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Lopen | Posted 9/19/2008 10:32:24 PM | message detail
Wow... everyone (cept for DP) picked Marth!?

I will say that I actually have Kefka in my bracket here... for some reason I thought he was going to get the angel pic. Though I still think Kefka has reasonable upset potential in this match to humiliate the crew again, even without the angel pic. Also, after Zidane and Zack today you'd think some SQUAREFEAR might take the crew?
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/19/2008 10:50:18 PM | message detail
Ha hahahahaha! Almost everyone picked Shadow to win, and that means only one thing....

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th3l3fty | Posted 9/19/2008 10:54:34 PM | message detail
Consistency Ratings'll be up in a few hours!
thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny
I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris
ZFS | Posted 9/19/2008 10:56:49 PM | message detail
i was going to resend my analysis for this match but it's friday night and i wasn't going to do it

(p.s. -- kefka is winning this !)

let's mosey
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/19/2008 11:35:34 PM | message detail
...Good job at calling Duke, analysis crew!

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transience | Posted 9/19/2008 11:36:05 PM | message detail
we rule this year
"Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai
Master Moltar | Posted 9/19/2008 11:39:07 PM | message detail
actually i have a possible explanation for all of this but you'll have to wait until a certain division 6 match analysis
Moltar Status: augh
Duke/Kefka/Marth/Niko - Bracket: Marth > Niko - Vote: Marth (4/8)
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 9/19/2008 11:43:41 PM | message detail
LOL @ crew for not having faith in The Duke
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RaeSaraneth | Posted 9/20/2008 1:57:28 AM | message detail
Ahaha, I'm excited because my bracket for this match is right, and yours weren't :P Anyway, I'm over the initial excitement of that.. (since none of my other ones have been completely right yet).
And I have no idea what my logic was in setting it at Marth>Duke, but I think I was thinking something along the lines of Melee/Brawl>Jokes about Duke Nukem Forever and the ventrilo harassment videos. I only heard not so great things about GTA4, so I thought, why would Niko even have a shot? And then Kefka, well Kefka's falling right where he was supposed to go (and better stay there, because Duke's lead is pretty small) I'd love to do a real analysis but I'm afraid I'm simply too uninformed about half the characters, but for now I'm a (lucky with this match) zelda fangirl.
ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/20/2008 2:11:42 AM | message detail
balls of steel, etc.

Arsenal FC 3-0-1 Pts: 9 Pos: 3rd
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transience | Posted 9/20/2008 2:15:36 AM | message detail
aww yeah for your bracket

aww naw for mine (though I expect Niko to beat Kefka)
"Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai
Ngamer64 | Posted 9/20/2008 3:10:30 AM | message detail
Ngamer, those FAQ numbers aren't exactly fair because they're split between the two versions of GTA4. make it exclusive and it'd do a lot better.

Hey, don't just call me out- yo pointed to the 26th place positioning as well! You're right of course, 360 is 26th and PS3 version is 37th, but even if you combined them I doubt that would be enough viewers to boost the game into the Top Ten. And could you have ever imagined SA or VC or 3 (once it caught fire) being outside the Top Ten for any amount of time? I mean look at the kind of FAQ pedigree this series had back in the day:

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He isn't a killer. He just wins - thoroughly.
transience | Posted 9/20/2008 3:13:02 AM | message detail
yeah, I remember. SA was on top of the charts for what felt like years.
"Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai
RaeSaraneth | Posted 9/20/2008 10:00:38 AM | message detail
Oh no, Duke is catching up 0_0 You stay back there, sir.
We highly underestimated him, lol.
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 10:02:28 AM | message detail
Did ANYONE pick Duke to get more than 4th place?


One guy. Woooo.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/20/2008 10:13:04 AM | message detail
After last year, I was kinda afraid Duke would do this again because it's not exactly like this fourpack packs a lot of strength.

Makes me think a lot more highly of Ike though!
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ZhangJunyi | Posted 9/20/2008 10:20:56 AM | message detail
I just can't believe you guys didn't have any faith in Duke to win. In weak fourpacks, he can pull it off. As evidenced by last year. I don't get that he wasn't even considered in the runnings.

