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Character Battle VII Contest Analysis Crew - Part 3

DpObliVion | Posted 11/8/2008 10:49:46 PM | message detail | #451 | filter
DpOblivion's Unofficial Quick Analysis:

WHOOO PIKACHU!!!! You're like, my new favorite character...

After Vivi failed to take 2nd last round, that puts Zero in the match to SFF Mega Man. As we saw previously, those two may split more closely than would be hoped, which is bad for Mega Man, especially since he's facing one of the strongest Noble Nine characters and the lone joke entry remaining.

I suppose after seeing Pikachu (Pikachu?!?!) take down L-Block, there's hope for WCC To go down tomorrow, and that would be some awesome back-to-back results. Whatever happened today that got Pikachu over L-Block though, I don't think it will happen tomorrow, unless WCC or Zero flop. With Snake and a strong joke presence, there just doesn't seem to be enough percentage to go around for Mega Man and Zero, looking at the split they had in their previous match.

Doubting Mega Man after Pikachu just killed a joke....tough to do, but L-Block proved last year (when he was fresh and exciting and new) that no opponent is unbeatable in this format against a strong joke vote.

Dp's bracket says: Snake > Mega Man (assuming Vivi and Tidus were in the match instead of Zero and WCC, which obviously makes a tremendous difference)

Dp's prediction is: Snake > WCC

Snake - 36.50%
WCC - 24.75%
Mega Man - 22.75%
Zero - 16%

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transience | Posted 11/8/2008 10:50:48 PM | message detail | #452 | filter
whoo!
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DpObliVion | Posted 11/8/2008 10:52:16 PM | message detail | #453 | filter
Wow, noone in the Crew took Snake > WCC? Give me the Guest points!

Actually, I take that back. I don't want them. Come on, Mega Man!

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ZFS | Posted 11/8/2008 10:53:49 PM | message detail | #454 | filter
Sandbag down, L-Block down, WCC to go

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/8/2008 10:54:03 PM | message detail | #455 | filter
I want Mega Man to win, and will root for him. I just don't see it happening =\
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/8/2008 11:31:16 PM | message detail | #456 | filter
WHOOO PIKACHU!!!! You're like, my new favorite character...

I'll remember this!
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MasterMoltar | Posted 11/9/2008 9:51:38 AM | message detail | #457 | filter
Crew confidence in MM paying off!
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evp | Posted 11/9/2008 7:55:21 PM | message detail | #458 | filter
Freakish - watched yoblazer's link and two hours after the movie "Leon". All I can say is, bricks were shat when that scene played in the movie. There is no such thing as coincidence, yoblazer can TRULY see into the future.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 11/9/2008 10:09:36 PM | message detail | delete | #459 | filter
Moltar's Analysis

still no laptop that means no new installment in the hit series Contest Note tonight augh

Well, Cloud takes first tonight, and the other three competitors are gunning for second. The one with the least chance of taking it is Squall. We saw Cloud triple him a few years back, and he didn't look good going against Sora.

Sora and Mewtwo are fighting for second...and you know whatm even after the turd he laid last round, I'll give Mewtwo another shot at redemption. Yeah, Sora isn't an FF character and is likely to resist SFF better than Squall. Still, Sora is Square, and Mr. Square himself being in the poll is going to hurt him.

Now, Mewtwo looked bad last round, but this time he's the only Nintendo character going (no Zelda to hurt him) and he's going to stand out like crazy. It should be close either way, but I'm going with Mewtwo.

Cloud - 48% :: Mewtwo - 19% :: Sora - 18% :: Squall - 15%



Yoblazer's Analysis

The Division 6 finale is a pretty interesting one, but there really isn't much to write about it. In the match between Cloud Strife, Squall Leonhart, Sora, and Mewtwo, only two entrants hold all the cards: the Square SFF leviathan and the oddly placed Nintendo standout.

Don't get me wrong; Squall and Sora are both far stronger than Mewtwo. Unfortunately for them, there's not too much they can actually do in this scenario other than hold on for dear life. Cloud is the only guy who can blast with Square SFF as hard as Link and Mario can with the Nintendo variety. If he decides to go crazy, Mewtwo is looking good. Similarly, if Mewtwo decides to take advantage of his position as the only Nintendo/Pokemon/cartoony voting option (something Pikachu did only hours ago), he'll be looking good. In fact, I'd be considering Mewtwo the big favorite if not for his awful performance in the last round. He almost let Midna catch up to him, and after Midna's atrocious 2007, that's definitely something to mope about. I dunno if Midna was taking advantage of the dominant Zelda/Other Nintendo relationship or what, but a performance like that today won't cut it against Squall and Sora, even if they're suffering from SFF.

I'm still giving Mewtwo the second place win, and I'm thinking he'll show up with better game than last time, but it's not something I'm tremendously confident about. Either of the two lesser Square guys can take him out. Of the two, Sora has the advantage, as he (according to common sense, anyway) should be hurt less by Cloud, and he looked awesome last round. However, we've never seen Sora perform against Cloud, and for all we know, he could bomb and let Squall sneak through with the surprise victory. Either way, I don't expect an easy win for any of the three, which should make this a fun little match.

