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Spring 2006 Contest Analysis Crew
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| Master Moltar | Posted 7/4/2006 12:02:21 PM | message detail | #201 |
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Suikoden...........................27.39% 28018 Mega Man X................72.61% 74270 TOTAL VOTES............102288 77.84% of the brackets predicted this match correctly. MM once again proves that it just can't get a good backing from the brackets. MMX easily takes care of Suikoden, though most of us expected a bigger blowout. This still works though. Today, Pokemon is surprising us big time. Most of us saw both as weak series at GameFAQs, but Pokemon is doubling Star Ocean. GG Soul! That'll teach the rest of us to buy into HM's words! HaRRich - 1 Ulti - 1 Moltar - 0 Soul - 0 Leon - 0 HM - 0 Yoblazer - 0 Mnm - 0 Lopen - 0 It was close, but HaRRich gets it by a hair. --- Moltar Status: Excited, the Contest is here at last! Pokemon vs. Star Ocean - Bracket: Pokemon - Vote: Pokemon (2/2) |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 7/4/2006 12:09:57 PM | message detail | #202 |
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Not quite a doubling yet. 66.52 =/= 66.66 ^_~ --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz Beef Jerky, Catgirls, DESU DESU DESU! O_o |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 7/4/2006 2:47:41 PM | message detail | #203 |
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If Star Ocean can bring Pokemon down to 65%, I'll be extremely ecstatic. --- - "ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune ^5 SOWL IMHO - Explicit Content |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/4/2006 8:24:33 PM | message detail | #204 |
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Where's Moltar? --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/4/2006 9:21:30 PM | message detail | #205 |
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Hyrule Division: Round 1 - Match 4 – (2)Metroid vs. (7)Kirby Moltar’s Analysis Metroid Another Nintendo staple is the Metroid series. Though it is not as known than the Mario or Zelda series, it’s still very popular and well liked in the Nintendo community. Metroid Prime: Hunters is the latest on the DS. Kirby The Puffball who’ll send your attacks Right Back at Ya!! is here. Canvas Curse was released last year on the DS, and for a while it was the Killer App for the handheld. I love Kirby. I love him like a mother loves her child. I also love Samus (no, not like that…or maybe it is!), so this match won’t be fun to watch. Kirby does well in the Summer Contests, but Samus does better. Also, I believe Kirby is more liked than his games, so the series won’t wind up doing as well as him. There aren’t any really strong individual Kirby games. Two that you could make a case for are Kirby SuperStar and Kirby: Canvas Curse, but neither stand up to Metroid Prime alone, much less the rest of the Metroid series. Metroid should have this match easily. Hopefully there isn’t much SFF though, I’d hate to see Kirby end up like garbage in the stats…So how about some random Kirby art! (>^_^)><(^_^<) <(^.^)>^(^_^)^ (>-_-)>={XXXX}=====> <//////////////[xxx]=<(*_*<) (b^_^)b Moltar’s Bracket Says: Metroid will win. Moltar’s Prediction is: Metroid: 68% - Kirby: 32% Ulti’s Analysis Someone in the stats topic asked before the bracket if Kirby could rSFF Samus enough to win. lol foreshadowing. Anyway, though the match seems fairly obvious, Samus is ALWAYS on the ass end of SFF in Nintendo matches. In matches where she should be SFFing the competition, she gets nothing. For this reason, I think Metroid is going to have a lot of problems in this match. I doubt Kirby can actually win, but I doubt his series will get SFFd out of the poll, either. I'm almost willing to bet that Kirby scores some rSFF in the match, akin to his match with Bowser last year. This could be far closer than people are making it out to be. Prediction: Metroid with 52.13% Soul’s Analysis I'm predicting this will be the closest match of this entire division. Metroid is a pretty big series for Nintendo. Kirby is a smaller series that is loved by mostly all. There is a rabid Kirby fanbase on Board 8. Kirby probably boosted the most for Nintendo during the Summer Contest. Kirby packs a punch, that's for sure. Will it be enough to defeat Metroid? No. Metroid is probably Nintendo's fourth biggest series right now (Behind LoZ, SMB and SSB). Samus is a hell of a lot stronger then Kirby is. Plus, Kirby gets most of his/her strength from SSB/SSBM. Well, the SSB series is not here to help Kirby in this match. But still, the Kirby name alone will get a few votes from the site. Metroid will win this one. And quite easily, I might add. But it's sad that this will probably be the closest match of the division, even with the added SFF, if any. My Prediction: Metroid wins with 61.46% of the vote. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/4/2006 9:22:06 PM | message detail | #206 |
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Leon’s Analysis Well, it didn’t take long for us to reach an SFF affair in this bracket. Well, I suppose I should say that it could possibly be an SFF affair. However, Samus and Metroid have displayed difficulty in the past in applying SFF to its opponents. In this contest, Metroid will have perhaps two chances to pull off SFF successfully against an opponent before the Legend of Zelda pulls it aside and says, “THIS is how SFF works!” Before the bracket was released, I said that Metroid was one series that was most likely to be overrated by Board 8. However, it has a relatively easy path, and a loss to either of its opponents would be a huge upset indeed. Metroid’s first victim is the Kirby series. Now the pink puffball has proven to be a very popular character in Character Contests, but we have never seen one of his games perform. The only problem is that he doesn’t exactly have any smash hits on his resume, other than MAYBE Kirby SuperStar. He also hasn’t really had a big release since then, unless you want to count Canvas Curse. I don’t know how well it sold, so I can’t vouch for that. Either way, the odds of Kirby’s series being as popular as he is are slim at best. Where DOES all of his popularity come from anyway? He might be the only character who is that strong without a really popular title. Then again, perhaps Kirby will impress me. I think it can manage to avoid SFF against Metroid, though it probably won’t be that strong in the first place. If it breaks 40% in this match, I will be impressed. Leonhart’s Prediction: Metroid with 64.48% HM’s Analysis We round out the Hyrule Division with another blowout, and this one being our first SFF match-up of the entire bracket. I have to say that I’m not ever a fan of SFF matches unless some potential rSFF can occur that could make a match closer or make an upset possible. Something like this is just boring and dull, even for a typical blowout match. In fact, most of the Hyrule Division could be summed up like that “dull.” It has one match that is getting some debate and that’s Pokemon/Star Ocean. In order to avoid a lot of filler for this analysis I’ll make it quick. We have seen the Nintendo chain go Zelda > Mario > Metroid in both character and games contests in the past. Metroid games were a lot stronger than some might suspect at first because of the SFF it ran into with Super Mario Bros. 3 (Metroid) and A Link to the Past (Super Metroid). The highest Metroid game placed in the Top 20 in the stats and that was Metroid Prime at 33.40% against Final Fantasy VII, which is not bad at all. On the other hand, we have no data on Kirby games at all, not even from The List. What we can gather from character contests is that he is pretty popular, but Samus absolutely murders him strength. It’s debatable on how much Samus was helped by SSB, but it’s entirely possible Kirby was helped out by the original release back on the Nintendo 64 as well. At any rate, there has yet to be an instance where Kirby beats out something Metroid and we have yet to see an instance where the fanbase has preferred Kirby over Metroid in any respect. This one is rather simple, really. What is difficult is to decide just how much SFF is going to occur in this match and if it’ll be a massive blowout or just another beating we usually see. I have my doubts on Metroid being able to crack 80% against Kirby, but I don’t think a tripling is out of the question. It’s entirely possible that there might not be much of any SFF either, but the result is basically the same. Metroid wins this one and with absolute ease. Aitch Emm’s Bracket Says : Metroid will win. Aitch Emm’s Prediction : Metroid 72% -- Kirby 28% Aitch Emm’s Vote : Metroid |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/4/2006 9:22:30 PM | message detail | #207 |