Kefka always does worse than you think he will, and Niko is from the least liked GTA game and the least liked of the post-GTA3 protagonists. Duke always has a strong following in these contests. He's just always paired up against characters that will whoop him.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 10:22:25 AM | message detail
The argument was that Duke completely bombed in his 2nd Round Match last year, so he figured that with more high profile characters he wouldn't be as popular. Main character of GTA and an SSB character seemed enough to weaken him.

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:42:46 AM | message detail
Hahaha, Analysis Crew is sucking it this year.
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 9/20/2008 10:43:36 AM | message detail

M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/20/2008 9:42:46 AM (#169)
Hahaha, everybody is sucking it this year.

with the voting pictures out now, I am certian Marth has no chance. Kefka > Niko -mas369 XD
Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2008 11:21:39 AM | message detail
Link.......................................60.72% 82662
Luke fon Fabre........................6.12% 8333
Shadow the Hedgehog.....15.47% 21054
Zidane Tribal.......................17.69% 24085
TOTAL VOTES.................................136134

What Happened - Link jumped ahead at the start, but Zidane also started out rather well too, while Shadow was in third. Some thought the day would allow for Shadow to come back, but thanks to a strong night performance from Zidane, too much damage was already done. Shadow and Link chomped at Zidane's percentage, but he already had second locked up. Link also dominates everyone...but not to the degree most people expected.

Why it Happened - There are a few possible explanations before someone jumps to "Square boost Nintendo falling". One is Link/Shadow SFF, since we know Nintendo and Sega share a very similiar fanbase. I don't see Shadow losing in a 1v1 match to Zidane. Thing is, if Link benefited from SFF, is 60% really the best he could do? He's looked unstoppable in these kind of matches before. Maybe we set our sights too high for him and underestimated Zidane and Shadow in the process.

Also, Shadow's final percentage isn't that surprising, the shocking thing here is how well Zidane held up. 19% in Alucard/Liquid/Ness to nearly 18% in Link/Shadow/Luke? That's why most of us took Shadow over Zidane. None of us expected him to hold up so well here. So between Link hurting Shadow a bit worse than expected, and Zidane holding up better than we thought, that may explain the Crew's bad pick.

What Will Happen - With Link/Zidane in Round 2, Zack looks to have a free pass to the division finals. Wario will get crushed, and now the question is whether or not you think Zack will lose to, match, or beat Zidane's numbers with Link in the poll. Of course, there's the possibility of Zidane/Zack SFF as well.

Crew Prediction Challenge - One of the few times when you'll see the Guest embarrass the Crew, I promise you!

Guest (KP) - 1
HM - 1
Moltar - 0
Yoblazer - 0
Lopen - 0
Tran - 0
Ngamer - 0

Crew Accuracy Challenge - Ngamer had the lowest Link pick, KP was the closest to Shadow and Zidane, and Lopen had the highest Luke pick.

Guest (War, KP (2)) - 3
Lopen - 2
HM - 2
Yoblazer - 1
Ngamer - 1
Moltar - 0
Tran - 0

Moltar Status: augh
Duke/Kefka/Marth/Niko - Bracket: Marth > Niko - Vote: Marth (4/8)
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 12:23:55 PM | message detail
Aw yeah Guests

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Chaotic Mind | Posted 9/20/2008 12:59:13 PM | message detail
Why does the crew think the winners of this match automatically advance to round 3? Lucario's got smashfear on his side just like Marth, and he's a pokemon to boot. Altair may be untested, but with Marth and Lucario SFFing each other i think he's got a chance to advance, depending on how well he holds up against The Duke.
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th3l3fty | Posted 9/20/2008 1:03:49 PM | message detail
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th3l3fty | Posted 9/20/2008 1:05:00 PM | message detail
Cecil Harvey vs. Jade Curtiss vs. Wario vs. Zack Fair
First Place
+7 HM
+6 Ngamer
+5 Yo
+4 Moltar
+3 tranny
+0 Lopen
+0 Guest

Second Place
+7 HM
+6 Guest
+5 Ngamer
+4 Lopen
+3 tranny
+2 Moltar (tie)
+2 Yo (tie)

Link vs. Luke fon Fabre vs. Shadow the Hedgehog vs. Zidane Tribal
First Place
+7 Ngamer
+6 tranny
+5 Guest
+4 Lopen
+3 Moltar (tie)
+3 HM (tie)
+1 Yo