Rooting for Squall, expecting a Pokemon.

Squall Leonhart - 17%
Sora - 18%
Cloud Strife - 46%
Mewtwo - 19%



Lopen's Analysis

Hearts and light were now at an all time low with the overly cheerful Yoshi eliminated, and the... well... at least Fox wasn't a total bummer like some people. He'd had enough of Squall telling him to go talk to a wall for the roughly two weeks he'd waited for the next match.. it was time to rock this soap box. Sora took center stage with purpose as Cloud, Squall, and Mewtwo prepared to do battle.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 11/9/2008 10:10:49 PM | message detail | delete | #460 | filter
"I know that you're all wondering... what are we doing here. What we're doing here is simple... we're defeating the darkness! And guys, only by fighting your very hardest can you dismiss the darkness! You have to fight like you mean it... for your friends, for your family... with your heart! You shouldn't need weapons or even votes, as long as you believe in yourself! You see, Kingdom Hearts exists in all of us.. and I think with effort we can make Kanto, Midgar, and Balamb exist in all of our hearts as well! Just put your minds to it, and you the light will fill your hearts with the heart of light! And then, in the light of the heart you can spread the light to the hearts of other--"

Sora snapped out of the rant as he noticed Mewtwo, Cloud, and Squall were all convulsing on the ground, in a seizure-like state. Suddenly a voice boomed through the arena. "Mewtwo and Squall have been eliminated. Cloud does this every Tuesday, he may advance."

Sora shrugged, maybe the box with the heart on it would listen to him talk about hearts next round.

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Okay, seriously now... I'll give this one a bit of analysis because I feel it deserves it. Cloud/Squall SFF should be nasty, and while logic dictates Cloud/Sora SFF should be similarly nasty, I think Sora will be able to make up the difference here. His fanbase just seems like the more independent one at the moment, and he only lost to Squall by ~3% last round... of course, Squall looked hella creepy with that dumbass smile, but even without it, I have my doubts Sora loses by too much more.

Mewtwo? Well, after that terrible performance last round: "lol Mewtwo" Being the only Nintendo entry there can only help so much when you're crap.

Lopen's prediction:
Cloud - 49.14%
Sora - 19.44%
Squall - 17.22%
Mewtwo - 14.20%



Transience's Analysis

what a silly match we had today -- noble nine vs. inanimate objects in a "who can rally more" contest. that just about killed any interest I had in this one. my money's on Mega Man though (it's noon).

today's match is freaking weird. three Square characters, and Cloud is going to clean the hell up. Squall is the strongest character of the three here for sure, but who can forget this?

Cloud Strife 76.21% 68050
Squall Leonhart 23.79% 21240
TOTAL VOTES 89290

Cloud's got a way of beating the hell out of Square. he towers over everyone. he did it with Auron last year, making him lose to Ryu after beating him by like 10%. Sora, meanwhile, has gotten much better over the years, going from getting doubled by Aeris back in 2003 to beating her easily in a four-way -- but don't think for a second he's going to escape Cloud. he's a bit more separated from Final Fantasy than Squall is -- there are people who have played KH without FF7, but not many who have played FF8 but not FF7 -- but he's still gonna get crushed. I think Sora outperforms Squall here, but not by a lot.

that brings us to Mewtwo, who went from being impressive to being depressing, nearly losing to Midna and getting a horrible percentage in the process. Midna being gone is going to help him a lot, though, as will being the only non-Square option. I expect him to outperform his R2 percentage, and I expect Cloud to absolutely rock this poll. Cloud over Link let's do this

transience's prediction:

Cloud with 51.39%
Mewtwo with 18.14%
Sora with 15.55%
Squall with 14.92%
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 11/9/2008 10:11:50 PM | message detail | delete | #461 | filter
Ngamer's Analysis

Haven't been able to follow the poll today... looks like Mega Man went out to a comfortable lead this morning, and then the Cube went on a big surge out of nowhere? Darn these jokes! Ah well, here's hoping that MM can pull a joke-hate fueled Frog in these last hours while I'm out at the theater. But if not, eh, Cloud and Snake will cook his goose next time around, so nothing to worry too much about.

And now for what might very well be the best triple-threat of the whole season! Whooooo.


X-Stats from Round Two

Cloud - 44.01% (based on '07 Midna)
Mewtwo - 21.14% (based on '07 Midna)
Squall - 31.38% (based on '07 Fox)
Sora - 30.23% (based on '07 Fox)

The trend this round has been for our NN and other elites to redeem themselves for those soft R1 showings, and given that this is going to be a massive SFF situation, you'd think Cloud would be all set to outdo Link's powerhouse performance from earlier in the week. But not so fast! Square SFF can be bad at times, sure, but it still seems to pale in comparison to the kind of vicious Nintendo SFF that Link can lay down on the Warios of the world. So even though he'll be hurting his Kingdom Hearts buddies quite a bit, I can't see them collapsing far enough to let him take a shot at Link's percentage... heck, if he can even manage 45% I'll be thoroughly impressed!