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Mnm’s Analysis Battle Music: Fountain of Dreams (SSBM) What is it with Ceej deciding to make this a psuedo-Nintendo division? Instead of spreading Metroid and Kirby out and letting them spread their wings against other series, we are stuck with a potential SFF match in every round for this division. The balancing of this bracket is horrible. Wouldn’t you rather see how Kirby would fare against say, Devil May Cry or Diablo? Wouldn’t you rather see Metroid test its mettle against Kingdom Hearts or something where it could display its full strength? Anything but another bunch of SFF matches for Metroid. The series deserves better than that. Enough ranting though, on with the analysis! Metroid is a series that’s been around since the old NES days, but it has absolutely exploded in popularity within the last four years. Sure Metroid had the whole Justin Bailey craze on the NES, and Super Metroid was a favorite on the SNES, but the series didn’t peak in popularity until 2k2 with the release of Metroid Prime, Metroid Fusion, and Metroid Zero Mission in their footsteps. Those games introduced Metroid to a generation of gamers (32-64 bit era) who didn’t even know who Samus was outside of SSB. Metroid has proven to be pretty popular on GameFAQs since then. Metroid Prime won Game of the Year, Metroid Prime 2 came pretty close, and both handheld games had pretty good showings as well. Plus you now have to add in Metroid Prime: Hunters to the mix as it has spread among the DS fanbase. Metroid hasn’t really had a chance to shine in a contest setting, but that’s because it was stuck behind SFF on all fronts. But as the GotY polls have shown, it still is a force on this site. Kirby is a little hard to place. On one hand, he’s a pretty popular character on this site. It makes sense, as Kirby has been around for 14 years and has had tons of games, not to mention appearances in the SSB games. Kirby is indeed a Nintendo star. On the other hand, none of his games are really popular at all. His most popular game is Kirby Super Star, which was just one good game on an SNES loaded with popular games. You could say that Canvas Curse was well received and has the recency factor, but face it. Kirby games just aren’t that popular. Samus would probably beat Kirby with over 60% of the vote. Kirby’s games are much less popular than the character. With Metroid being pretty popular on this site, I don’t see how Kirby can avoid the doubling. The voters know this is about the games, as evident by SMW/Sonic 2, which was pretty much a picture of Mario vs. Sonic. Sorry Kirby, being a popular character just won’t cut it in this contest. Bracket: Metroid Vote: Metroid Prediction: Metroid with 66.74% And since I feel like being random, I’m posting the Super Metroid rap! Now, this is a story all about how A Baby Metroid got stolen-turned upside down And I liked to take a minute Just sit right there I'll tell you how I kicked ass in a place called Norfair In SR-388 born and displaced Ceres Space Colony was where it spent most of its days Scientists seeing what they could find Powers being harnessed for the good of mankind When a familiar guy Who was up to no good Startin makin’ trouble in my neighborhood But after one little fight, Ridley got scared And said 'I'm movin' with my auntie and uncle in Norfair' I whistled for my ship and when it came near I set the course for Zebes, "That place looks familiar!" I saw no space pirates, thought that was rare But I thought 'Naw forget it' - 'Yo homes to Norfair' I... went... through the whole planet to Ridley's base Shot about a hundred missiles in his face I looked at my map, I was nearly there To kick ass and take names in Mother Brain's lair |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/4/2006 9:23:07 PM | message detail | #208 |
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HaRRich’s Analysis Predicted winner: Metroid Top 100 List comparison: ---Super Metroid - #24, Metroid Prime - #29, Metroid - #65, MP2: Echoes - #74 (Fun-fact: Metroid Fusion is the only Nintendo game on the drop-down list that didn't make the Top 100 List) ---Kirby - N/A (had no games on the drop-down list) Best Game Ever x-stat comparison: ---Metroid Prime - 33.4% (may have been SFF'd by LoZ:WW, was behind Starcraft), Super Metroid - 21.63% (SFF'd by LoZ:LttP), Metroid - 17.53% (SFF'd by SMB3) ---Kirby - N/A (no rep) I wish Kirby had some other series to face -- besides this being a same-fanbase match (hopefully with no SFF), I would think the Metroid series is bigger than Samus while Kirby is bigger than his series. Furthermore, though not many people would take the risk, if Kirby had to be a "7-seed," he would have been much more fun to watch in Harvest Moon's place or Shadow Heart's place (though that'd then make Metroid/Shadow Hearts...heh). ANYWAY, I got off-topic... ...on-topic, Metroid wins, but it'll be fascinating to see by how much since we've never seen anything-Kirby in action here. Again, it's an same-fanbase battle though SFF actually occuring isn't quite so likely (Metroid has never shown signs of being able to dish out SFF except for, what, Samus/Isaac?), and Kirby's as popular and strong as he is for a reason. I credit SSB/M to a lot of that, but, then again, I credit SSB/M to a lot of Samus's strength too, and Samus-2k4 would beat Kirby-2k5 with 59.42% (though I think Kirby rSFF'd Bowser some and made him too strong...but that's another tale for another time). I don't see any Kirby game matching Super Metroid or Metroid Prime in either contest strength or number of fanatics, but its base should still be fairly firm too. Metroid wins with 63.12% Lopen’s Analysis Holy overlapping fanbases, Hurricane! Which is higher in the Nintendo series pecking order, Metroid or Kirby? Seems to be pretty strongly pointing to Metroid at this point. Metroid Prime was in contention for Game of the Year a few years back, so was Metroid Prime 2... less years back. Kirby? Not a chance. Metroid had like 3... maybe even 4 entries into the top 100 list, Kirby had none. Metroid had three reps in the game contest… Kirby, once again, had none. Wow, with all these factors against Kirby, this is gonna be ugly, right? At a glance, yeah, but I'm not feeling it. If any series will get votes based on the character, it'll be Kirby. Half of the fun of Kirby's games is using the little campfire treat wannabe. So in the best case for Kirby we have Metroid against Kirby the character. I still think Kirby loses out on that, but not nearly as bad as what was implied above. Also, add to this that Metroid always seems to be on the bad end of these "SFF" situations, and Kirby seems to be on the good end of them (Kirby v Bowser… well it's only one, but whatever), and you actually have a situation that might be dangerous for Metroid here. Might being the keyword. I still don't think any upset is gonna happen, but watch for a surprise in percentagaes! Lopen's Prediction: Metroid with 57.11% |
| swyg | Posted 7/4/2006 9:25:37 PM | message detail | #209 |
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| yoblazer33 | Posted 7/4/2006 9:31:31 PM | message detail | #210 |
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I think you missed mine. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/4/2006 9:32:45 PM | message detail | #211 |
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Yoblazer’s Analysis No need for length here. While we all know Metroid doesn't fare well when it comes to Nintendo SFF, it should be able to take this one easily. When's the last time a Kirby game was even discussed? Samus has at least two games in her arsenal that will thrash anything Kirby has to offer, and that's not even considering SFF, which will obviously favor Metroid. Amazingly, there were some wild predictions of Kirby actually taking this match. Now, I'm not usually one for in-your-face statements, but that is completely ridiculous. When you get a bracket that, at first glance, seems way too predictable, you start looking for upsets where they don't exist. This is one of those cases. Metroid takes it. Metroid + Stronger games + SFF will go Samus's way + It will humiliate its second round opponent - It will get humiliated one week later Kirby + Puffball made the contest - First round loss My prediction: Metroid def. Kirby (65-35) Comments: Crew has Metroid 9-0. Interesting to see how SFF will play out in this match. It could be a blowout or it could be close. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2006 9:52:00 PM | message detail | #212 |
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I'll go ahead and say that Ulti is going to be horribly off this round.