Second Place
+7 Guest
+0 Moltar
+0 HM
+0 Yo
+0 Lopen
+0 tranny
+0 Ngamer

Overall Rankings
1. Board 8 (18)
1. Ngamer (18)
3. Heroic Mario (17)
4. transience (12)
5. Master Moltar (9)
6. Lopen (8)
6. yoblazer (8)

Thanks to being the only one to choose Zidane, Board 8 is tied at the top with Ngamer and his consistently good picks.
thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny
I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/20/2008 1:12:20 PM | message detail
sup Lopen
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Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world!
transience | Posted 9/20/2008 1:22:07 PM | message detail
Why does the crew think the winners of this match automatically advance to round 3? Lucario's got smashfear on his side just like Marth, and he's a pokemon to boot. Altair may be untested, but with Marth and Lucario SFFing each other i think he's got a chance to advance, depending on how well he holds up against The Duke.

well, when you consider Duke is inches away from Marth and will have another Brawl character to fight for votes, I'd say it's likely that Duke outplaces Marth. the only question there is Altair, assuming he wins. he is very much untested so people err on the side of bubble gum.
"Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai
Tatl | Posted 9/20/2008 1:31:52 PM | message detail
Why does the crew think the winners of this match automatically advance to round 3? Lucario's got smashfear on his side just like Marth, and he's a pokemon to boot. Altair may be untested, but with Marth and Lucario SFFing each other i think he's got a chance to advance, depending on how well he holds up against The Duke.

well, when you consider Duke is inches away from Marth and will have another Brawl character to fight for votes, I'd say it's likely that Duke outplaces Marth. the only question there is Altair, assuming he wins. he is very much untested so people err on the side of bubble gum.

And then, reguardless of who advances to round 3, Link/Zack will crush them all.
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Lopen | Posted 9/20/2008 1:41:13 PM | message detail
Hey, yo. Who needs consistency, this division is out of order! (Go me for not having Duke in last...! <_< )
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2008 2:18:02 PM | message detail
well, when you consider Duke is inches away from Marth and will have another Brawl character to fight for votes, I'd say it's likely that Duke outplaces Marth. the only question there is Altair, assuming he wins. he is very much untested so people err on the side of bubble gum.

This. I'm pretty sure everyone here has Lucario taking first next round, and we expected this match to be close enough so that the person who took second here would benefit enough from the Lucario/Marth split to take second in Round 2. Plus, no one here trusts Altair to be strong at all, and at this point, I'm half-expecting Isaac to put up a good fight against him.
Moltar Status: augh
Duke/Kefka/Marth/Niko - Bracket: Marth > Niko - Vote: Marth (4/8)
Chaotic Mind | Posted 9/20/2008 3:45:11 PM | message detail
Okay i misunderstood. I thought you guys were saying both Marth and Duke were sure to advance. Lucario>Duke makes much more sense.
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NotTerrafire | Posted 9/20/2008 6:50:54 PM | message detail
Moltar, writing analysis for next match now. Half an hour at most. Just posting this 'cause I'm not 100% what the deadline is.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2008 9:00:59 PM | message detail
I'm going to need percentages that you think each character will get too.
Moltar Status: augh
Duke/Kefka/Marth/Niko - Bracket: Marth > Niko - Vote: Marth (4/8)
Ngamer64 | Posted 9/20/2008 9:05:12 PM | message detail
That Ngamer Consistency will be the death of you

...r hopes of winning this prediction challenge.

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NotTerrafire | Posted 9/20/2008 9:10:00 PM | message detail
Damn, percentages give so much more room for error. Still, there shouldn't be an upset here.
although that has been said about other matches!
Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2008 9:12:59 PM | message detail
Division 1: Round 1 - Match 4 – Altair vs. Guybrush Threepwood vs. Isaac vs. Lucario

Moltar’s Analysis

Game/Series Known From: Assassin’s Creed
2007 Results: N/A

The Guru Winner’s Pick makes his first contest appearance (darn you ec)

Game/Series Known From: Monkey Island
2007 Results: 4th Place in Round 1 vs. Duke, Gordon and Ike

People, just stop nominating him. He’s suffered enough.

Game/Series Known From: Golden Sun
2007 Results: 3rd Place in Round 1 vs. Pikachu, Tidus and Serge

Another 3rd Place Round 1 exit for Isaac?