Speaking of R3 trends, the biggest of all to this point has been Nintendo once again looking like the champs they've been ever since '05. Link, Mario, Samus, Snake today, and of course being topped off by that incredible stunner by Pikachu... which means that Mewtwo has no choice but to do great today! Yes, Cloud certainly hurt his casual appeal a couple weeks back, but I still think that much of that ugly result needs to be chalked up to Midna's decent Zelda appeal. I was feeling pretty decent about Mew advancing out of this one two days ago, but I feel very good about it after seeing an unhindered Pika unleash that full Pokemon power on L-Block. Let's go Mewtwo!

The only question that remains to be answered: Sora, or Squall? Well on the one hand Cloud figures to damage Squall a decent bit more, given how connected FF7 and FF8 would have to be. But on the other hand, he's not going to be held back by Smilin' Squall this time around, which in my mind is going to be worth a ton. Even it out, and I think I still have to give Sora an advantage...but only a small one. If he wins this, I imagine he's going to have to do so with his sick ASV.

So if Cloud ruins the competition but Mewtwo improves thanks to Midna's absence while Sora and Squall kill each other all day, we'd be looking at something along the lines of... *stirs in the pot for two minutes*

Cloud with 44.51%
Mewtwo with 19.09%
Sora with 18.24%
Squall with 18.16%

That looks... weird. But with triple Square it's bound to be, right?
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 11/9/2008 10:13:21 PM | message detail | delete | #462 | filter
Guest's Analysis - Leonheart

Squall Leonhart


Yeah, he looked really bad last round and let Sora rip him to pieces with the ASV, and he’s got the worst possible opponent that he could’ve drawn in this contest (darn you bacon), but I haven’t given up on Squall yet. Yeah, he’s going to take a beating from Cloud, and so will Sora. And maybe Squall will finally decide he wants to SFF the guy this time. He waited until round 3 to do it last year, too! Seriously though, Squall being legitimately stronger than Sora could make a difference here, and Sora having enough fans to vote him over the two biggest FF entities in Kingdom Hearts? Well, it’s possible, but we’ll see!


Sora


Yeah, Sora looked really good last round and he ripped Squall to pieces with the ASV, and he’s in an advantageous position because he’s not going to get hit as hard with SFF by Cloud, but I’m not giving him the win (or second place, whatever) yet! I know this was 2003 (pre-KHII, when Sora came into his own as a likable character), but Aeris did manage to double him once upon a time and hit him good with SFF. He’s not immune to an SFF beatdown, especially when Cloud’s involved. Sora is a Square character in a game full of Final Fantasy characters, and he’s going to have to be popular enough to be voted over the two most popular Final Fantasy mains. Sure, Kingdom Hearts has a lot of fans who haven’t played Final Fantasy, but I wouldn’t say it’s a HUGE amount. Okay, is it obvious that I’m stretching to make Squall look better yet?!


Cloud Strife


This guy’s an obvious first place by a mile, especially with two Square characters and the guy he just embarrassed last round here. I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually gets a higher percentage here than last round because he’s going to be SFFing Squall and Sora, not getting LFF’d. The only real issues here are how much Cloud gets, if he hits Squall and Sora hard enough for Mewtwo to advance, and if not, if he hits Squall hard enough for Sora to advance. All of these things are impossible to analyze because it’s SFF, so I won’t say too much about it. Cloud’s gonna look good here though.


Mewtwo


Mewtwo’s true colors were shown last round when he finally got free from lots of Nintendo SFF. Cloud made him look really bad. It seemed like a no-brainer that Mewtwo would advance if Squall and Sora were here, but not so anymore. He’s still got a chance if Cloud hits them hard enough, but the guy couldn’t even get 17% last round with two other characters weaker than he was. He’s gonna get less this time, especially since Squall and Sora are much stronger. I’m sorry, but less than 20% ain’t gonna be enough to advance unless Cloud’s pushing 60% or so here, which I doubt.


Squall, Old Hero,

Cloud Antagonizing Him

Triumphs Over All


Cloud Strife - 44.44%
Mewtwo - 14.14%
Sora - 19.98%
Squall Leonhart - 21.44%




Crew Consensus: Cloud > Mewtwo is favored over Cloud > Sora and Cloud > Squall
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/9/2008 10:14:48 PM | message detail | #463 | filter
Once again you all seem to be banking on a character who won't win =\ What will this be, 3 days in a row nearly every one of you picked the wrong second place?
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DpObliVion | Posted 11/9/2008 10:21:04 PM | message detail | #464 | filter
DpOblivion's Unofficial Quick Analysis:

I'm still stunned that Sora so easily took 2nd over Yoshi last round. It does make this match a bit more interesting, though. Squall and Sora apparently don't SFF as much as I thought they would. But what happens when Cloud is thrown in the mix? Squall will get SFFed hard, but how will Sora fair? Obviously he should still be far behind Cloud, but if KH is far enough away from FF that Sora can stand up to Cloud better than Squall, then goodbye Squall.