If Kirby rSFF'd Bowser (which I think he did), it's because of how much
more favored Kirby is in SSB/M than Bowser in SSBM. Besides,
indirectly, Kirby's been slightly stronger than Yoshi for two years
before that, and Yoshi got 43.66% on Bowser in 2k3. The SSB/M fanbase
wouldn't have to do much from there to have Kirby do as well as he did
against Bowser... ...but there's no SSB/M in this match, and I'm not sure any Kirby game could beat Metroid, Super Metroid, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Metroid: Zero Mission, Metroid Fusion, or Metroid Prime: Hunters. A Kirby game or two could beat one or two of the handheld games, but I wouldn't count anything as definite. Man, I wish I would have redone my prediction. I like therealmnm's the best. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2006 9:54:19 PM | message detail | #213 |
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Oh, and throw in Canvas Curse somewhere in my last post. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/4/2006 11:17:54 PM | message detail | #214 |
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I like therealmnm's the best. I like mine the best, personally!! --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/4/2006 11:22:23 PM | message detail | #215 |
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My reasoning in my analysis topic seems similar to Harrich's, but I
have a prediction of 69.69%, which I thought was off-the-wall high. TuRtLe ~~~ Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 7/5/2006 2:10:25 AM | message detail | #216 |
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Nice pick for once, HM. --- ...little Weezing it's gonna stand up against my ****in' Charizard? Just get back on your bike and keep pretending to be cool with your lame ass mohawk ****er. - phoenix1487 Sp2k6: 3/3 |
| Lugia2 | Posted 7/5/2006 8:01:28 AM | message detail | #217 |
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Just yesterday we were laughing at HM...Well, now he gets to laugh at us. --- VIVA LA REVOLU-er, Wii!! Thank you Nintendo, thank you very much. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 10:24:02 AM | message detail | #218 |
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Pokemon....................65.74% 71579 Star Ocean................34.26% 37307 TOTAL VOTES..............108886 83.74% of the brackets predicted this match correctly. For a match so hotly debated on the board, Pokemon went and made Star Ocean a joke. Pokemon won easily and had huge bracket support, two things I didn't expect to see. Today, the Metroid series is showing its strength by keeping Kirby under 30%. The day vote should hopefully bring Kirby up a bit though. Soul - 1 HaRRich - 1 Ulti - 1 Moltar - 0 Leon - 0 HM - 0 Yoblazer - 0 Mnm - 0 Lopen - 0 Soul is the only one who called a beatdown yesterday, so he earned his point here. --- Moltar Status: Excited, the Contest is here at last! Metroid vs. Kirby - Bracket: Metroid - Vote: Kirby (3/3) |
| RPGGamer0 | Posted 7/5/2006 10:30:19 AM | message detail | #219 |
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C'mon, 'blazer -- I need you to wipe the floor with everybody, or my
prediction goes to hell what with me choosing Sowl and Ulti to be last.
>_> --- My mom calls hers a Money Money Hole. :( - chaoscell |
| Jmast7 | Posted 7/5/2006 12:27:50 PM | message detail | #220 |
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tag --- "I have never cared for the Yankees, and for a very good reason: The Yankees are evil." – Dave Barry |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:10:35 PM | message detail | #221 |
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Snake Division: Round 1 - Match 5 – (1)Metal Gear vs. (8)Soul Calibur Moltar’s Analysis Metal Gear The Metal Gear series started on the NES, but moved to the Playstation and became Metal Gear Solid. The third is the latest, but we’re all ready for MGS4. Soul Calibur The Soul Calibur franchise is one of the few fighting series that I actually like. Started on the Dreamcast, but branched out to all three consoles for the sequel. The latest is the 3rd and it’s PS2 exclusive. And thus begins what should be the most fun division in the bracket, the Snake division. MG is obviously the weakest 1-seed in the Contest, and contenders like Kingdom Hearts and Halo are looking for the upset. While MG might be the weakest 1 seed though, doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. It will probably be underrated in this match because most will forget how well Soul Calibur did in 2004. SC was pretty much even with Kingdom Hearts, which lost in a close one to Starcraft, and we all know how well Starcraft did. Unfortunately, a strong series like Soul Calibur is screwed over by going up against Metal Gear in Round 1. It would have had tons of potential in another part of the bracket. Soul Calibur might do well against Metal Gear, but it’s not looking like it can pull off the win. MG should at least hit the doubling in order to look good. Moltar’s Bracket Says: Metal Gear will win. Moltar’s Prediction is: Metal Gear: 67% - Soul Calibur: 33% Ulti’s Analysis It's a shame that Soul Calibur is stuck being 8 seed fodder in this contest, because it would be nice to see whether or not its performance in the games contest was a fluke. As it stands, MGS just has an easy first round match. The only drama here will be where MGS's percentage ends up. Prediction: MGS with 62.35% Soul’s Analysis After that bore known as the Hyrule Division, we move on to a slightly better division. Ok, I'm sorry. A hell of a better division. We have a great four-back in the upcoming days, as well as a pretty good 4 Vs. 5 match. But first, we have the heavy hitter of the division. Metal Gear is probably Sony's most beloved series on this site. Sure, Madden and GTA get more sales, but I doubt those series are nearly as loved as MGS is. Add to that a kickass story with phenomenal characters and boss fights and you've got one hell of a strong series in this contest. What's so shocking about this match though is the fact that Soul Calibur is also a strong series. This is evident by the fact that the first Soul Calibur game ranked ahead of every Metal Gear game in the Top 100 contest. (Note from Moltar: Actually, SC ranked below every MG game on the Top 100) There's also the extremely popular Soul Calibur 2 that was released on every major platform this generation. Soul Calibur 3 was well received as well. Basically, Soul Calibur will be no slouch in this contest, and could potentially scare Metal Gear in their first round match. Mostly everyone believes Metal Gear will win this one. I suspect that Metal Gear will win this as well, but not as comfortably as others believe. SC is underseeded for sure, and will definitely surprise many people. My prediction: Metal Gear wins with 57.86% of the vote. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:11:25 PM | message detail | #222 |
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Leon’s Analysis Ah, two contests for Soul Calibur, two 8 seeds. The only difference now is that being an 8 seed means you get fed to the top seed right off the bat. The last time we saw it in a contest, it shocked nearly everybody on Board 8 by leading Kingdom Hearts for a long time before finally giving way and losing in a close one. When an entrant shows that kind of strength in a contest, being relegated to a sacrificial lamb seems like a waste. Soul Calibur could be a good dark horse somewhere else, but alas, such is bracketing. Before the bracket was released, three of the four 1 seeds were no-brainers: Final Fantasy, the Legend of Zelda, and Super Mario Brothers. The fourth top seed was oft-debated, but the majority seemed to agree that Metal Gear was the most likely choice to get it. Turns out they were right. After Metal Gear Solid was utterly embarrassed by Final Fantasy VII in the Spring Contest and Solid Snake’s disappointing performance in SC2K4 where he didn’t even appear to be Noble Nine quality anymore, the series appeared to be on the way down. However, the release of Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater in late 2004 appears to be the breath of fresh air that the series needed. Solid Snake was stronger than he’s ever been in 2005, and he needed every ounce of that new power to make his first ever Final Four. Then the original Metal Gear Solid placed at #8 on the GameFAQs Top 100 List, leading some to believe (along with Sephiroth/Liquid Snake in the Villains Contest) that perhaps Final Fantasy VII had overperformed on it back then. Now here it is in 2006 with the coveted fourth top seed in the Best Series Ever Contest. Metal Gear’s strength was a hot topic among us statheads, wondering if it really WOULD be the fourth strongest. There were quite a few who felt that it could be beaten by some other series, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, if you’re a Metal Gear mark) the strongest contenders