Game/Series Known From: Pokemon
2007 Results: N/A

Brawl Character #4, Did somebody say Pokemon? Oh boy…

And the sad, sad division of Round 1 comes to an end. Brackets are weeping, users are crying, and everything is just ugly. Plus, aside from Link, this division is just one big pile of bleh and low-midcarders. This group is no exception, as we have 4th place Guybrush here to be the period at the end of this statement.

We saw how Pokemon did last year, and pretty much all of them did great. Mewtwo looked good in his match. Pikachu, who I thought was still cool to hate, got to Round 4. Even jokes like Mudkip and Bidoof got to Round 2. Now we have Lucario, who is not only one of the most popular new-gen Pokemon, but also is a character in Brawl. Those two things alone should propel him over this pitiful bunch.

Then there’s Altair, and really, who cares about him? Assassin’s Creed didn’t get the best reception on the site, and I see no reason to think Altair will be strong at all. His biggest challenge is Isaac of Golden Sun. At this point, I wouldn’t count out the upset, but I’m not expecting it. Even if you think Pikachu made Isaac look bad last year, Lucario being here won’t do him any favors.

Altair is going to be weak, but fortunately for him, his competition is also poop, so he should be able to get to Round 2. (Lucario > Isaac confirmed)

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Lucario > Altair

Moltar’s Prediction is: Lucario: 38% - Altair: 30% - Isaac: 20% - Guybrush: 12%

Heroic Mario’s Analysis

Worst match in the bracket? Maybe. Check out the contestants here - fodder, super fodder, super fodder, damn you brawl kids stop doing this

The two winners are pretty obvious in this one - Altair and Lucario. But deciding the order is where things get tricky. Lucario's here entirely on the back of Brawl, which I'm pretty unfamiliar with but he's supposedly like Mewtwo in the "cool" factor (protip: Google Image Searching "Lucario" is baaaad news holy damn what is wrong with the internet). The thing is, Altair's from a game that probably doesn't hit the GameFAQs demographic all that well. Still, Assassin's Creed was a huge seller - 6 million worldwide - was multiplatform, and reviewed well enough. Add to that Altair has a cool look and he's got the potential. The only problem with Altair is that we've seen the Prince in action before to less than spectacular results, so he's probably not the best choice.

It'll be a close match either way, but on principle (goddamn you deviantart) I'm sticking with Altair. If I had a case of BRAWLFEAR, I might go with Lucario, who's no doubt the safer choice, but...nah. As for Isaac and Guybrush, there's not much to say there. Both should warrant a big "who" from most voters. Isaac probably less so, but he was bad enough last year with Pikachu in the poll. Lucario should ensure he doesn't make much noise.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2008 9:13:31 PM | message detail
p.s. - did i mention that altair's outfit is an unlockable in mgs4 you know what that means boost woo woo all aboard the metal gear hype train who's with me

Prediction: Altair - 37% ; Lucario - 35% ; Isaac - 15% ; Guybrush - 13%
Bracket: Altair > Lucario

Yoblazer’s Analysis

Three matches, three surprising results. This bracket is already earning its pre-contest title of Toughest ****ing Thing Ever, and we're still days away from the joke characters! Luckily for us, and because too much chaos in too short a time can be a bad thing, I think we're in for a fairly predictable match today. I say this, however, with all the trepidation of a wide-eyed soldier who thinks he's crossed the mine field. But a match between two relatively obscure RPG characters, a popular BRAWL-E-MON, and a cool looking piece of casual bait can't be THAT hard, can it? Let's tackle this thing in a way the current contest hero and the guy who kicked my bracket in the nuts, Duke Nukem, would be proud.

Our standout for the day is clearly Lucario, the popular new-age Pokemon and Brawl competitor. Lucario has been dealt all the cards. He's the only Nintendo option (not counting Isaac lalalalala I am not listening), he, like Marth, is a likable Nintendo option, and he has solid Pokemon cred to back up his Smash appeal. These factors should make him stronger than Marth himself, and he's up against competition that will be significantly weaker than the guys Marth is beating as we speak. This implies that Lucario will rock face tonight, and yeah, I'd be dumbfounded if he didn't cruise to an easy victory.

His opponents are Altair from last year's Assassin's Creed, Isaac from the Golden Sun series, and Monkey Island's main dude, Guybrush Threepwood (love typing that name). Guybrush, that lovable rapscallion, is arguably the weakest regularly returning entrant in contest history. He has never avoided a blowout loss, and today will be no different. Keep fighting the good fight, Guybrush!