Which leaves the fourth competitor. If I hadn't seen the details of any previous results, and you told me this match was Cloud vs. Squall vs. Sora vs. Mewtwo, I would say Mewtwo has 2nd place easily while Cloud SFFs the other two Square characters. However, Mewtwo was abysmal last round with the combination of Cloud (RPG SFF?) and Midna (Nintendo SFF?). Now, Mewtwo is the only NIntendo character, but he's in a flood of [arguably] superior RPG characters.

You can say Mewtwo has a hold on the younger fanbase, which could push him ahead. But you have to find a reasoning for Sora standing up as well as he did against Squall, and all I can think of is that he also draws power from a younger fanbase.

Lone Nintendo character or not, Mewtwo will not be able to stand up to this competition, just as Squall will not be able to hold up against Cloud. Thus, Sora advances.

Dp's bracket says: Cloud > Yoshi :*(

Dp's prediction is: Cloud > Sora

Cloud - 43.50%
Sora - 21%
Mewtwo - 18%
Squall - 17.50%

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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/9/2008 10:24:56 PM | message detail | #465 | filter
It's odd how almost everyone here is predicting Mewtwo to pull off a percentage that's greater than what he pulled in round 2. I mean, this is a much tougher fourpack and Mewtwo flopped pretty badly last round.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/9/2008 10:26:31 PM | message detail | #466 | filter

From: -LusterSoldier- | #465
It's odd how almost everyone here is predicting Mewtwo to pull off a percentage that's greater than what he pulled in round 2. I mean, this is a much tougher fourpack and Mewtwo flopped pretty badly last round.



Yeah, I don't get it. Sora seems like a lock here.
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Lopen | Posted 11/9/2008 10:28:04 PM | message detail | #467 | filter
Pretty much what Luster said. I think you're all seriously overestimating the power of Midna to hurt Mewtwo. Pac-Man and Midna for Sora and Squall seems kinda crazy for him to go up no matter how much SFF is getting thrown around.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/9/2008 10:28:44 PM | message detail | #468 | filter
I feel Mewtwo may lead after board vote, but lose it to Sora soon after and Sora will never give up the lead.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/9/2008 10:30:19 PM | message detail | #469 | filter
lopen agreeing with luster the apocalyse is nigh
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Lopen | Posted 11/9/2008 10:35:40 PM | message detail | #470 | filter
Also, by the way, I think Leonhart's analysis is the next most likely one to be correct, despite being as colored by Squall fanboyism as it is. A strong point that last round was the first match Mewtwo was in that wasn't SFFville. Mewtwo might just be a fraud, really.
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Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 3 - Dante/Leon/Kirby.
Target: 48%. Robot LFF/SFF from Raiden? I THINK SO. Believe
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/9/2008 10:36:53 PM | message detail | #471 | filter
I think Squall and Sora could be tight for 2nd here. I see Mewtwo as a distant third.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/9/2008 10:37:22 PM | message detail | #472 | filter
Err, fourth rather.
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Lopen | Posted 11/9/2008 10:39:56 PM | message detail | #473 | filter
Yeah, Squall might win. I was convinced he had it in R1, then Sora was like "eat it Squall" in R2. So who knows really.

But I'm thinkin this'll end up as more cred for me and Dp...!
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Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 3 - Dante/Leon/Kirby.
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ZFS | Posted 11/9/2008 10:47:11 PM | message detail | #474 | filter
Another quick one - Cloud takes an easy first, Mewtwo comes in second. I know some people are down on Mewtwo after his showing last round against Midna, but when you stick him in a poll with all this Square, he can't help but thrive. You can even look at the match pics for this and they all ooze Square - Mewtwo is a nice option here for those who want to vote something not Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts. It helps that you've got one fanbase essentially split three ways whereas Mewtwo is the lone Nintendo rep. We've seen this not be enough before, but it's Square SFF vs. Badass Pokemon - give me Mewtwo here.

And Squall should get hit hard. Not even gonna give him a shot at this one. Sora could maybe slip through, but not Squall - 2004 says it all there.

Prediction: Cloud - 43% ; Mewtwo - 21% ; Sora - 19% ; Squall - 17%
Vote: Cloud

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/9/2008 10:56:18 PM | message detail | #475 | filter
It's odd how almost everyone here is predicting Mewtwo to pull off a percentage that's greater than what he pulled in round 2. I mean, this is a much tougher fourpack and Mewtwo flopped pretty badly last round.

Yeah. They are liable to get burned by putting their faith in Mewtwo once too often...
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transience | Posted 11/9/2008 11:00:49 PM | message detail | #476 | filter
what were you all saying?
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Loqutus | Posted 11/9/2008 11:57:46 PM | message detail | #477 | filter
"lol Mewtwo"
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EvilVulcan2 | Posted 11/10/2008 12:06:30 AM | message detail | #478 | filter
well then.
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Tatl | Posted 11/10/2008 12:20:40 AM | message detail | #479 | filter
I think you're all seriously overestimating the power of Midna to hurt Mewtwo.