are nowhere to be seen in the Snake Division. Granted, Metal Gear still has some potential challengers, but compared to what it could have had, it got off easy. Soul Calibur will do decently, but it won’t do enough to win. Heck, I think it’ll do better than a lot will expect, leading people to get on the upset bandwagon for it to lose before the Final Four. Leonhart’s Prediction: Metal Gear with 58.41% Lopen’s Analysis 1v8 fodder match! Alright, I get to make fun of the fodder now! No? What do you mean no? Soul Calibur is actually something to be respected? Why yes, Timmy, it is. At least… it looks like it is. Soul Calibur gave Kingdom Hearts quite the scare in the game contest a couple of years ago. And that was just the original! The second one had some stupid gimp-tier elf in it that I'm told is pretty popular on this site. Oh man, imagine that as the match picture? Link vs. Melting Snake. I'd be loling to the bank, there. I'm going off on a tangent… anyway… I have a somewhat bold assumption here… that most of the people who voted for Soul Calibur did so because of Soul Calibur 2 in the game contest. So what you see there is the meat of what you get. Soul Calibur 3 has since been released, but it didn't really leave the mark that Soul Calibur 2 did… and it lacked gimp-tier-mcelfton. So assuming you believe me (and why wouldn't you?), the Soul Calibur of yore is about as good as we're going to see. You've got a series here that barely loses to Kingdom Hearts 1 alone in a 3 on 1 handicap match. Man, I hope the entire Metal Gear Solid series can do better than that. And if it can't, I blame it on Solid Snake and his games that are less good than Metal Gear Solid 2. Raiden had nothing to do with it. Lopen's Prediction: Metal Gear with 61.61% |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:11:57 PM | message detail | #223 |
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HM’s Analysis Here we are at the start of Metal Gear’s first match in what will be an impressive run in the “Best. Series. Ever.” Contest – fourth strongest, in fact! Soul Calibur is probably one of those games that fall under “wasted potential,” as it could have done some major things in any other place in the bracket. Unfortunately, it got stuck against an absolute beast of a franchise in Metal Gear. Even with its strength, I think Soul Calibur is going to be getting quite a beat down that may not be expected by everyone. Let’s examine some of the facts we know about both franchises in previous contests and what we can get from The List. Interestingly, Soul Calibur places above any singular Metal Gear Solid game in the extrapolated stats. However, you just have to take a look at StarCraft’s cheating run in the contest to see that it is overrated a bit. On top of that, Metal Gear Solid likely suffered some sort of SFF against Final Fantasy VII, which has shown to show some type of fanbase before. Further, Metal Gear Solid managed to rank in the Top 10 in The List, eighth to be exact. Metal Gear Solid 2 ranked pretty highly in the stats as well, slightly above Metal Gear Solid, though both were Top 25 games. As far as The List is concerned, Metal Gear Solid, as I said ranked 8th; Metal Gear Solid 3 ranked 21st; and Metal Gear Solid 2 ranked 41st. Soul Calibur ended up ranking 51st and that would be the only game on the list from the series. It is pretty clear from this alone that Metal Gear Solid outranks Soul Calibur in pretty much every stat related case we have – you have to take into account StarCraft’s cheating votes. And let’s just be honest here, Metal Gear is far too popular of a series to lose to any fighting game series, or even any series not named Mario, Zelda, or Final Fantasy. It is a widely popular franchise that has gathered many fans, sold millions upon millions of copies, and currently has one of the most anticipated next-generation games in Metal Gear Solid 4. Solid Snake is also a testament to just how strong the Metal Gear franchise is, with its character always being in the top nine characters since his entry back in 2002. There’s no way this one will be even remotely close, folks. But I bet you already knew that!! I probably spent too much time going over something that is rather obvious, but I really wanted to give a little insight into why Metal Gear is going to be strong enough to lay a beat down on Soul Calibur and others in its division, at least until it runs into Kingdom Hearts. I even think it’ll end with a respectable percentage against The Legend of Zelda, but that’s another analysis for another time … Aitch Emm’s Bracket Says : Metal Gear will win. Aitch Emm’s Prediction : Metal Gear 67% -- Soul Calibur 33% Aitch Emm’s Vote : Metal Gear. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:12:32 PM | message detail | #224 |
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Mnm’s Analysis Metal Gear gets its expected number one seed in this contest and is in great position to do some damage in this contest. People are expecting it to be a powerhouse in this contest, but I wouldn’t go as far as to call it that. Metal Gear is certainly beatable, and I would take a number of series to beat it. Fortunately for Metal Gear, most of those series are either on the on the other side of the bracket, or out of the contest altogether. But still, there are a few series in this division that can give MG a run, but again Metal Gear is fortunate in that they have to beat each other up to reach MG. Ah, the comfort of being a one seed. Don’t get me wrong, Metal Gear Solid is definitely a popular series on GameFAQs. I just feel that people overrate its strength on this site. Metal Gear definitely has a large core group of fans, but it isn’t for everyone. I wouldn’t say its fanbase was any bigger than say, the GTA or Halo fanbase on this site. Now, on to the match at hand. Metal Gear had a decent run in the games contest, but it didn’t do that well. The meat of the series, as we all know, is the Metal Gear Solid trilogy. MGS2 did pretty well against SSBM, but it was directly outclassed by GTA: Vice City. MGS did well in beating FFT, but it succumbed to FFVII and probably is underrated due to a tad of SFF. MGS2 did okay in its GotY poll, but was overshadowed by GTA and FFX. MGS3 also did well in the GotY poll, but it too was outclassed by GTA. The best thing MGS has to show on this site is its #8 spot on the Top 100 list. But then again, having a large dedicated fanbase does wonders for you in that type of contest. Still, Metal Gear has shown to be pretty strong on this site. It’s definitely beatable though. It’s opponent is Soul Calibur and it is no slouch itself. If you go by the SpC2k4 stats, one might even be enticed to take SC over MGS, seeing that SC ranked higher than both MGS games. There are a couple of things about that though. Metal Gear Solid is definitely underrated in that contest. Soul Calibur is probably overrated due to being behind Starcraft’s Cinderella run. Plus, Soul Calibur was probably at the peak of its popularity then, with the large SC2 multi-console release. A lot of SC’s strength is probably due to SC2 and the many Nintendo fans happy that they have Link in their version of the game joining the dedicated SC fanbase. But that time has come and gone. Even with Soul Calibur 3 on the PS2, I don’t think SC as a series is as popular as it was in 2k4. It still definitely will give the Metal Gear a fight though. Don’t think it will just roll over for it. Some of these predictions I’ve seen around the board are crazy with people having Metal Gear absolutely thrash Soul Calibur. Metal Gear will have to prove it to me in this match. Bracket: Metal Gear?! Vote: Metal Gear?! Prediction: Metal Gear with 59.65% |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:13:20 PM | message detail | #225 |