Up until the last day or so, Altair finishing in the runner-up spot was an unchallenged fact. Amidst the craziest non-joke division in the bracket, this match was the lone certainty. However, the last few upsets have caused some people to wonder. Could Isaac, the handheld RPG star who has never amounted to anything in a previous contest, topple Altair, an unknown newcomer?

My short answer is "no." I'm not expecting Altair to be anything special, but I am expecting him to be relatively comparable to Niko Bellic, which should be enough to clean up second place here. Assassin's Creed, while not as critically acclaimed as many would have hoped, was still one of the most hyped, most advertised, best selling games of 2007, and Altair had his image plastered all over it. While the game's less-than-stellar reception may hurt the hooded assassin, his wicked cool design and photogenic look (seriously, I just said "hooded assassin") will help him. Isaac's Golden Sun fanbase simply won't allow him to threaten here.

Lucario - 37%
Altair - 30%
Isaac - 21%
Guybrush Threepwood - 12%

Lopen’s Analysis

Alright, I'm not going to waste your time here by talking about the other two. Screw em. I wish it was Jade Curtiss and Jade Curtiss there... at least that'd be funny. Well, to be fair, Isaac is garden variety fodder, whereas Guybrush... you'd think Guybrush fans would stop nominating him as a form of mercy killing at this point. It's one thing to be fodder, it's another to be Guybrush. For instance... I love Zelos, but man, I didn't even bother nominating him this year after that sad sad showing last year.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2008 9:14:09 PM | message detail
Anyway, rant aside... Pokemanz and Brawl vs some jackass assassin with a creed that says repetitive missions and overly cliffhangery endings are good! Good pick on this one, EC... well at least he's not Wario. In fact, I kinda like the guy, I was just being mean. I don't really think he has a chance, because Assassin's Creed got a really lukewarm reception. But hey, he looks really cool. He's got my vote, at least. ... but Lucario should wreck him, I think.

Why hasn't Nariko made it into this contest yet? She'd be a better current gen character than Altair or the Nathan brothers dammit. ... I'm talking about the Heavenly Sword chick. ... what?

BOLD PREDICTION: All characters defeated by Altair this year remain gone forever! Do your damn job, Assassin. Guybrush wanted some coin. I heard him.

Lopen's prediction:
Lucario - 37.04%
Altair - 30.95%
Isaac - 20.02%
Jade Curtiss >> You - 11.99%

Transience’s Analysis

I'm scared at picking anything at this point since it's clearly going to lose. but I march on for your amusement!

this match seems completely obvious as far as who's going to advance. Guybrush, as much as I love the guy, is no good. he's going to get the 10% that he always gets, get the awesome picture that he always gets, and then leave us without a Threepwood for another year. Isaac just isn't very strong unless you buy that Pikachu hurt him last year, and even if he did, Lucario's there to pick up the tab this year.

this leaves us with the overwhelming favourites to advance, Lucario and Altair. Lucario is the favourite because he's new and exciting - he's basically the new Mewtwo, and he's in Brawl, which means he's guaranteed to be over the fodder line. it's Altair that's the question mark - his game wasn't universally praised, but it also didn't bomb - the sales numbers for the thing are crazy. 1.16m on the PS3, 2.56m on the 360 - that's more than Brawl is at right now. I haven't played AC, but Altair seems pretty liked with a likable design. it was good enough for Kojima, apparently, as they dressed Snake up like Altair for a trailer. Assassin's Creed was highly anticipated by GameFAQs, too, so you can throw the "oh, GameFAQs doesn't care about this game" argument:

Poll 2929 (11/08/07)
Which scheduled November console release are you most looking forward to?

30741 28.66% Assassin's Creed
1784 1.66% Kane & Lynch: Dead Men
13316 12.41% Mass Effect
10285 9.59% Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
8245 7.69% Rock Band
36840 34.35% Super Mario Galaxy
1399 1.3% TimeShift
4654 4.34% WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2008


if you spend enough time swimming through the numbers, you can convince yourself that Altair's gonna be pretty good. I'm pretty skeptical given the lukewarm reception the game got and how it seemed to die off after it came out (what's up Niko), but I wouldn't be amazed if he pulled off first here. I get this odd feeling that he's like a weaker version of the Prince of Persia, and POP would go about even with a random Brawl character. Lucario is a random Brawl character, but he's also got that Pokemon thing goin' on, meaning he's worth more. I've got a lot of reservations about the dude, but I trust Brawl more than I trust Assassin's Creed, that's for sure.