Or your just underestimating her... She's not fodder. Not a dominator, but not fodder either.
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Bracket: Cloud > Yoshi - Vote: Mewtwo
Ngamer64 | Posted 11/10/2008 12:38:03 AM | message detail | #480 | filter
Ouch! Not a good day to be named Luster! Or Lopen. Or Kleenex. Or Dp. Or Albion. Or Leon.

Long live the (non-Lopen) Crew!

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Lopen | Posted 11/10/2008 1:08:44 AM | message detail | #481 | filter
"whoops"
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Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 3 - Dante/Leon/Kirby.
Target: 48%. Robot LFF/SFF from Raiden? I THINK SO. Believe
YoboD | Posted 11/10/2008 1:09:20 AM | message detail | #482 | filter
Pokemanz scoff at the crew.
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satai_delenn | Posted 11/10/2008 1:09:27 AM | message detail | #483 | filter
Dammit Lopen stop predicting things I want to happen, you're jinxing it...! >_>
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Ngamer64 | Posted 11/10/2008 2:23:01 AM | message detail | #484 | filter
Also, holy junk, look how much we owned up that Snake match!

Match #53 - Mega Man vs Solid Snake vs Weighted Companion Cube vs Zero

MM 23.72% Solid Snake 37.59% W.C. Cube 23.88% Zero 14.81% 47.93

Rank Name Picks Points Bonus

1) Master Moltar MM 23.90% Solid Snake 37.00% W.C. Cube 23.80% Zero 15.30% 49.66 12.41
2) smitelf MM 24.50% Solid Snake 37.50% W.C. Cube 23.00% Zero 15.00% 49.51 9.90
3) Ngamer64 MM 23.24% Solid Snake 38.14% W.C. Cube 23.18% Zero 15.43% 49.41 7.41
4) Leebo86 MM 23.62% Solid Snake 37.01% W.C. Cube 25.20% Zero 14.17% 49.34 4.93
5) yoblazer33 MM 25.00% Solid Snake 37.00% W.C. Cube 24.00% Zero 14.00% 49.30 2.46


Crew represent.

(...well, not the tranny/HM/Lopen part so much.)

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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/10/2008 6:36:47 AM | message detail | #485 | filter
...Do I get credit for being the only one to call Squall > Sora?

Hey, that part of my analysis was correct, at least!
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Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship
Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%)
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 11/10/2008 10:01:14 AM | message detail | delete | #486 | filter
Crono...........31.16% 42837
L-Block..........24.4% 33545
Pikachu.............27% 37113
Alucard........17.43% 23965
TOTAL VOTES.......137460

What Happened - Pikachu...actually saved us? In one of the weirdest matches ever, former champion L-Block loses to Crono...and Pikachu? I'm not complaining though!


Why it Happened - Hmm, this is one tough result to explain. Pikachu looks very good here, coming within 4% of Crono. No clue why he overperformed. Maybe Ike and Captain Falcon were hurting him a good deal...but still this just puts him way too close to Crono. Then there's L-Block, who just collapsed for some reason. Oh well, I guess people just didn't like the joke anymore (but then why couldn't Ryu, who's stronger than Pikachu, beat it?!)


What Will Happen - Samus/Vincent/Crono/Pikachu...Vincent's chances just got a bit better!


Mega Man..........................23.72% 34762
Weighted Companion Cube..23.88% 35000
Solid Snake........................37.59% 55084
Zero...................................14.81% 21706
TOTAL VOTES.............................146552

What Happened - Snake dominates, Mega/Zero split allowing for a weakened Cube to pass.


Why it Happened - Interestingly enough, Mega Man would have advanced here without rallying. Cube was barely able to take advantage of the big split between MM and Zero. Snake just laughs at all the nonsense below him.


What Will Happen - watch out cloud snake comin for ya

Crew Prediction Challenge - Yay no one!

Yoblazer - 34
Ngamer - 32
HM - 32
Moltar - 32
Tran - 30
Guest - 28
Lopen - 25


Crew Accuracy Challenge - Yo gets the point for Crono, War gets the point for L and Pika, and Moltar, Yo and War all get points for Alucard

Yo gets the point for Snake, Ngamer gets the point for MM and Zero, and Lopen gets the point for Cube

Yoblazer - 46
Moltar - 38
Ngamer - 38
HM - 37
Tran - 31
Guest (War (5), KP (2), Dp (2), Justin (2), greatone, Ngirl (2), gamer, satai, Klennex, Luis (2), Scott, Soul (2), Leon (3), Ed, Luster (3), Zylo) - 30
Lopen - 23
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Lopen | Posted 11/10/2008 7:18:15 PM | message detail | #487 | filter
Dammit Lopen stop predicting things I want to happen, you're jinxing it...! >_>

Well if it makes you feel better Dante won't be advancing today...!
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Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 3 - Dante/Leon/Kirby.
Target: 48%. Robot LFF/SFF from Raiden? I THINK SO. Believe
trannyscience | Posted 11/10/2008 7:18:48 PM | message detail | #488 | filter
crap, sent my prediction ten minutes too early
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/10/2008 7:35:53 PM | message detail | #489 | filter
Ouch! Not a good day to be named Luster! Or Lopen. Or Kleenex. Or Dp. Or Albion. Or Leon.

