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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/1/2006 8:09:50 PM | message detail | #051
I can't see there being noticeable SFF in that match, just an overall beatdown by LoZ. But, you're the fancy Analysis Crew member and I'm just the lowly n00b.


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therealmnm | Posted 7/1/2006 8:13:34 PM | message detail | #052
MMX is not going to suffer any notable SFF in that match.

Ummm... yes it will. MMX is basically a SNES series. Sure it went on to continue on the Playstation, but outside of X4, its most popular games are all on the SNES. And the majority of its fanbase probably started there.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/1/2006 8:14:10 PM | message detail | #053
Not like it matters. Zelda would blow it out either way.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/1/2006 8:17:50 PM | message detail | #054
Of course, but people are questioning SFF between them like it has no possibility of happening. MMX is basically a SNES series.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/1/2006 8:21:44 PM | message detail | #055
Ummm... yes it will. MMX is basically a SNES series. Sure it went on to continue on the Playstation, but outside of X4, its most popular games are all on the SNES. And the majority of its fanbase probably started there.

That is absurd. It has three games on a Nintendo platform and every other game on another platform, dominatly the PS brand. It is ridiculous to think there will be some significant SFF because of that. It is not a SNES only series, it is not essentially a Nintendo series. The entire idea of that is stupid.

That case works for the original Mega Man because all of its games with the exception of one appear on a Nintendo platform (NES dominantly). Will there be some SFF? Sure. Will it be significant? Not at all. This'll be a blowout anyway, but MMX is not going to get SFFed by any Nintendo series in a notable way. Hell, Zero didn't even receive much SFF against Mario for crying out loud.

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therealmnm | Posted 7/1/2006 8:29:04 PM | message detail | #056
That is absurd. It has three games on a Nintendo platform and every other game on another platform, dominatly the PS brand. It is ridiculous to think there will be some significant SFF because of that. It is not a SNES only series, it is not essentially a Nintendo series. The entire idea of that is stupid.

That case works for the original Mega Man because all of its games with the exception of one appear on a Nintendo platform (NES dominantly). Will there be some SFF? Sure. Will it be significant? Not at all. This'll be a blowout anyway, but MMX is not going to get SFFed by any Nintendo series in a notable way. Hell, Zero didn't even receive much SFF against Mario for crying out loud.


Where the hell do you think most of the people who played those PS game started? You surely don't think that the Playstation games are more popular than the SNES games? The PS2 games are irrelevant... do you think those games really brought new fans to the series? It doesn't matter that there are more games on the PS. The roots of MMX are on the SNES. Open your damn eyes. How much the series gets SFF'd is another story, as the strength of LoZ is already going to be so much over it, but don't act like the roots of MMX isn't primarily Nintendo... Hell, it's not like Mega Man himself is only represented by the NES. Mega Man is in all of the X games too. He still got SFF'd by Link. Zero didn't get SFF'd as much by Mario, but it still was there.

Besides, this is games, not characters. How can you be so adamant about SMW SFFing Sonic 2, yet vehemently deny that LoZ will not be SFFing MMX?
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
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expaniol | Posted 7/1/2006 8:29:40 PM | message detail | #057
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therealmnm | Posted 7/1/2006 8:30:38 PM | message detail | #058
I'm willing to bet that MMX will be stronger than what its final X-stats value is.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/1/2006 8:32:27 PM | message detail | #059
HM brings up a good point. Zero did decently against Mario, the king of random SFF. Not that we'll know either way, since it will be pretty much a 75-25 blowout.


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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/1/2006 8:33:08 PM | message detail | #060
No, Zelda/Link is the king of SFF, not Mario.

And I'd wager that Mario overperformed on Zero somewhat.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
yoblazer33 | Posted 7/1/2006 8:35:30 PM | message detail | #061
Mario did overperform, at least based against our pre-match expectations. Everyone was surprised at how easily Mario won.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/1/2006 8:36:26 PM | message detail | #062
HM brings up a good point. Zero did decently against Mario, the king of random SFF. Not that we'll know either way, since it will be pretty much a 75-25 blowout.

Zero still did worse than he was expected to. And it's not like Link SFF'd Mega Man to the ground. But we're talking about games. We've seen SMW absolutely thrash Sonic 2, and we've seen OoT destroy Goldeneye, which is probably a good deal stronger than it shows if the Top 100 list is any indication. I seriously doubt the Playstation games will be enough to prevent LoZ making MMX look bad. And remember that MMX is a more popular series than the Mega Man series. It would probably beat a number of series in this contest. With an eminent beatdown from LoZ, that most likely won't be shown in the X-stats.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/1/2006 8:37:38 PM | message detail | #063
Where the hell do you think most of the people who played those PS game started? You surely don't think that the Playstation games are more popular than the SNES games? The PS2 games are irrelevant... do you think those games really brought new fans to the series? It doesn't matter that there are more games on the PS. The roots of MMX are on the SNES. Open your damn eyes. How much the series gets SFF'd is another story, as the strength of LoZ is already going to be so much over it, but don't act like the roots of MMX isn't primarily Nintendo...

