be quite behind the big games here. I’m going to be honest here. This match is pretty much a toss-up in my eyes. We have some old data for SF2, but old-school Sonic in this current age is tough to judge. It’s no surprise that Sonic has been doing worse in Contests because of the less-than-stellar quality of the Sonic games being released these days. Still, the old-school games do get tons of love due to nostalgia. However, SF2 is like a fine wine, getting HD and turbo with age. Not only do the SF2 remakes keep the game fresh, but it’s also got Street Fighter 4 (son) in its corner. Alright, let’s rewind and look at 2004 for a minute. SF2 lost against Super Mario RPG in an Ulti-style blowout. SMRPG then went on to get doubled by Chrono Trigger. Doesn’t look good for SF2, eh? Well, Sonic 2, which is most likely stronger than Sonic 1, got beat 70-30 by Super Mario World, and that only got 41% on CT. Obviously, the amount of SFF here is in question with Mario/Sonic and SNES RPGs, so 2004 really doesn’t help with this match. So basically this match comes down to which game you believe is stronger at the moment. Personally, I like Sonic here. The older games get lots of love, and it’s more played on the site than SF2. Plus Sonic is just more popular than SF on GameFAQs. The big questions here are 1) how important is SF2’s relevance today, with Street Fighter 2 HD Turbo Ultra Giga Mondo Hadouken Edition LIVE Remix and all the remakes keeping the spirit of SF2? 2) What role, if any, with SF4’s release play? The increased SF fan traffic could push this close match in SF’s favor. Moltar’s Bracket Says: Sonic 1 > Street Fighter 2 Moltar’s Prediction is: Sonic 1: 36% - SF2: 34% - Castlevania 3: 18% - Civilization: 12% Heroic Mario’s Analysis This is probably the first real good match we've had all contest, if only because the top two games are potentially fighting for first. It probably won't end up that way, but there's at least two notable games here for a change. I doubt we'll see a blowout in any case, something like MM2/Pac-Man instead. As far as who takes first, I'm confident enough in Street Fighter. Some people have gotten a little worried about Sonic with how big franchise voting has played so far (Zelda > Metroid woo), but I don't think that's going to make much difference here. It'll be present, but after Mega Man sucked it up, Sonic shouldn't be expected to fare much better, even if his series likely to stronger. There's a number of points you can make in Street Fighter's favor, too, ones that hard pretty hard to argue against. It's got the name, it's got the fans, and it even has a 'recency' factor going for it with HD Remix and SFIV. SFII was also played by practically everybody, and it's a great game in its own right on top of that. That's a big advantage -- when you have playership and you're generally viewed as a great game. This isn't a Pac-Man situation. Added to all of this is the fact that it's up against Sonic 1, not the more popular Sonic 2 or Sonic 3. |
| Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 4/10/2009 8:07:18 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #239 |
| I find it pretty hard to argue for Sonic here. It
can't use its iconic status, or its widespread popularity, over
something like Street Fighter, meaning it has to rely on its own
quality and fans. Given how sorry Sonic has looked lately, the safe
choice has gotta be SF. Street Fighter II -- 45% Sonic the Hedgehog -- 30% Castlevania III -- 15% Civilization -- 10% Bracket: Street Fighter II > Sonic the Hegehog Favorites: Street Fighter II > Castlevania III Lopen’s Analysis Ss and Cs battle out for ultimate gameplay supremacy! ... yeah!! So I think the blue rat is being highly considered for first place here, but I just don't see that happening. Sonic's been droppin every year, the other boy in blue failed big time, and unlike his blue brother Sonic has already had a chance with his games in these contests and utterly blew it. Not to mention, Sonic will be the weakest Sonic entry of the original trilogy by a good little bit-- no stats to back this up that I know of, these are just the stats of life talking. Meanwhile, in the red corner, M Bison and Ken are spitting on Sonic's blue. Street Fighter 2 is fresh off the momentum of the smash hit STREET FITAH 4 SON, so it's got that in its favor here. The format should also help the devoted Street Fighter 2 fanbase out, if we needed more nails in the blue man group's coffin. No... no... what I think Sonic needs to be concerning himself is Castlevania 3. Just admit it, Castlevania 3 beating Sonic here would be way past cool. I mean, the series is a pretty popular one here. Castlevania 3 is arguably the most popular one this side of SotN. ... that's about it, really. I don't really have anything to support it either way, I just think Castlevania 3 is being underrated here... with all the star power of DRACULA and his curse (way cooler than a mummy's curse) Sonic shouldn't have to try too hard to choke this one away. Lost in this battle is Civilization. That's right, Civilization itself is lost. I'll enjoy watching Civilization crumble here. Street Fighter 2 will ruin Civilization. Ha ha ha ha yeah, that's about all the entertainment this game is giving us. What a title! Lopen's Prediction: STREET FITAH 2 SON – 37.19% Hedgehogs can't defeat Sheng Long to save their life – 26.99% Castlevania 3 – 22.66% Civilization – 13.16% Transience’s Analysis Division 1 has made one thing very clear -- when it comes to old games, the name means more than the game. Donkey Kong is just not a very good game, but it beat Punch-Out. Metroid 1 is whoa no thanks, but it beat Contra despite Zelda being there. Mega Man is a franchise of the past and thus flopped; there is no way Metroid 1 is actually more popular than Mega Man 2, but thanks to the name it probably wins a one-on-one match. Which brings us to today's question - which "name" is bigger, Sonic or Street Fighter? I say it's Sonic. Yeah, I know Sonic's bombed left and right these last two years. But Street Fighter's not really any better - SF2 is perennially overrated. Sure, SF4 came out and sure, it sold a good amount of copies. But those people don't come to GameFAQs - fighting games just aren't that big here. Sonic isn't anything to brag about either, but at least you see people care about how bad his games have gotten. SF2/4 has a few faithful fans that are very vocal (hello), but really, it's a pretty niche audience. SF4 has bombed in every poll it's been in and SF2 quite famously lost to a fourth-tier Mario game. |
| Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 4/10/2009 8:08:03 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #240 |
| On the other hand, people actively complain about
Sonic because they legitimately love the older games. I don't think
they'd stand up too well if put against a series that people were
really into, but most people are not big on Street Fighter. I've also
heard the complaint that Sonic 1 is inferior to Sonic 2 & 3, but I
don't think that even matters much -- after all, Mario 1 is inferior to
Mario 3 and it just dropped 70%. In a battle of franchise voting, I'll
side with Sonic. I'm going against my bracket here, but I just feel
some weird kind of SF2 deja vu here. Maybe picking against my bracket will actually make it be correct for once! Street Fighter II lost? it's about to lose again and to Sonic, ouch transience's prediction: Sonic the Hedgehog - 43% Street Fighter II - 38% Castlevania III - 10% Civilization - 9% Leon’s Analysis Castlevania III: Dracula’s Curse: I don’t know much of anything about the Castlevania series since I’ve never played one (though I’ve wanted to, just never have yet). The series has proven that it’s pretty popular in the Series Contest and various POTDs, but it seems like the game of choice has always been Symphony of the Night. Considering Alucard’s been the only Castlevania character with any strength, I don’t think many of the other games will be that strong. I don’t think it’s got much of a chance to advance here. Civilization: I don’t know much about this series either, other than that it barely got 10% on the Legend of Zelda series back in the Series Contest. Looking at the other rare polls involving Civilization, it doesn’t seem to be that popular on GameFAQs. It seems to be destined for a last place finish here. Sonic the Hedgehog: I’m not sure what to think of the original Sonic. According to a POTD, about 88% of the site has played it, so playrate won’t be an issue here. The question is how well it’s liked. According to an OLD (as in, 2001) poll, the original Sonic game finished well behind Sonic 2 and Sonic & Knuckles, but around the same level as Sonic 3 and Sonic Adventure 1. Not sure what to think of that. Of course, it’s probably the same situation as the original Mario Bros. If you like 2-D Sonic games, you probably like the original; it’s just not your favorite. My main concern is Sonic’s recent downward spiral on this site, and the fact that the games themselves have never done so hot when put into polls involving other games. In that Favorite 2-D Platformer Series poll, Sonic barely beat Castlevania and lost cleanly to Mega Man. I think this may be our first really close match for first place here. Street Fighter II: With the recent release of Street Fighter IV, Street Fighter awareness may be at an all-time high on GameFAQs. Of course, having a top-ranked FAQ here doesn’t mean much in these contests (Pokemon and San Andreas can attest to this), but it’s always nice to have. Like Sonic, Street Fighter is a series that nearly everyone’s played, but it’s not the most favored. This is a tough decision, honestly. I wouldn’t take Sonic 1 over Mario RPG either. I can’t really find anything decisive that points to one series over another other than Sonic being stronger than Ryu, but games =/= characters and all that. This is just a gut instinct pick, but I’m going with SFII to win. Leonhart’s Vote: Street Fighter II, son! Leonhart’s Prediction: Castlevania III: Dracula’s Curse – 18.13% Civilization – 15.31% Sonic the Hedgehog – 33.12% Street Fighter II – 33.44% Ed Bellis’s Analysis And now we move to the even more aptly named “1988-1991” Division, a weird fusion between the end of 8-bit the beginning of 16. Hopefully this division will be more of a cake than the previous one, as there’s a clear-cut first- and second-place winner in all but one of the matches. Let’s see what wonders the first match holds! |
| Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 4/10/2009 8:08:23 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #241 |
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Castlevania III. It’s the third iteration in the Castlevania
series, which introduces us to Alucard, he of Symphony of the Night
fame. Barring a catastrophic performance by Sonic 1 (which certainly
isn’t out of the question), it’s safe to write this game off as third
place. Civilization. Hey, remember when the Civ series got curbstomped by the Zelda series? The former definitely has a fanbase here, but it’s not enough to make that much of a difference in this match. Sonic the Hedgehog. The original game that introduced us to Sega’s answer to Mario, Sonic 1 is untested. Its sequel got tripled by Super Mario World in a one-on-one poll, and Sonic tends to bomb in four-ways, so I doubt the game gets any higher than second. Street Fighter II. Here to avenge its loss to Super Mario RPG – and fresh in the public eye thanks to STREETFIGHTAFOWA – is the first notable game of its kind, and my pick for first place. SF2 not only stands out from the rest of the pack the most, it’s also probably the most well-known game of the bunch – which, as we’ve seen from the first four matches, helps a ton. Street Fighter will take first, but what of Sonic’s fate? Will the characters’ pitiful four-way performances transfer to their games? I won’t take the Castlevania upset just yet, but I won’t