Pokemon, do bad?
not in a four-way contest
Altair gets second

transience's prediction: Lucario with 36.48%, Altair with 31.55%, Isaac with 21.98%, Guybrush with 9.99%
Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2008 9:14:39 PM | message detail
Ngamer’s Analysis

Haha! Well after that 0/2 start I was pretty much sure we'd be moving to 0/3, given how nutzo that last 4 pack was. And for the first time all Contest I was right! The good news is, now we're moving on to one of the 11 R1 matches that I did go ahead and call a lock in my initial bracket analysis. Does that really mean anything though, with how badly these results have been making us all (I mean Guru, Oracle, BOP, AND Crew) look like fools?

Let's take a closer look, see if we can get any answers!

Last Known Values
Lucario - new
Altair - new
Isaac - 14.20% (2007)
Guybrush - 9.12% (2007)

First of all, congrats to the Gurus for banding together and earning Altair such a winnable bracket positioning. That being said... I have almost 0 faith in the guy's actual popularity. Sure, he looks cool in the match pic, but people moved on from AC so quickly after those strong initial sales that I can't see any character having much of a lasting impact. I gave some serious thought to the Isaac upset here, but then I thought that maybe Pikachu hurt him with the Nintendo RPG handheld vote in '07, and if so, Lucario ought to be able to hold him back in a similar way here.

Speaking of Lucario, boy, what an unknown. I hear some people saying he's like the face of the new Pokemon generation, but then others say he can't compare to Mewtwo in terms of being the "ultimate Pokemon" or whatever. And in any case I didn't hear people going too wild when he was announced for Brawl- the only reaction I remember was people upset that Mewtwo had been booted. But look, we're talking GameFAQs 4-ways, where even Bidoof is somehow worth 21% on BL- unless I'm 100% off about Altair, Luc's not going to need to be worth much of anything to run away with this.

Isaac was worth 14 last season, but as I mentioned that might be unfair... the poor guy was on the bottom of a 4-way RPG totem pole, plus Pikachu potentially hurt him by being a Nintendo handheld draw. He's probably a good bit closer to the fodder line than that performance indicated. As for Guybrush, well, it seems pretty certain that he really IS that weak, and the only question is why 200 people continue to nominate a guy who's proven himself to be 10% on BL three times now. Seriously, we can do better!

In summary I still feel this one is a lock, but only because I have an enormous lack of respect for Altair, and just barely enough respect for Lucario's Nintendo presence to keep Isaac out of the running. So if we assign Luc a midrange Pokemon value and Altair something a bit under Marcus from last year, we can stir the pot and find...

Lucario - 36.41%
Altair - 27.90%
Isaac - 24.00%
Guybrush Threepwood - 11.69%

Hm... seems just about right.

Ngamer Says: Lucario > Altair

Guest’s Analysis - NotTerrafire

Those of you staggering into this match after taking three consecutive beatings; those of you who knew even FFVII fans don't support characters seen solely in flashbacks; those who like your Compilation of FFVII out of sight and out of mind; those who knew Final Fantasy IX was a relatively poorly-selling end-of-shelf-life game; those who were sure that if the old-school gamers would rally round any standard, it would be Kefka's: fear not. This is how you will lose your next four points.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2008 9:15:56 PM | message detail
Altair vs Isaac vs Guybrush vs Lucario

In all likelihood, you won't be losing your points. The sensible pick is also the overwhelming favourite. Firstly, we can discount Guybrush, much as it pains me. Whether GameFAQers appreciate his particular brand of daring and humour is a moot point; they haven't had a chance to experience it for years. From the occasion when he was thrashed by Ryo Hazuki (subsequently beaten by the 'mighty' Lara Croft) to the first round of last year when he might as well have stayed at home, it's a cliché nobody bothers saying: Guybrush Threepwood Never Wins.

Let's look at Golden Sun hero Isaac next. An Assist trophy in Brawl, Isaac might have been able to count on a portion of that substantial fanbase. However, there's a large Pokemon shaped obstacle in the way there. There is another Brawl character in this round, this one actually playable, so we can, for all intents and purposes, discount Brawlfear here. Now anyone thinking Golden Sun will carry Isaac through here is optimistic at best, maybe misguided, maybe short of a few. Isaac stays here.