The roots of nearly every franchise today began on a Nintendo platform. It is ludicrous to call Mega Man X a "Nintendo franchise" or expect to get heavily SFFed in the match against Zelda. The fact that it began on a system does not mean the Nintendo fanbase is the one attached to these games.

The three Mega Man X games that appeared on the SNES were also ported over to the PSX later on, too. I would fully expect there to be some SFF in this match because of these roots, but on a significant level? Forget that. No Nintendo series is going to "SFF" Mega Man X in a notable manner. Nothing even remotely points to that being the case. Zero is the best representation of the X series in these contests and he isn't getting SFFed by any other Nintendo character in a notable manner.

Hell, it's not like Mega Man himself is only represented by the NES. Mega Man is in all of the X games too. He still got SFF'd by Link. Zero didn't get SFF'd as much by Mario, but it still was there.

Yes, it was there. I also said there would be some here, too. The difference is that it is not ever going to be on a significant level that makes it worth mentioning. And the amount of SFF Zero received is not really what I would consider notable. It was likely to be about 1%, which could occur in almost any given match.

Besides, this is games, not characters. How can you be so adamant about SMW SFFing Sonic 2, yet vehemently deny that LoZ will not be SFFing MMX?

Super Mario World and Sonic 2 are a lot more alike than Zelda and MMX. The entire reason I believe that SMW and Sonic 2 featured SFF is because of the fact that they're both really popular platformers from an era when Mario and Sonic were considered pretty big rivals. MMX and Zelda only relate in the fact that they both appeared on the SNES.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/1/2006 8:40:14 PM | message detail | #064
It would probably beat a number of series in this contest. With an eminent beatdown from LoZ, that most likely won't be shown in the X-stats.

The series it would beat it is still going to be above. It may be a few percentage points off from what it would normally be, but it won't be drastically off.

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therealmnm | Posted 7/1/2006 8:56:12 PM | message detail | #065
The three Mega Man X games that appeared on the SNES were also ported over to the PSX later on, too. I would fully expect there to be some SFF in this match because of these roots, but on a significant level? Forget that. No Nintendo series is going to "SFF" Mega Man X in a notable manner. Nothing even remotely points to that being the case. Zero is the best representation of the X series in these contests and he isn't getting SFFed by any other Nintendo character in a notable manner.

Who the hell actually has the PSX ports of the first 3 games? 95% of the fans of the first 3 MMX games probably played them on the SNES, if you don't take into account MMXC. The series wasn't nearly as popular on the PSX as it was for the SNES, and I doubt that those games brought a significant number of fans to the series. The MMX series was one of the top series on the SNES. Can you say the same for the PSX? I really, really doubt that the PSX and PS2 MMX games fanbase is really separate from the SNES games. Those gamers most likely started with the SNES games.

Super Mario World and Sonic 2 are a lot more alike than Zelda and MMX. The entire reason I believe that SMW and Sonic 2 featured SFF is because of the fact that they're both really popular platformers from an era when Mario and Sonic were considered pretty big rivals. MMX and Zelda only relate in the fact that they both appeared on the SNES.

Please don't play the genre card. It's really a lame argument outside of RPGs. MMX started as a SNES series. A Link to the Past is one of the most popular games on that system. There is bound to be SFF between them. When you try to break down between adventure and action, the genre lines are hardly noticeable as far as having separate fanbases. It's not like either genre is niche by any means. I could see if you were talking about RTS or something. Action and adventure games pretty much appeal to everyone.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/1/2006 8:57:13 PM | message detail | #066
On a side-note, do you have the sales of MMAC and MMXC for each system? I want to see how much a role those will play.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/1/2006 9:00:58 PM | message detail | #067
MMAC sold about 250,000 on the PS2 and GCN each. MMXC sold 78,000 on the PS2 and 55,000 on the GCN.

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therealmnm | Posted 7/1/2006 9:02:34 PM | message detail | #068
MMAC sold about 250,000 on the PS2 and GCN each. MMXC sold 78,000 on the PS2 and 55,000 on the GCN.

Wow, those MMXC sales really suck. So much for bringing new fans to the series... :(
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/1/2006 9:03:33 PM | message detail | #069
Probably not too far from the average for a Mega Man game, actually. <<

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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/1/2006 9:04:29 PM | message detail | #070
Yeah, Mega Man on the average doesn't sell too well...
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
HaRRicH | Posted 7/1/2006 9:30:15 PM | message detail | #071
Therealmnm is already showin' why I hope he does the best out of us (besides me) with this MMX arguement. Good show.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/1/2006 9:33:32 PM | message detail | #072
There are no allies in the Analysis Crew! Only acquaintances!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
HaRRicH | Posted 7/1/2006 9:35:06 PM | message detail | #073
And losers. Don't forget about losers, Leon.....