I didn't think Mewtwo would be able to capitalize on a 3-way Square SFF fest here when he couldn't do it with Midna last round. Especially when the other 3 characters would all be able to beat Mewtwo in a 1v1 match.
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trannyscience | Posted 11/10/2008 7:37:49 PM | message detail | #490 | filter
three way Square SFF last round?

I see
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/10/2008 9:14:15 PM | message detail | #491 | filter
three way Square SFF last round?

You misread my post. I meant Mewtwo couldn't even capitalize on the Nintendo SFF last round, so I wasn't expecting him to do the same thing with a 3-way Square SFF fest.
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trannyscience | Posted 11/10/2008 9:19:40 PM | message detail | #492 | filter
what does one have to do with the other?
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edwardsdv | Posted 11/10/2008 10:12:50 PM | message detail | #493 | filter
Prediction: Dante> Kirby

Percentages:

Kirby: 25.5%
Dante: 26.1%
Master Chief: 24.3%
Leon:24.1
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 11/10/2008 10:36:30 PM | message detail | delete | #494 | filter
Moltar's Analysis

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As much as I moan and groan over this bracket, it's managed to redeem itself a little in these later rounds. Tommorrow's match is one of the best yet.

All these guys are strong competitors and you could make a good 1v1 match with any of them. However, these are four-ways, so you have to think about it a bit differently.

Dante would probably school all these guys, but he's not the one who stands out. That is Kirby, and just like last round, I think he'll ride that to first place.

After that it's a mess, so I'll say if Dante can find a way to hurt Leon a bit, he'll take second. If Dante/Leon split, then Chief takes second. I'll bet on the former.

Kirby - 28% :: Chief - 25% :: Dante - 25% :: Leon - 22%



HM's Analysis

Today's match should be crazy. You could have any four of these advancing in any order - Kirby being the most likely to come in first with how different he is from this group. But in all likelihood we'll see Kirby and either Master Chief or Dante advancing. Given what Kirby did last round, and how much he stands out among three 'badass' characters, he should be a near-lock for first place, unless Dante and Leon don't hurt each other at all, in which case maybe they both advance.


With second, it comes down to how much Leon is going to hurt Dante. If last round was any indication, it shouldn't be very much. Dante and Leon both had over 30% of the vote. LFF may be more appparent when there's some real competition to speak of - Riku hardly qualifies - with Kirby/Master Chief, but I'm not banking on it being a whole lot. Not enough to hurt Dante to the point where the Chief wins.


I am gonna give the Chief some credit here by not only keeping him close to Dante, but having him beat Leon. After the way the Chief has performed this year, I'm not too confident in him doing anything, which may mean me underestimating him, but he'll have a chance to prove something today. Granted, it may be hard to tell if Dante/Leon end up killing each other, but if he advances here it'll be impressive in my book.


Other than that, Kirby should take a safe first, with Dante in a tight second.


Prediction: Kirby - 27% ; Dante - 25% ; Master Chief - 24% ; Leon - 24%

Vote: Dante



Yoblazer's Analysis

Woo, tough match. Whoever wins, this will probably go down as the tightest battle of Round 3, so we may be in for something fun. Kirby, Master Chief, Dante, and Leon Kennedy are stepping into the ring pretty evenly match, and as such, I can envision nearly any result from these four.

Individually, from all we've seen over the past few years, the strongest of these four is probably Dante. The guy brings in tons of casual votes with his badass design and appeal, so much so that he may well be the standard for a character being "stronger than the sum of his parts." However, I don't think the casual appeal of his design carries him quite as far in a format where the votes are distributed so thinly. Combine that with his obvious fanbase split with Leon (let's all admit that Dante and RE4 Leon are basically mirror images in terms of their appeal), and I think Dante has an uphill battle ahead of him. Impressively, he may still make it through due to his intrinsic strength, but the cards have not been dealt in his favor here. Like last round, I expect Leon to finish a few percentage points behind his metro buddy, which should put him in last place. go Leon anyway

So, if Dante and Leon impede one another too much and don't grab a large enough piece of the pie (I have trouble picturing them hitting a combined percentage in the high 40s, let alone 50), that spells trouble for both of them. It also means that Master Chief and Kirby will be the ones advancing. Only one question remains! Who wins?
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 11/10/2008 10:37:04 PM | message detail | delete | #495 | filter
If you're going to be basing things exclusively on their last match, then it's Kirby. He didn't win by much, but the pink puffer took the match out of Chief's reach from the get-go. Also, it seems that Kirby is once again isolated as the only Nintendo/kiddie option, so it's hard to argue things looking very promising for Master Chief. While I do admit that Kirby is the favorite, I'm going to side with Chief. Unlike the last round, where Kirby had literally zero measurable overlap with anyone, he may now be suffering some (a very small bit, mind you) with Leon, as they do share consoles. I also expect Chief's core Xbox fanbase to remain a smidgen more static, which opens up an oldass can of worms but hey why not. Since their last match was so close, those factors alone may be enough to turn the tide, and when considering the fact that Chief will have certain someones rallying like crazy on his behalf, I think it makes the big MC a pretty decent upset.