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Yoblazer’s Analysis If you're one of those nuts who takes 1/8-1/16 upset risks in the hopes something will pay off, this is undoubtedly your best bet since Halo/Starcraft. Soul Calibur is a legitimate series; it certainly isn't the fodder its seeding hints at. The original SC shocked us all by going toe-to-toe with Kingdom Hearts, and the sequel sold pretty well on all three consoles (and featured Link in the Gamecube version, no less). Also, Metal Gear has nowhere near the power of the other top seeded games. When you put the weakest 1-seed against the strongest 8-seed, you'll end up with the best match, and that's what we'll see. That said, the chances for anything interesting here are slim to none, and slim kinda sorta maybe just took the first cab outta town. Metal Gear (man, I have to stop myself from typing "Solid" every single time) is far too established and popular for Soul Calibur to stand a realistic chance. MGS has a long history of being Sony's #2 series; the right hand man to Final Fantasy, if ya wheeeeeeel (why am I sticking a Dusty Rhodes reference into this analysis? Quote frankly, because I'm bored and hope to god at least one person gets it). While some might argue that that spot now belongs to GTA, Snake's series remains high atop the Sony chain of command; much higher than any fighter. Regardless of what the Game Contest tells us, I'd take any of the three MGS games over Soul Calibur. When you release a big sequel guest starring friggin' Link, you're going to get a boost. Doubt that game will be as strong today. Things only look grimmer once Soul Calibur III's disappointing performance in the Game of the Year polls comes into play. Also, CJayC's inclusion of CYBORG RAIDEN in the contest banner shows he is all too willing and able to provide Metal Gear nothing but recent pics that all fans will instantly recognize. Board 8 MGS fans, of course, will ***** and moan about every picture it gets. Looking forward to it! Metal Gear + Three popular games to carry it + Spans a surprising amount of consoles + Gets a bye into Round 3 - Nothing for this match - Round 3 match could be surprising - Is that Zelda I see up there? Oh, fiddley-dee Soul Calibur + Spans a good amount of consoles + Great SpC2K4 performance - What have you done for me lately? My prediction: Metal Gear def. Soul Calibur (62-38) HaRRich’s Analysis Predicted winner: Metal Gear Top 100 List comparison: ---MGS - #8, MGS3 - #21, MGS2 - #41 ---SC - #51 Best Game Ever x-stat comparison: ---MGS2 - 32.52%, MGS - 28.7% (may have been SFF'd by FF7), MG - 14.13% ---SC - 34.28% (was behind Starcraft) I just want to point out the huge clash between the Top 100 List and the Best Game Ever stats and note that, as always, both should be totally ignored and your bracket should go by pure instinct. Diablo > Pokemon in the championship, bay-bee. |
| Adamantno1 | Posted 7/5/2006 5:14:32 PM | message detail | #226 |
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The Metal Gear series started on the NES No it didn't. --- My nick's Adamant. I have a "no 1" that looks stupid. Would've changed it if I could without losing karma. So it's Adamant, not Adamanto or Adamantno. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:14:43 PM | message detail | #227 |
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With Metal Gear Solid being a Top Ten game on the site according to the
Top 100 List while MGS2 got #41, it looks all but certain that MGS was
SFF'd in the Game Contest. SC was behind Starcraft and it placed #51 on
the Top 100 List -- below all three MGS games when the stats clearly show SC > MGS2 and MGS, so consider me crazy, 'cuz I tthhiinnkk
Starcraft might have over-performed somewhere; call it a hunch. To add
to it, the MG series has spanned more systems and generations than SC.
Then to finish it off, I think more people appreciate the MG series
than fighting games in general (excluding SSB/M, damn you), so that
should put a halt to most arguments. Now, SC2 did get real popular
though, and SC3 was...released, at least (I almost literally know
nothing else about it than that, heh), so it should hold its own
against "that one other one-seed" in their match-up, but I plan to
watch this match-up more to see the potential strength for Nightmare in
the Character Contest than anything else. It sucks that Soul Calibur couldn't have been a "7-seed" though -- switch it with Harvest Moon..... Metal Gear win with 60.12% Comments: Crew in favor of MG 9-0. It frightens me that HM, that crazed MG fanboy, and I call for the same result. The others think it will be closer though. |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/5/2006 5:16:56 PM | message detail | #228 |
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| therealmnm | Posted 7/5/2006 5:18:02 PM | message detail | #229 |
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Damn you Soul! I thought I had the lowest percentage for Metal Gear by
far! I even upped my prediction percentage by 2% out of comfort that I
would still be the lowest! Now I'm.... boxed in again! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:18:31 PM | message detail | #230 |
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The Metal Gear series started on the NES No it didn't. I meant in the US. --- Moltar Status: Excited, the Contest is here at last! Metroid vs. Kirby - Bracket: Metroid - Vote: Kirby (3/3) |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/5/2006 5:35:15 PM | message detail | #231 |
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If Kirby can bring today's down to 70.84 or less, I will have beaten the crew. TuRtLe ~~~ Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/5/2006 5:56:48 PM | message detail | #232 |
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Whoa! No idea I had the same prediction as Moltar, but I like the way he thinks! --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/5/2006 6:18:50 PM | message detail | #233 |
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| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/5/2006 6:20:10 PM | message detail | #234 |
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=29013865&page=0 Is my analysis if anyone's interested. And noone has a blowout pick? My prediction of 72.57 is looking pretty lonely up there. TuRtLe ~~~ Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| ravensrule99 | Posted 7/5/2006 6:20:13 PM | message detail | #235 |
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| Rad Link 5 | Posted 7/5/2006 11:31:45 PM | message detail | #236 |
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Post in topic with Bobobo-bo Bobobo mention. --- um that dose that mean your a girl my immortal since you have a boy friend - ertyu Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/5/2006 11:34:17 PM | message detail | #237 |
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It frightens me that HM, that crazed MG fanboy, and I call for the same result. Hmm? =p --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 7/5/2006 11:34:54 PM | message detail | #238 |
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I had a blowout pick for the Oracle. God damn, if I stayed with all my oracle picks I would be pretty damn unstoppable right about now. --- - "ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune ^5 SOWL IMHO - Explicit Content |
| Lugia2 | Posted 7/6/2006 7:07:02 AM | message detail | #239 |
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Blowout, blowout, blowout...Maybe we should all just pick 90% picks. Kidding. Anyway, the next match shouldn't be so blowoutish. FE 56%-SH 44%? --- VIVA LA REVOLU-er, Wii!! Thank you Nintendo, thank you very much. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/6/2006 12:40:31 PM | message detail | #240 |
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Metroid........................70.57% 75098 Kirby............................29.43% 31312 TOTAL VOTES........................106410 89.22% of the brackets predicted this match correctly. Metroid went and laid the smackdown on Kirby here. Most of us saw this coming though, so it's not really any surprise. I liked how Kirby chipped away at the percentage all day though. Shows that the puffball had determination! Today, Metal Gear exploded out of the gate, but ever since morning, Soul Calibur has been chipping away at the percentage. At a much faster rate than Kirby did too. HM - 1 Soul - 1 HaRRich - 1 Ulti - 1 Moltar - 0 Leon - 0 Yoblazer - 0 Mnm - 0 Lopen - 0 I almost stole this one away from HM, but he gets the point in the end. --- Moltar Status: Excited, the Contest is here at last! Metal Gear vs. Soul Calibur - Bracket: MG - Vote: MG (4/4) |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/6/2006 1:03:22 PM | message detail | #241 |
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Best prediction two days in a row!! --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/6/2006 2:32:59 PM | message detail | #242 |
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You know, I think I need to start putting a +5% on all my Nintendo
related matches. I'll try one more time, but if Fire Emblem beats
Silent Hill down, I'm changing my Nintendo related picks! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/6/2006 2:42:18 PM | message detail | #243 |