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I'm quite prepared to believe the theory that in this video gaming generation there is a divide of sorts between those who have Nintendo hardware, be it Wii or DS, and those who go for Microsoft and Sony. We have a couple of choices in this round for those of the big N persuasion, but it's a fact that there are many gamers who neither have a Nintendo console nor like their aesthetic. Essentially, Assassin's Creed, and by extension Altair, has their vote. I'm not suggesting Altair is a particularly well-liked character - I'm not expecting him to go further than Round 2 - but the lopsided nature of this match means he wins second place. Explicit Content, see what thou hast wrought.

Which brings us to the victor, Lucario. Two fanbases that anyone should be wary of come together here: Smash Bros. and Pokémon. Lucario could conceivably draw anti-votes for replacing good old Mewtwo, but those diehards will be an insignificant factor. This will be a walk in the park; a statement of intent; an indication of what to expect. Lucario onwards and upwards.

Which probably brings you to the conclusion that you have wasted minutes of your life seeing the obvious being spelt out. Correct. Take four points for your trouble.

Lucario > Altair ( > Isaac > Guybrush)

Lucario 43%
Altair 28%
Isaac 19%
Guybrush 10%

Crew Consensus: Isaac > Guybrush confirmed with our luck. C'mon Lucario and Altair!
DpObliVion | Posted 9/20/2008 9:25:29 PM | message detail
DpOblivion's Unofficial Quick Analysis:

Damn, I just keep getting worse every day....can my luck finally turn around?!

Of course, I was a bit worried that I was making this pick too much based on bias. First of all, props to EC for picking Altair to be nominated by the gurus. Second, props to Bacon for putting him in a winnable match!

Typically, I would expect a character like Altair to fail hard here. Look at how much Niko is failing, and his game is much bigger and highly acclaimed, and he's probably a better character, as opposed to Altair who's game was met with mixed reviews

However....he only has to beat Isaac and Guybrush. Golden Sun and Monkey Island. If there's one thing we've learned over the years, it's that niche series' like that (I know I'm forgetting the more proper term) fail more than anything. And especially with the front runner being a newer Pokemon, there's no way Altair doesn't ride the sales numbers of Assassin's Creed into the 2nd round.

Dp's bracket says: Altair

Dp's prediction is: Altair

Lucario - 41%
Altair - 30%
Isaac - 19%
Guybrush - 23%

(Ugh, it drives me crazy how the crew members usually tend to have such similar percentages.)

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NotTerrafire | Posted 9/20/2008 9:30:42 PM | message detail

DpObliVion | Posted 9/21/2008 3:25:29 AM (#191)
(Ugh, it drives me crazy how the crew members usually tend to have such similar percentages.)

My percentages were plucked out of thin air in about twenty seconds, which is why they're cool and individual. crew = clique confirmed
Link The Hylian | Posted 9/20/2008 9:32:25 PM | message detail
When are you guys going to learn to stop picking Kefka? Every year everyone thinks that this year will be the year he finally does something and every year he disappoints.

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Lopen | Posted 9/20/2008 9:32:43 PM | message detail
I disagree that my %ages are usually in line with the crew! ... cept for today.

Altair > Isaac by the way, that's what we're in store for. Actually, in all seriousness, I do have this feeling that it's going to be Altair > Lucario, just because of all of this bad mojo in the air.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 9/20/2008 9:33:46 PM | message detail
once again ed bellis picks against the crew (isaac for 2nd babee)

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Lopen | Posted 9/20/2008 9:34:23 PM | message detail
Just for the record I pick against Kefka more often than not.

And damn I'm tired of people saying that when the alternative is Duke Nukem.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 9:35:34 PM | message detail

Lopen | Posted 9/20/2008 9:36:20 PM | message detail
Well all things considered with the pic Niko was probably an even dumber pick than Kefka.
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DpObliVion | Posted 9/20/2008 9:36:33 PM | message detail
By the way, Lopen, Nathan Drake > Nariko, and it's a great disrespect to even think about comparing him to Nathan Hale!

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NotTerrafire | Posted 9/20/2008 9:37:19 PM | message detail

Lopen | Posted 9/21/2008 3:36:20 AM (#198)
Well all things considered with the pic Niko was probably an even dumber pick than Kefka.

I thought this pic was considered a good Niko pic?