Kirby - 27%
Master Chief - 28%
Dante - 24%
Leon Kennedy - 21%



Lopen's Analysis

Never has so much awesome been packed into one match. And then there's Leon. I'd love to give this one an awesome story, but I just can't bring myself to write fanfiction that ends with Master Chief or Kirby or Dante getting owned, and also I'm low on time. So let's just break it down nice and easy.

Kirby's pretty much a given to advance here. He sticks out as not only the only Nintendo character in this group, but also the only cute character, and the only villain. (Trust me, he is, need I go into his atrocities again)

So then we've got Master Chief, Dante, and Leon vying for the other spot. I think you can throw Leon out of the running here. His only chance is if Dante gets first, really, since him pulling out the rSFF doesn't really make sense to me. So who wins between Master Chief and Dante?

First of all, in the Chief's corner, Albion's going to rally his heart out for Master Chief. Hate on the guy all you want, and think he exaggerates his importance all you want, but it does do a little bit. However, there is the THE DANTE SPARDA!? factor working against that, so I'm pretty much going to throw that out. The GAME FUEL factor is also non-existant this year... I suspect that glutton Kirby drank it all. I should've foresaw this when making my bracket, alas.

In Dante's corner... well, he's got Leon there. Now, I know what you're all thinkin: Leon and Dante debunked the SFF myth last round when they beat Riku to a pulp. Well, technically yes, but I'm thinkin no. I'm thinkin that the lack of diversity in the competition made the SFF hurt less. Hogger was a Jobber, and Riku... well, he's clearly lost a step, and a single midcarder RPG character can only do so much. Now with Master Chief toting a pink vacuum cleaner, the pain between ol Leonidas and Dante is gonna really show.

Now, you may think because I said "Kirby obviously advances" I'm going to have him in first here? Not so. I think MC's going to hold up better against the competition, given the nature of his fanbase. I mean, after all, Master Chief and Kirby were only like... 1% apart last round. The resiliance of Master Chief's fanbase in the face of this stronger competition should allow him to swing the 1% in his favor.

Now the question is... who the hell do I want to vote for here? *head explodes for the second time in this division*

Lopen's prediction:
Master Chief - 28.88%
Kirby - 26.96%
Dante - 25.12%
Leon Kennedy - 19.04%



Transience's Analysis

today's match is just impossible.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 11/10/2008 10:37:56 PM | message detail | delete | #496 | filter
at a glance, Dante is the strongest. Master Chief is probably the most independent. Kirby is the sole Nintendo and stands out like hell amongst three badasses. Leon is the odd one out, but even then, he came damn close to Dante who should be the strongest of the bunch.

how do you decide between them? I'm not really sure. so much for an expert opinion! the first thing to tackle: is there overlap between Leon and Dante? it sure didn't look like it in round 2 - Riku didn't really do any better in proportion to Leon, and it's not like KH bombed this year - Sora easily beat Yoshi despite Squall and is currently fighting with Squall for third. I'll tentatively say that Dante/Leon SFF is false until proven otherwise -- that Pikachu match last year is just weird. the Pika/L match from a few days ago shows that Pokemon is just weird as hell.

now, Master Chief. it's long been whispered that he's nonlinear - overperforms against strong competition, flops against weak ones. if that's the case, Chief could take first place here. I feel like he's good for 25%. that might just be enough to qualify here since 30% could very well be first place. Chief is a weird bastard, that's for sure. he's definitely dropped since last year's Halo 3 high, but he could still be good enough to take out these guys. after all:

Master Chief 24.04% 39515
Dante 15.13% 24880
L-Block 34.63% 56925
Solid Snake 26.2% 43081
TOTAL VOTES 164401

L-Block or not, that's a big win over Dante. that means something, right?

lastly, there's Kirby, a guy who flat out beat Chief last round and stands out even more this round. I think the diversity of the bunch, not to mention Nintendo's chokejob this contest, hurts him a bit.. but those pictures of his stand the hell out. he could really be a home run for first or he could bomb. straight-up I might pick Leon over him, and I think most people will have him in fourth (which isn't a lock, just a safe pick).

I don't know what to do here... Chief > Kirby, I guess, with everyone really damn close here. this match is fascinating.

transience's prediction:

Master Chief - 27.93%
Kirby - 26.21%
Dante - 24.55%
Leon - 21.31%



Ngamer's Analysis

Haha, Mewtwo goes from 17% on Cloud to 23%... still on Cloud! Golly, I gave Midna plenty of credit for holding him down, but even so I didn't see any way for that crazy Pokemon to crack 20%, not with legit competition like Squall and Sora in the picture. I guess this is the ultimate vindication for the "sore thumb" theory... not that anyone should have really doubted it, but still, yikes.