*glares*
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ad00 | Posted 7/1/2006 9:35:34 PM | message detail | #074
It begins! (before the first vote even cast too...)

Tag'd.
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/1/2006 9:35:47 PM | message detail | #075
Don't be jealous because you know you've lost to me before we've even begun!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
KamikazePotato | Posted 7/1/2006 9:35:56 PM | message detail | #076
The Legend of Zelda 84% -- Civilization 12%

HM failed math class.
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/1/2006 9:36:27 PM | message detail | #077
You're all losers compared to me!

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 7/1/2006 9:36:30 PM | message detail | #078
I would like to request a analysis crew spot for the next topic, please...

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/1/2006 9:37:09 PM | message detail | #079
HM failed math class.

I really did ... multiple times.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/1/2006 9:37:28 PM | message detail | #080
You'll have to wait 'til 2007, DC.

Also, HM posted that so he could try to swing a point and say "Oh, I really meant THIS!"
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/1/2006 9:38:38 PM | message detail | #081
Stop ruining my plans!!

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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/1/2006 9:41:18 PM | message detail | #082
I might as well be in the next Contest Analysis Crew as well.

Someone needs to be the bottom of the barrel.

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LegendarySnake | Posted 7/1/2006 9:46:15 PM | message detail | #083
Lopen fills that role well enough!
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yoblazer33 | Posted 7/1/2006 9:48:15 PM | message detail | #084
Your puny quips cannot harm Lopen. Only his hilarious brackets can do that!
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/1/2006 10:20:46 PM | message detail | #085
That and kryptonite.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/1/2006 10:27:40 PM | message detail | #086
The Legend of Zelda 84% -- Civilization 12%

Yeah...I fixed it in the Stats topic, but I missed it here. >.>

And you don't exactly sign up for the Crew. It goes more by invitation.
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Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting for the next Contest to begin.
Ed Bellis | Posted 7/1/2006 10:42:09 PM | message detail | #087
Tag. Looking forward to this season of analyses, guys. DON'T LET ME DOWN OR I MIGHT SHOVE A TREE ONTO YOUR HOUSES
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XxSoulxX | Posted 7/1/2006 10:47:32 PM | message detail | #088
I might as well be in the next Contest Analysis Crew as well.

Someone needs to be the bottom of the barrel.


Don't worry, by the looks of the predictions, that person will be me.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/1/2006 10:49:09 PM | message detail | #089
Tag. Looking forward to this season of analyses, guys. DON'T LET ME DOWN OR I MIGHT SHOVE A TREE ONTO YOUR HOUSES

lol, nothing but palm trees around my house fool!
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/1/2006 10:50:27 PM | message detail | #090
Palm trees can still CRUSH A HUMAN BEING

On another note, I totally wanna be in this next year, just so there can be somebody overly ridiculous to laugh at. >_>
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/1/2006 10:52:13 PM | message detail | #091
Once again, Lopen fulfills that role well enough!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/1/2006 10:53:10 PM | message detail | #092
I can fill that role even better!

POKEMON>METROID LAWL

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Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL
SquallidSnake | Posted 7/1/2006 10:53:36 PM | message detail | #093
No, if we wanted outlandish predictions, we would've kept Inviso and Vlado.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/1/2006 10:54:14 PM | message detail | #094
LAWL DEVIL MAY CRY WITH LIEK 58 PERCENT

LAWL ELDER SCROLLS GETS TEH RECOGNIZABLE BOXORT AND WILL BREAK 45 ON RESIDENT EVIL

LAWL MNM IS GETTING A PALM TREE TO THE FACE TONIGHT
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 7/1/2006 10:57:53 PM | message detail | #095
I meant next contest....

I would like to request a analysis crew spot for the next contest, please...

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/2/2006 12:08:41 AM | message detail | #096
Also let me say how absolutely thrilled I am that Inviso and Vlado are dumped. Now this crew can be more about analysing the contest and less about bashing popular games.


TuRtLe
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/2/2006 12:10:03 AM | message detail | #097
Well, this crew stays the same for the Character Contest with no new additions, so it'll have to be at least 2007.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 7/2/2006 1:57:58 AM | message detail | #098
Looks like we're setting records for length now, but that may just be due to the contest itself. It seems a lot easier to write about an entire series than one character.

Yes, this post is completely out of the blue.
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WaterMario222 | Posted 7/2/2006 2:17:07 AM | message detail | #099
tag
Dilated Chemist | Posted 7/2/2006 7:29:33 AM | message detail | #100
LeonhartForever
Posted 7/1/2006 2:33:25 PM
message detail On the contrary, yours is way too high. Civilization is NOT a bottom feeder series, like everyone seems to think.


DC - 1
Leon - 0

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