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Snake Division: Round 1 - Match 6 – (4)Fire Emblem vs. (5)Silent Hill Moltar’s Analysis Fire Emblem Back in 2004, the FE series was new to America, and most already associated it with Marth and Roy. Now the FE franchise is a bit more popular in America. The latest is Path of Radiance released on the GCN. Silent Hill Other than Pyramid Head, we haven’t seen SH in Contest format. It is pretty popular though, even spawning a movie. The most recent in the franchise is Silent Hill 4. This is a Round 1 match that has gotten some talk. Too bad it’s a match where, like Vyse/Laharl, will be harder to watch than two old people making love. Fire Emblem was in the Spring 2004 Contest, where it was doubled by FFTA. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1629 – FFTA/FE Now, the GBA game had only been out 4 months prior to the Contest, and it was facing another GBA RPG. The only thing was that it’s part of the Final Fantasy franchise. FFTA then proceeded to get whooped by another Final Fantasy game, FFX. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1647 – FFX/FFTA So could it be that Fire Emblem’s weaknesses was not only caused by how new it was, but also because it was behind some serious SFF? Who knows? Now, the FE franchise has 2 new games with it, and time to age, so should it do much better now? Of course. But what about Silent Hill? I haven’t mentioned it at all yet. Well, what is there to talk about? The franchise should be stronger than Pyramid Head, but I can’t see SH having any strength whatsoever. “but zomg it has the movie!!1!” Ok, so it might be more popular overall in the States, but here at GameFAQs, that doesn’t matter. Silent Hill shouldn’t do too badly, but that’s because Fire Emblem isn’t much stronger itself. The match picture should have a huge influence on this match as well. If FE ends up with Marth and Roy in the picture, expect it to do much better than a picture without them. Moltar’s Bracket Says: Fire Emblem will win. Moltar’s Prediction is: Fire Emblem: 59% - Silent Hill: 41% Soul’s Analysis Here's a match that is supposed to be a close one but won't. People are really hyping this one to go any way. On paper it looks interesting, but if you would think about it, you would realize how easy this match is to predict. Fire Emblem is a pretty big franchise in Japan, and it's just starting to get popular in North America. It is a Nintendo's best RPG series not named Pokemon. Silent Hill, as good as it is, will not be strong enough to handle a respectable Nintendo RPG series. It would need outside influence to be able to take on Fire Emblem. Maybe something like... a movie? XD! I contemplated leaving this write-up as is, but I guess I could extend it a bit. The Silent Hill movie will do nothing for our contest. I laugh at anyone who thinks that. I'll compare it to the Tomb Raider and Resident Evil movies. Both TR movies did nothing for Lara Croft. The RE movies did nothing for Jill Valentine. The Silent Hill movie will do nothing for the Silent Hill series. Add to the fact that the movie wasn't that good. The movie would have had to have been amazing for it to make people vote for a series they've never played. And SSBM could have some influence in this match. "Marth, the best character in SSBM, comes from Fire Emblem! That series must be good!". Ok, that probably won't happen, but you never know. My prediction: Fire Emblem wins with 58.25% of the vote |
| SephirothG | Posted 7/6/2006 2:42:59 PM | message detail | #244 |
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SH > FE lol --- [Something clever was here before the sig wipe] http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585012 |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/6/2006 2:43:19 PM | message detail | #245 |
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Ulti’s Analysis I have little experience with the Silent Hill series, so sorry in advance for this one being a bit one-sided on my end. I once tried playing SH2, but got scared and quit after getting to that big apartment building near the beginning. And you people think I'm kidding when I say The Ring scarred me for life. Anyway, this is a match between two cult series. Fire Emblem, Nintendo or not, is rather cult. It can credit SSBM for its popularity's starting point in America. Before FE7 was released stateside, the first six games of the series were all Japan-only. This makes the fact that some FF titles were held from the US look miniscule. Thanks in large part to Marth and Roy being in SSBM, "Fire Emblem" saw some success when it was released. 500k copies were sold in America, and over a million sold worldwide. Nintendo saw that the series had potential, and ran with it. Fire Emblem 8 was released for the GBA, and Fire Emblem 9 was released on the GCN to mark the first Fire Emblem to see a major console on American soil. Furthermore, go look at the SSBB trailer. It's pretty obvious that Ike and his castle are both going to be in the game, which will only help boost the series even further. Fire Emblem has moved from cult status to niche since the release of SSBM and FE7, and it's slowly establishing itself with each new release. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a Fire Emblem Wii is currently in production. As for why I think Fire Emblem wins, FE is niche. Silent Hill is about as cult as it gets, movie release or not. That movie is also being damn overrated by Silent Hill fans hopeful for a win. Tomb Raider 2 came out the weekend before Lara Croft's match with Zelda in 2003; Lara still got her ass whipped. Crash Bandicoot, due to commercial exposure alone, should have wiped the floor with Ulala in 2002. He did not. He probably should have beaten the far lesser-known KOS-MOS in 2003. He did not. Resident Evil movies haven't exactly helped their characters out; that credit goes to games themselves. It takes far more than TV exposure to do anything on GameFAQs, land of all things that make no sense. Silent Hill would likely be a lock on any other site. As it stands... nah. Prediction: Fire Emblem with 62.15% Leon’s Analysis For some reason, every contest features a match between two fodderific entrants, guaranteeing that at least one of them will win a match while two strong entrants end up facing each other in the first round, leaving one without a single win. 2002 was full of them, but Serious Sam/Mr. Driller was the worst of the worst, if you want to get down to it. 2003 had Gordon Freeman/Max Payne. The Games Contest had, well, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance/Fire Emblem. SC2K4 had Vyse/Laharl, which has essentially become the iconic match to symbolize this type, and it was an 8/9 match to boot! The Villains Contest, of course, had quite a few, with Ansem/CATS being the headliner. SC2K5 had Lloyd/Wesker. And here we are in our 2006 Series Contest with Fire Emblem/Silent Hill. With very limited data to work with for both series and little guarantee of strength from either side, this essentially becomes a matter of which series you think is weaker. As mentioned earlier, Fire Emblem’s only previous contest experience is a bad loss against Final Fantasy Tactics Advance in Sp2K4, where it barely avoided a doubling. Granted, you could make a case for Fire Emblem not looking quite as bad as it appeared. After all, the game had only been out for four months at the time of the contest, and it was facing another GBA-exclusive title, and a Final Fantasy title on top of that. An underperformance is not out of the question. Then there is the possibility of FFX/FFTA SFF, of course, so Fire Emblem has a little room for improvement. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/6/2006 2:44:07 PM | message detail | #246 |
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The only Silent Hill entry we have seen is Pyramid Head in the Villains
Contest, where he was destroyed by Bowser and finished fourth from the
bottom, almost on equal ground with Luca Blight. And we KNOW Suikoden
is about as weak as they come, but I’ll give it the benefit of the
doubt because games =/= characters. Silent Hill does have the advantage
of being more mainstream and I suppose more recognizable to the average
gamer, but on GameFAQs, I don’t consider that to be much of an
advantage. This is a gamers’ site and one that loves RPGs and Nintendo
above all. And whaddya know? Fire Emblem is BOTH an RPG and Nintendo. As I mentioned before, this is a situation where you pick the game with the least likelihood of losing. In this case, I have to believe it’s Fire Emblem. Leonhart’s Prediction: Fire Emblem with 55.54% HM’s Analysis This would be the second debated match so far in the bracket – the first being Pokemon/Star Ocean, at least to some extent – and it’s really more of a snooze fest than something exciting. Perhaps it is because most people are not really fanatical about either series, but the debates circulating around this one are rather boring, and the match itself should rack up the lowest vote totals in the contest. My initial thought on this match when filling out the bracket was to choose Fire Emblem simply because it is a Nintendo franchise. I never saw Silent Hill as being all that popular here, and Fire Emblem at least had the added benefit of having some of the Nintendo fanbase behind it. Of course, those were just initial thoughts and it wasn’t until afterward that I realized there was actually some real justification to picking Fire Emblem that didn’t deal with Silent Hill’s weakness. We have seen Fire Emblem perform in the contest before – it went against Final Fantasy Tactics Advance in the games contest. Unfortunately, it was beaten down pretty easily, which goes to show that vocal hatred on boards