Speaking of sore thumbs, we've got another today! But even better, we've got a great chance to continue that amazing streak of Nintendo overperformances. Can Kirby pull it off?


X-Stats from Round Two

Kirby - 17.86% (based on '07 Big Boss)
Master Chief - 17.53% (based on '07 Big Boss)
Dante - 30.64% (based on '07 Riku)
Leon - 29.17% (based on '07 Riku)

Whoa, BB sure is a whole different character from the guy we saw in '05 and the start of '07. Adjust for that, and this one goes right back to being a four way pick 'em.

Weak as Master Chief has looked, we know for a fact that Dante and Leon are going to be holding each other back at least somewhat. Set them up for a 1v1 tomorrow and I take Dante easy, and I'd even be sure to take him in a "fair" 4 way situation, but as is those two share the same company, same character design, and leave MC free to run unchecked with the Xbox vote. It shouldn't be a blowout, but I see the Chief being able to advance ahead of Team Capcom, though he might need his ASV to do so.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 11/10/2008 10:38:21 PM | message detail | delete | #497 | filter
As for Dante vs Leon, well that's no longer really in question, is it? Mistaaaa Kennedy was fantastic in the opening hours last round but Dante soon righted the ship and proceeded to run away from him for the next 20 hours. REFAQs or not, there's unfortunately just not any reasonable way for Leon not to finish this poll in the basement.

The odd thing is that Leon is going to decide the final result though, in some way. You see much of his strength comes from being the only M-rated major seller from the GameCube's library, and so even though Kirby gets to look all cute and pink against three mature action stars once again, this time around there figures to be at least a little LFF limiting his damage. How much will that matter, though? Probably not a whole ton... Leon beat out Pikachu by 9% back in R2 of last year, after all. Originally I was planning to take MC for the win over Kirby due to the overlap, but with the way Nintendo's been on fire I'm going to back off that "upset" now and continue to support the puffball.

Yeah, so even though all four of these characters are probably very close in natural strength, I don't see any way for this to be the epic 4-way battle "anyone could win!" battle that would be so awesome to watch. It might LOOK like that during the dead of night, but I've got to imagine and MC and Kirby's strong Days will push them through if it comes to that. But if its still pretty close all the way around, we're talking about like... *pots and stirs and spits*

Kirby - 26.17%
Master Chief - 25.75%
Dante - 25.06%
Leon - 23.02%

Looking mighty fine! I guess.

Ngamer Says: Kirby > Master Chief



Guest's Analysis - satai_delenn

It's 7:30 pm and Sora is continuing to ride his ASV…come on Sora, you can do it! Let's see some light, and friends, and all that good stuff! Unlock the votes of your heart…! (Yeah, it's only third place, so what. Quiet, you.)

In the meantime, here comes kind of an interesting four-pack. I'd have called this more of a tossup if Chief hadn't looked a lot lamer this year than he did last year. Indeed, my bracket says Master Chief > Dante. But let's look at last round for a sec. Chief lost to Kirby with Big Boss and Raiden in the poll, and now instead he's got Dante and Leon. Not only would I say that Dante > both Big Boss and Raiden individually, but Leon's certainly stronger than Raiden by a good amount, and is probably stronger than Big Boss too depending on whether we'd be looking at Snake Boss or some other flavor. Besides all which, Dante and Leon won't be doing Chief any favors with the casual vote; all three of them are whores for it (less so Leon, but still) and Chief's shown more weakness this year than Dante has.
Master Moltar (tc) | Posted 11/10/2008 10:38:56 PM | message detail | delete | #498 | filter
So I'm counting Chief out of the running, and Leon was never in it to begin with—if he can't beat Dante alone, he certainly can't do it with Chief along for the ride. Not to mention: remember who was getting all the Nintendo votes in that match last round? This time, Kirby says "Hiiiii!" Suck it down, Kennedy, you slime.

Which leaves Dante and Kirby (insert joke here, yes yes, we'll have heard no end of this in the next twenty four hours I'm sure). Sadly for me, the same thing that hurts Chief here hurts Dante too; he won't be scooping up heaping handfuls of casual/badass/apathy vote with Kennedy and MC around, and Kirby—being the only cheerful, happy Nintendo character here—will be only too glad to take advantage of poor Dante and suck up votes like the malicious vacuum cleaner of hate that he is.

Still, I don't think we'll really see any major blowouts here or anything. All three of these non-Kirby guys are pretty strong in their own right, and they don't truly overlap enough for any of them to collapse entirely or beat each other to pulps.

satai's vote: Dante, natch.
satai's prediction: Kirby > Dante…curse that foul pink demon of
the underworld!
Kirby - 28.45%
Master Chief - 23.24%
Dante - 26.71%
Leon Kennedy - 21.6%



Crew Consensus: uh i'm busy read them for yourselves
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 11/10/2008 10:39:10 PM | message detail | #499 | filter
Looks mighty fine for a...
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 11/10/2008 10:39:16 PM | message detail | #500 | filter
Chief victory!
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