rule it out as a possibility. With the presence of Mario 3 next round Sonic’s as good as dead in the water anyway (cue the DROWNING MUSIC). Prediction: Hey Sonic, can I borrow a hammer? Castlevania III with 21.13% Civilization with 16.06% Sonic the Hedgehog with 24.23% Street Fighter II with 38.58% Guest’s Analysis - Yoblazer Hey, guys. No small talk - let's just get down to business. Our first Division 2 match pits together Castlevania III, Civilization, Sonic the Hedgehog, and Street Fighter II. Now, barring a pretty significant (although not impossible) upset, I feel this is one of those cases where the top two are pretty safe, but their order is up for debate. In this case, those top two are probably Sonic and Street Fighter II. Civilization is a very niche series here, and as Dragon Warrior III is showing us right now, that's a bonafide death sentence when we're dealing with games. Reaching 10% should be considered a healthy goal and a moral victory for the oldie strategy game. Castlevania III, on the other hand, actually has a shot at making some noise. As a series, Castlevania could conceivably challenge Sonic. I know the Series Contest has some wonked out stats, but I'd take a series that easily beat Halo and held tough against Kingdom Hearts to give Sonic a fight. That said, when you break them down to individual games, I think Castlevania is just a bit too diluted and loses its luster. Huge series, been around forever, but outside of Symphony of the Night (the series linchpin), I don't see much individual threat, and I don't see too realistic a chance of this one threatening. Which brings us to our big two competitors, Sonic the Hedgehog and Street Fighter II. Five years ago, Sonic probably goes in as a favorite and takes this, but times have changed. I'll only dwell on the 2004 games contest a bit, one sentence for each game. I think Sonic 2 was indeed SFF'd by Mario World and that back then, the game was stronger than the final result indicated. That said, I also think Mario RPG, the game that gave Street Fighter II its infamous loss, could have taken any Sonic game. Seems like a case could be made for either game, but once again, times have changed, son. |
| Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 4/10/2009 8:09:42 PM | message detail | delete | filter | #242 |
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While Street Fighter has seemed stable over the years, Sonic has seen
fit to jump off every pit of despair it could find. Bad release after
bad release have plagued the series. Its characters, once excellent
upper midcarders capable of beating tough opponents, have degraded into
jokes. They blow ass in this format, get SFF'd by everything under the
Nintendo sun, and SERIOUSLY BLOW ASS IN THIS FORMAT. Sonic Team's
pathetic performances in 4ways (2008 was an unmitigated disgrace) do
lower my confidence in their games, whether characters = games or not.
Now, if we combine that with Street Fighter IV's recent release, the
fact that Castlevania has a lot more in common with Sonic than it does
with Street Fighter, and the fact that we just witnessed Mega Man 2 bomb royally... I'd say that's enough ammo to go with a comfy Street Fighter II win. BONUS MY TOP THREE SF THEMES BONUS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iof5pRAIZmw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBZsX3IR2PA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEVchjpWaJo Civilization - 9% Castlevania III - 22% Sonic the Hedgehog - 31% Street Fighter II - 38% Crew Consensus: Sonic > SF2 is the majority. However, Moltar and Tran have Sonic winning. Does old-school Sonic still have it, or will SF’s relevance win it the match. |
| PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/10/2009 8:10:01 PM | message detail | filter | #243 |
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moltar and tran pretty smart men --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 8:20:48 PM | message detail | filter | #244 |
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Sonic > SF2 is the majority. *double take* --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/10/2009 8:27:00 PM | message detail | filter | #245 |
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Moltar's Sonic bias strikes again! my Sonic, uh, apathy strikes too --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/10/2009 8:27:47 PM | message detail | filter | #246 |
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What in the world are people doing picking Sonic to be closer to CASTLEVANIA III than Street Fighter II? Seriously. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/10/2009 8:28:32 PM | message detail | filter | #247 |
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Moltar's Sonic bias strikes again! Strangely enough, I'm not overrating Sonic as usual this contest! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 8:28:47 PM | message detail | filter | #248 |
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Leon. Do you really want to be the guy who trusts in Sonic after last year's performance and gets burned again? No. No one does. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/10/2009 8:28:47 PM | message detail | filter | #249 |
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I'm surprised people have C3 so high. I take it they haven't played it? that's not to say that it's bad, but this is *not* SOTN. --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/10/2009 8:31:02 PM | message detail | filter | #250 |
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Do you really want to be the guy who trusts in Sonic after last year's performance and gets burned again? No. No one does. No, I'm not even picking Sonic to win here, but I just can't understand why people are expecting SFII to win in a rout. When did people suddenly get this idea that SFII is strong? I don't understand where that came from. It's NOT. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