does not translate into hatred when the entire site votes. There is a possibility that FFTA SFFed FE since both come from the same genre and on the same platform. FFTA does carry the Final Fantasy name, which is certainly going to give it some added strength. Of course, this is all just a possibility and probably one that isn’t too significant. As well know, FFTA went on to face FFX, which just seems to scream SFF. FFX didn’t completely annihilate FFTA, so it’s entirely possible that there wasn’t very much SFF there. Still, anything would help to give Fire Emblem some added strength. On top of that, this match took place only four months after its release in November 2003. I hadn’t gotten around to playing it by the time it had a match, which I’m sure might be the same for a number of people. Further, Fire Emblem has seen two releases since its last appearance in the game contest (Fire Emblem : The Sacred Stones on the GBA and Fire Emblem : Path of Radiance on the GCN). Awareness has undoubtedly increased for the series with more games released over here in America. I think it’s worth bringing up the sales of the games too … Fire Emblem (GBA) -- 450,000 Fire Emblem : The Sacred Stones (GBA) -- 308,414 Fire Emblem : Path of Radiance (GCN) -- 173,858 |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/6/2006 2:44:42 PM | message detail | #247 |
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That isn’t too shabby, really. I think the fact that it sold pretty
well, it comes from a Nintendo franchise, has three titles released
over here in America (which seems to have raised awareness and
popularity of the series overall), and weakness of Silent Hill overall
will lead a pretty easy Fire Emblem victory. People like to cite the
Silent Hill movie and the overall advertisement it has received over
the past few months, but movies for weak series really aren’t going to
do much. We have seen DOOM and Lara Croft not benefit much at all with
the release of a new movie, so why should we expect the same of Silent
Hill? Perhaps I’m mistaken, but I have never once noticed anything notable from Silent Hill at GameFAQs. It seems to have its own little fanbase, but it is nothing overwhelming or exceptionally popular. We have seen Pyramid Head in the villains contest and his performance was really poor. It is true that one could bring up that any Fire Emblem villain probably wouldn’t perform much better, but I would wager that someone like Lyn or Hector would out perform any Silent Hill character, villain or protagonist. It helps that Fire Emblem has seen exposure through Super Smash Bros. Melee with Marth and Roy. So yeah, I think Fire Emblem ends up taking this one without too much trouble. It won’t be a blowout, but the match will never be in question. I can’t say I’m looking forward to it either, if only because it’ll be really dull. Aitch Emm’s Bracket Says : Fire Emblem will win. Aitch Emm’s Prediction : Fire Emblem 55.5% -- Silent Hill 44.5% Aitch Emm’s Vote : Fire Emblem. Yoblazer’s Analysis Fodder matches stink Plagued half of last spring's first round This year, much less stink For anyone who's upset over this fodderific match, I urge you to take a quick trip down Spring Contest 2005 memory lane. No less than HALF the opening round matches were stinkers like this one. Let us count our blessings and be thankful that this 32-entry bracket only has one fodder match. Speaking of last spring, I have a little story to share with everyone. As the Spring 2005 Contest bracket was released, I initially had Ridley winning his division. I was confident with this... for all of four hours. After looking at the arguments and separating good from bad, I decided Diablo would be the wiser choice. I made that one change to my bracket, locked it up, threw away the key, and was lucky enough to come out with a fortunate result. Fast forward to the series contest: I initially had Silent Hill winning this match. I was confident with this... for all of four hours. After looking at the arguments and separating good from bad, I decided Fire Emblem would be the wiser choice. I have made this one change to my bracket and have since locked it up and thrown away the key. It was something that Leonhart said which really helped put this match in perspective for me: "Silent Hill could be like the Splinter Cell of the survival horror genre. You have the clearly established most popular series (Metal Gear Solid/Resident Evil) and a looooong drop before you hit second." To me, this makes a lot of sense. Resident Evil has the more popular games and characters. It has the more established fanbase on GameFAQs. Even before RE4 hit the scene, it was clearly the genre's most popular representative on this site. Silent Hill, on the other hand, has characters and games that have barely caused a blip on the radar, and its fanbase is practically nonexistent. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/6/2006 2:45:17 PM | message detail | #248 |
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As a series, Silent Hill performed terribly in an older "Which Konami
series is your favorite?" poll (losing not only to Metal Gear and
Castlevania, but to Suikoden, Contra, and Yu-Gi-Oh)
and its lone character entry, Pyramid Head, had a lackluster Spring
2005 match against Bowser. For a series that is often looked upon as
Konami's #3, Silent Hill sure doesn't draw much attention on GameFAQs.
Can it really beat a Nintendo RPG that is on a very healthy popularity
upswing in America? I wouldn't bet on it; Analysis complete; no look at
Fire Emblem required. Fire Emblem + Nintendo RPG + Gaining popularity in America + Lucky enough to draw one of the only series it could beat - Still fairly new to this part of the world - Sacrificed in Round 2 Silent Hill + It made the contest (<3 Inviso) + It has MY vote + Lucky enough to draw one of the only series that wouldn't kill it - Poor contest/poll history - No indication of a fanbase on GameFAQs My prediction: Fire Emblem def. Silent Hill (56-44) Mnm’s Analysis Battle Music: Fire Emblem (SSBM) Okay, this match scares me. I mean it really scares me. At first glance I didn’t think much of it, but the more I looked at the matchup, the more uncertain I became of it. Out of all the first round matchups, this is the one I feel I have the greatest chance of losing. Neither series is really popular here on GameFAQs, but that still doesn’t mean that this can’t be a back breaker of a match. The thing that worries me is that the games have wild cards that are completely different. The match could easily end up being pretty decisive on either front. Fire Emblem is a Nintendo strategy RPG that has gained a little bit of fanfare since its release in America in 2k4. Before that, the only thing the series had going for it was Marth and Roy’s appearances in SSBM. Not a bad game to have showcasing for you, but still, Fire Emblem definitely needs more than SSBM cameos to get votes. We’ve seen it once in the contest setting, when it was a fledgling set up in a match with the Final Fantasy name. Sure, it was only FFTA, but outside of board 8 the game actually has some fans, and that game also went up in a SFF match with FFX. So Fire Emblem was probably underrated in 2k4. Not to mention that since then, the series has had a couple more release and a chance to gain some popularity. Plus you know that it is going to have a lot of the Nintendo fanbase behind it against the likes of Silent Hill. Silent Hill is a series I’d like to consider as a “poor man’s Resident Evil”. It is a decent survival horror series that has been around since the PSX days. The series has had 4 releases spanning the PSX, PS2, and Xbox. The series actually has quite a few fans from what I’ve seen. It definitely is a known name in the video game market. Unfortunately, the series has done nothing to show any popularity, although we don’t have much data on it. In fact, the only things we have on it is a favorite Konami series poll, and Silent Hill 2 in a GotY poll dominated by MGS2, FFX, and GTA3. There was also Pyramid Head’s showing in the Villains contest, but I wouldn’t dare use that to gauge Silent Hill’s popularity. The average person would barely even know who the main protagonist of any of the games is, let alone an obscure villain from the game. And he was going up against friggin’ BOWSER of all people. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/6/2006 2:45:50 PM | message detail | #249 |
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My main thing is this: People seem to think that Silent Hill is some
obscure and unknown series. That is far from the truth. It may not be a
hugely
popular series, but it definitely is well known throughout the
industry. The first game was fairly popular on the PSX and was well
marketed. People know the name “Silent Hill”. Put it this way, if
Silent Hill is obscure, then you might as well say Syphon Filter,
Legacy of Kain, Tenchu, and other “midcard” series are obscure as well.
I don’t think so. Plus there was the recent Silent Hill movie. Now I
know people will point to Tomb Raider and Lara Croft to counter that,
but this is a completely different scenario. This isn’t people looking
for the Tomb Raider movie to cause Lara Croft to increase in popularity
against friggin’ Zelda. This is Silent Hill looking to gain a vote of
indifference against Fire Emblem, which is no Zelda. It doesn’t take
much to gain that if someone isn’t a fan of Fire Emblem. All in all,
Silent Hill is a bigger name in the industry and it has a bigger
demographic to draw votes from (PSX, PS2, Xbox), regardless of if they
are votes of indifference. Think about it. If a person who is mainly a
PS2 or Xbox gamer votes in this poll, do you think it’s going to be for
Fire Emblem? If that person votes at all, it’s going to be for
Silent Hill. The more votes this match gets, the worse it’s going to
look for Fire Emblem… Fire Emblem really has one thing going for it in this match. And that is the Nintendo fanbase behind it. Once again, with a greater influx of Nintendo fans in this site, FE is going to be a bit stronger and have a lot of potential support. And one thing that FE has over SH is that it has a dedicated fanbase on this site. The SSBM appearance plus the release of 3 games is more than enough to get the Nintendo backing. In the event of a close match, that Nintendo fanbase will probably rally to support FE. Silent Hill has no such backing. If it wins this match, it is going to have to be pretty decisive (55%-45%). Otherwise, with the expected low vote totals, I can see the Nintendo wagon getting behind FE and pushing it to a close victory. Or the fanbase can just make it win outright. Anyways, I’m going with Fire Emblem in a close one, but I am very prepared to lose this match. Bracket: Fire Emblem Vote: Silent Hill (I played the first one. It was pretty good!) Prediction: Fire Emblem with 52.19% HaRRich’s Analysis Predicted winner: Fire Emblem Top 100 List comparison: ---FE (GBA) - #54 ---SH - N/A (had no games on the drop-down list) Best Game Ever x-stat comparison: ---FE - 16.59% (was behind FFTA/FFX) ---SH - N/A (no rep) Don't worry Ed, I still maintain your quote breaks 45% on either of these jobbers -- these two are almost as big on jobbing as Randy Orton, ain't that right ExLax? *botches an RKO on those who disagree* Man, it sucks to have to be serious on this match. Totally sucks. Can I just skip this match? Please, Moltar. No? *sigh* ****. Let's see what I can do. FE was the weakest entry in the 128-Division as far as unadjusted x-stats go, though it was also behind FFTA/FFX, so it should likely be higher. Futhermore, FE hadn't been out for long -- it, along with other FE games, have since had more time in America. Roy and Marth both opened up some awareness for it by being in SSBM, and it doesn't hurt FE at all that it's a Nintendo RPG. As for Silent Hill, it isn't very good when arguably your best rep of the series puts up this kind of performance: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=775 Granted, there were some big games there, but it's still bad that the series' best rep only gets 1.65% in a PS2 GotY poll. Compare it to this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=525 |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/6/2006 2:46:39 PM | message detail | #250 |
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Yes, FE got dead-last in that poll with 1.07%, but three things should
be considered. One, that poll's got SFF written all over it -- the PS2
poll doesn't (though, granted, MGS2 and SH2 are both made by Konami).
Two, the LoZ series, Mario series, and Metroid series are bigger than
FFX, GTA3, and MGS2. Three, that poll was taken in the early-to-middle
part of 2001...you know, where the Gamecube was still half a year away
from releasing. That means no Roy/Marth exposure, and I'm pretty
sure that means no American-releases had been out for the series yet
either. Now, Silent Hill has had a movie out recently...but it
shouldn't bring too many gamers to this site -- especially not like
FF:AC did, which so many people already give no credit to, so I don't
want to hear a word about SH's movie debut having some kind of effect
from those people. Times have changed in FE's favor for sure, though that doesn't mean it's a big series or anything. Then again, neither is Silent Hill, so I think, all things considered, FE takes this one home... ...like I do EC's mom every other Saturday night. Fire Emblem wins with 56.12% Lopen’s Analysis They called this match a 4v5 on the bracket, but when I looked… I just couldn't shake the feeling that this was really an 8v8 match. Or if you want to say it in non-numerical form, FoddervFodder. I could be wrong, this is just my "common sense" talking here. But our exposure to both series is pretty limited on GameFAQs, we don't have too much more than "common sense" to go off of. I could bring up some polls, but the gist of it is that Silent Hill does pretty bloody horribly in every poll it's seen in, but it's usually seen with tougher competition than Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem on the other hand has shown it can do notably better, but then again against any competition that's worth their salt, it falls down just as hard as Silent Hill does. So far, it's looking to me like my hypothesis is correct. Both are pretty foddery series, with Fire Emblem appearing to have a little bit of an advantage. Fire Emblem also has one scary factor that Silent Hill does not… a game on the top 100 list. Surely a series that is total fodder could not have a game that is at #54 on that puppy, right? Nay, I say… wrong. For further reading, I suggest you refer to #68, Skies of Arcadia, and #81 Tales of Symphonia (the latter being a write in) no less. These games are a lot like Fire Emblem to me from what I've observed. They all have pretty fanatical fanbases, and they all have pretty huge followings on Board 8. The second one is the main one I'm going to stress: Board 8. I think we had a much more significant effect on the Top 100 list than you'd think. I looked at the top 100 winners, and 6/15 were names I could immediately recall from Board 8. "But Lopen, we should do better, we knows our stuff!", you say. Maybe so, but the thing is, this is a much higher ratio than most contests, if I recall correctly. I'm led to believe that there wasn't as high a front page entry rate for this contest as there were for most. And because entries = votes for the top 10 list, there were less front page votes for this one, as well. So, assuming I'm right, we shouldn't be as intimidated by a "Board 8 favorite" doing so well on that list as we should a Halo or a Devil May Cry. (It should also be noted that Silent Hill had no rep on the drop down menu for the top 10 list, so you can't fault it too much) |
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